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DD (15) can't keep her hands to herself

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Sarissima · 12/01/2020 22:40

DD is 15 (16 in summer - Year 11).

I think this might take a lot of careful unscrambling, but am posting to see if anyone has any ideas which might help.

XH and I separated four years ago (due to his failure to curb his anger) and are now on amicable terms. DD and DS (17) come and go between our houses as they choose, at their request. I have got some major financial/job problems, but everything else is pretty stable now, and has been for some time.

About three years ago, though, DD started taking things from us both. Mostly trivial stuff - my decent anti-ageing cream (confused), shampoo, conditioner, chocolate. But also money (she took a very large amount from XH). And even when it's just trivial stuff, the cumulative effect is horrible (I go to get my hand cream - and it isn't there. I go to put my socks on - and they've gone. Etc). We have both spoken to her about it, repeatedly - to no avail. She simply goes into my room and helps herself to whatever she wants. Clothes, underwear (and we are four dress sizes apart) - you name it, she helps herself to it. I found one item of clothing in her bedroom, cut up (I was upset about this, as it was a present from my mum). I asked her why on earth she did it, and she said she tried it on and couldn't get it off again, so had to cut herself out of it.

I put a Yale lock on my bedroom door, but she found the key (she must have launched a sodding forensic search of the house) and had one cut for herself.

I feel as if my world is gradually shrinking as I daren't leave her in the house on her own. If I do, something is invariably missing when I get back. XH says the same. I bought something minor for DS the other day. She asked who it was for, and I said it was for him. When I went back in the kitchen, she had taken it.

I have absolutely no idea how to deal with this. I feel very cross with her. But I also feel very hurt, and frightened that she can't see why it's wrong to take things that belong to other people. She just laughs and shrugs and tells me to chill out. Is she right?

I have no idea if it's divorce-related, or if it's related in some way to her having had to suffer XH being an angry twunt for such a long time, or if I'm just being feeble (though she's always saying I'm too strict). She has a small allowance, because that's what I can afford to give her - though she is permanently angry with me about that, because all her friends have far more (this is true). That said, she is far more privileged than other people we know.

Has anyone else had this, and how did they deal with it?

OP posts:
Srictlybakeoff · 13/01/2020 07:54

www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/FFF-Guide/Children-Who-Steal-012.aspx
There are articles about why adolescents steal. She has had some difficult things to deal with, and I’m sure it will be a reaction to her struggling to deal with with this emotionally. She probable doesn’t understand why she does it.
There is advice about how to try to manage it. Please don’t call the police. It’s a complicated situation

AJPTaylor · 13/01/2020 07:57

Dd2 was like this. As an adult diagnosed with adhd which has impulsive behaviour. She is a responsible adult with no tendency for theft.

minesagin37 · 13/01/2020 07:58

My DD (20) does this when she comes home and does not take it seriously when we ask her to stop. She wanted to stay in the house when we went away for summer and we all just said NO! She will have to learn that actions have consequences.

mummyway · 13/01/2020 07:58

Sorry to say but your daughter is behaving in a disgusting way. I would suggest a combination lock on your door so there is no key to copy.
And start punishing her for this disrespect and theft. You have been and are being far too soft.

Funkycats · 13/01/2020 08:02

I would make an appt to see a gp for yourself first, explain the situation and see what they suggest.

Sarissima · 13/01/2020 08:02

I'm just on my way to work, but will catch up with all the individual posts properly later (only intermittent internt access during the day). Thank you, all. I should perhaps have said (though was conscious that my OP was already too long) that I got DD a CAMHS appointment about nine months ago, which was no mean feat. She and I went and had a huge initial session, some of it together and some of it separately. She then went to a further appt on her own, but the therapist said DD refused to talk at all. DD then said it was a waste of time, and refused to go back for any more appointments.

Sigh.

I wouldn't call the police. Though I have to say it has crossed my mind when I'm lying awake with it all churning around in my mind. I've also wondered about telling her head of year; I've also thought of saying that I'm going to tell her friends' mums (as I know she would hate this). But when there are any kind of sanctions, she somehow manages to turn herself into the victim, so I have to be careful not to end up putting her in a position where she can feel hard done by.

It's so difficult. It's not even as if I have loads of nice things. I have very, very few - and those that I have, disappear.

OP posts:
Pinkarsedfly · 13/01/2020 08:06

Back to the GP and a big, lockable box. You can keep the key on a chain around your neck, and buy a combination lock too.

She needs help and you have a right to protect your things.

EvaHarknessRose · 13/01/2020 08:07

She needs to address childhood trauma and learn to believe she is safe and loved in relationships. Unfortunately she may not be ready to do this. I would see if she would be willing to talk to gp about it. I would not increase consequences (though don't ignore) but I would try to increase attuned attentive contact with her outside this problem.

BlouseAndSkirt · 13/01/2020 08:18

This sounds very hard, OP.

Was the CAMHS appointment about this problem or something else?

Very frustrating, as it really goes sound as if your Dd’s behaviour is psychological / emotional disturbance rather than ‘criminal bad behaviour’.

