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DS14 punched gentle DH in chest/face multiple times. Now vanished.

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WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 17:20

DS14 was being horrible to DS10 at xbox swap over time (ie DS10's turn came to an end and it was DS14's turn. This was 1pm today). DS14 was rude, taunting and generally horrible to his brother, in a way DS10 would not do if reversed.

DH went to talk to DS14 as this was happening. DS14 continued to be horrible. DH told DS14 to go to his room to calm down (Xbox is not in bedroom but is in family area upstairs), reflect and apologise before he could go on Xbox. They were standing outside of his bedroom but DS14 refused point-blank to go in.

Stand off continued. DS14's phone taken from him. Stand off continued along the lines of:

"You have lost 1h of xbox time, if you don't go in your room before I count to 5 you will lose 1h of phone time in addition.
(After count to 5)
You have lost 1h of phone & xbox, it becomes 2h if you don't go in your room before 5

Etc etc

Stand off continued and was getting nowhere so it reached the point where it was obvious this tactic was not working.

I want to add at this point that DH is the most non-confrontational person ever and is never, ever aggressive. He was calm and low-voiced throughout. But DS14 was becoming increasingly aggressive and 'squaring up' to get past DH and not go in his room. It became important to de-escalate quickly because DS14 was getting scary.

DH tried to march DS14 into his room by holding his two wrists and walking towards bedroom with him. This evidently was the wrong thing to do and we can reflect on this another day. But the result was DS pulling his arms away and throwing punches at DH.

Raining punches at DH's chest, this was the point I became involved (I was in the shower throughout all previous, could hear but knew DH is a capable parent. From this point onwards I am wrapped in a towel with wet hair...). I hear the cuffuffle and as I come out of the bathroom I see DS14 throw 2 punches at DH's face while DH tries and fails to get hold of DS's arms/hands to stop the attack.

Now in DS's room. DH holds DSs chest against the wall, which allows me to get hold of both of DSs wrists. We are trying to stop his violence and help him calm down. We are trying our best in a situation we've never known before. As you can imagine, this is a really, really stressful and dreadful situation to find ourselves in. DH and I wait maybe 90 seconds holding DS as he is throthing (literally) at the mouth to, well I don't know, attack us?

I continue to hold DSs wrists and tell DH to leave room. Then I swiftly follow, close door and tell DS he needs to CALM DOWN. DS punches (and damages) door and breaks his alarm clock (I don't know how, I was holding door closed).

DH, having caught his breath and had a few mins to check our other children are OK and not scared, is now furious. In explaining to me what happened he raises his voice for the first time (something DH very, rarely does - he's a quiet discussion kind of guy). This passes a strong message to DS, who knows how rarely DH loses his rag. DH spelled it out to me what DS had done (he physically punched me about 20 times! How I didn't retaliate , i don't know- he was battering me!) and that, a long with DHs tone of voice very quickly quietened DS behind his closed door.

I sent DH downstairs and out the way. DS silent. I opened door (mistake - I should have left him longer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing). DS is like a bull facing down a mattadore. In a very angry voice he says he want to get out.

I think he means of his room. I say no, must stay in room to calm down. He squares up to me, I think he's going to hit me . He says her not staying in here, her going and DH calls from downstairs that leaving the house might be a good idea. I agree since he's trashed his room and seems still very angry.

DS14 leaves the house. This is around 1.30-1 40pm today. DH throws his trainers out of the door as he leaves, because he's barefoot.

So that's where we are. DS has not come home. We've phoned our local family members in case he turns up at theirs and his best mates parents. He has no phone or money. Dinner is always 5.30pm

I'm starting to worry. How long should I leave him to brood before I go look for him?

Should I be out there now? Am I a bad parent for not? I feel ok to wait until usual dinner time (5.30) because that's his normal time to be in when he's out with friends. But don't know how long after that to wait? His night time curfue is 9-9.30pm in school hols, depending where he is. Should I wait until then?