I not tell her friend’sMums / neighbour etc, it is too much to expect them to handle this.

Can you talk to the school about possible ASD? Ask if they can point you to an assessment.

She may have anger issues like her Dad, and this is the way it comes out.

movingdilemma1234 · 13/01/2020 08:21

Get a code lock fir your door. Place it waist height so she can't see the code if standing behind you. Close your door every single time you leave your bedroom even if popping to the bathroom
Every thing she takes she needs to pay back. So she destroys a dress she owes you £50. No matter how long this takes to pay back and even if it's out of birthday or Christmas money she does it.
I'd also withdraw things like lifts to friends houses, money for the cinema. All the extras that she will be reliant on but aren't necessary to keep her safe

blubelle7 · 13/01/2020 08:22

How old are your DCs? Are they uncomfortable with this? I would have had a tough time verbalising this was an issue for me and made me uncomfortable as tween/teen girl. It's not that innocent, you both need to realise how negative of an impact this may have on DCs

Funkycats · 13/01/2020 08:28

Hmmm, I really feel for you OP. Practically, you can change locks and keep the key. Keep your own stuff as safe as you can.
Try to keep communicating with her as best you can. Loving her and not liking her behaviour can be compatible. Look for the good things about her and try to reinforce those. See if you can get a bit of time together.
It would still be worth getting help for yourself (gp/counselling/psychotherapy)
I wonder if talking to school would help — someone there may be able to find a way in to getting her to talk when you can't.
Best wishes to you Flowers

cdtaylornats · 13/01/2020 08:30

Well people keep telling children to share - this is the natural response.

KnickerBockerAndrew · 13/01/2020 08:32

It sounds from your post that you're very very nice and perhaps not angry enough. You don't want to tell the neighbour because DD will be angry at you for telling. You haven't told your mother or the school. She still has the extra key to your room. She's being allowed to blame it on you and her father, and that is doing her a real disservice.

I'd tell her that when she does it again, you'll have a word with the school. Take no bullshit. Wifi off until you get your key back. You have a parental responsibility to sort out this entitled attitude.

Thinkingabout1t · 13/01/2020 08:38

OP, she needs help. Can her GP get her into counselling?

Thinkingabout1t · 13/01/2020 08:41

Sorry, didn't see your update about CAMHS. I agree you should keep your room locked and ensure she can't get the key/code. I think it's worth trying at school - is there a particular teacher she trusts?

Amaretto · 13/01/2020 08:41

Actually I wouod say it’s a MH issue and she needs help.
Could you get together with your ex and organise for her to have some counselling privately? CAMHS and the GP way shouLd be the right way but you might end up waiting for a very long time.

AGirlHasNoCake · 13/01/2020 08:41

buy a fingerprint lock like this so that you dont need to have keys.

Buy a safe to stash valuables in overnight. Get XH to do the same so that you are singing from the same hymn sheet.

We have been there, done that. DS stole an incredible amount of things from us. Culminating in taking the car joyriding and stealing my very expensive camera that DH bought me for Christmas. This behaviour will escalate.

Eventually he settled down, but the trust is gone for us and I dont think I will ever trust him again. That's the natural consequence of her behaviour, that you will never leave your door open again, so she can never borrow anything from you again.

An additional logical consequence is that you have to replace the items that she has taken, and buy a new lock, so there is no extra money for eg movies or pocket money or treats, or phone contracts this month.

Amaretto · 13/01/2020 08:43

Sorry missed your update Blush.

If she is refusing to participate in counselling, then she needs to be made VERY aware of the risk she is taking. Because stealing from your mum or dad is one thing, but stealing from anyone else is another. I would be worried she has started shoplifting for example....

DuMondeB · 13/01/2020 08:44

How do you react to the behaviour?

I’ve known a girl who behaved like this. She was in the foster system. She was a) testing her foster mother (checking she was truly safe to be around) and b) struggling to process her own emotions anD watching her foster mum be emotional (sadness, anger etc) was a way of learning emotional responses.

Not saying that your daughter‘s situation is definitely the same but perhaps something to explore? She may be more traumatised by your exes anger than anyone realises.

Amaretto · 13/01/2020 08:46

I quite like @AGirlHasNoCake answer to that.
But I would also involve your ds in it. I imagine he has had similar issues (or is it just you?). And if you start removing anything that coud take her fancy, the house might end up looking quite bland

Janualla · 13/01/2020 08:46

Sorry OP I have no answers. I think the main reason she is doing this is because her friends have more allowance than she does so she feels entitled to make up the the shortfall.

SoupDragon · 13/01/2020 08:48

Well people keep telling children to share - this is the natural response.

No it isn't 🙄

DKmamma · 13/01/2020 08:50

Presumably she has nice things of her own? Things that she values?

If not then that's the issue, but if so then could you try a bit of tit for tat.... Help yourself to her makeup or take some of her clothes in retaliation (even if you don't want to) just to prove a point and make her realise how it feels? x

SoupDragon · 13/01/2020 08:51

Have you asked her why she steals things? I've read back and can't see if you've have a serious talk with her about it.

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