I'm soooooo cross with him. Like big, big style angry for his behaviour to his Dad. But of course I'm also worried for his safety given I don't know where he is. I don't want my worry to lessen his consequences for physically assaulting another. But the worry is overtaking now. What if he's so sorrowful that he has... oh god. What if he's hurt?

What should I do???????

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AnneLovesGilbert · 28/10/2019 21:43

Sounds like you’ve made progress tonight OP, well done. I hope tomorrow brings productive discussions and peace being returned to your home.

franklyshankly2 · 28/10/2019 21:46

It doesn’t sound like what he was doing to his little brother was THAT bad

PreseaCombatir · 28/10/2019 21:56

That sounds like it went well then OP, that’s good.
I’m not defending the DS, at all, as he behaved appallingly, but I’d just ask the posters who are labelling him ‘little shit’ or whatever to imagine being in a rage with someone (whether justified or not) and then being physically frogmarched or whatever. I’m not surprised he was angry and upset. I’m not saying punching anyone is the right way to react of course! I can imagine how upsetting and distressing that must have been for DH. He messed up and made the situation worse, we’ve all been there. You live and learn.
But in terms of raising children/teens, it’s a difficult line to tread. People complain parents are too soft on kids these days, but a lot of people are like this in response to have disciplinarian parents, and not wanting to inflict that on the next generation.

I think making him decide a suitable his own punishment is a good trick, it makes him accountable, but also allows him a degree of control.

Iflyaway · 28/10/2019 22:14

tell us tomorrow what he thinks his consequences should be.

That's where you are wrong.

You are ADULTS but expect a 14-year-old to tell you this?

Poor child. You are giving up your parental power to a child.

Teenager, but a child still, My God, 14 is way too young to make adult decisions!
Be gentle, be loving, but let him know who is the adult here. Or you 10-year-old will follow in his foot-steps.

AppleKatie · 28/10/2019 22:21

I would ask him too with the caveat you gave about not necessarily agreeing with him. It’s a valuable tool in assessing how he feels about what he did and whether or not he is taking responsibility for himself. He’s 14 not 4!

I agree OP that you and DH didn’t handle it brilliantly but some people on here are really enjoying sticking the boot in and your DH clearly acted out of shock and a desire to do the right thing not aggression or vindictiveness.

Sounds like things are going in the right direction now. Glad he’s home and all’s calm for the night.

KatyCarrCan · 28/10/2019 22:24

It's about ownership Iflyaway and actually suggested by many parenting experts. Often DCs will suggest a harsher punishment that the parent would expect. It allows the DCs to show whether or not they understand the severity of what they've done. Ultimately the decision isn't the DCs. It's the start of the conversation.

Reallybadidea · 28/10/2019 22:25

Oh come on I flyaway, that's blatantly selective quoting. The OP went on to say We have said we may not agree and we will consider the same and we will make the final decision tomorrow.

She's not "handing parental power to a child". Getting a teenager to consider what they think is an appropriate punishment is a totally normal and IME effective way of disciplining. Very often they're more harsh on themselves than necessary.

DishingOutDone · 28/10/2019 22:25

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AppleKatie · 28/10/2019 22:32

Oh leave it out Dishing. Stop kicking the OP for no good reason.

mamandematribu · 28/10/2019 22:42

Wow
If that were my ds I would not allow him back into my house. That's unacceptable behaviour.

PreseaCombatir · 28/10/2019 22:46

If that were my ds I would not allow him back into my house. That's unacceptable behaviour.
I don’t think making a fourteen year old homeless is any better than what he did...
I certainly wouldn’t consider it ‘acceptable behaviour’ either, but each to their own...

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 28/10/2019 22:51

That's where you are wrong.

You are ADULTS but expect a 14-year-old to tell you this?

Poor child. You are giving up your parental power to a child.

Totally wrong.

It’s a very effective technique. I’m beyond tired right now so I can’t articulate why and how it isn’t good but trust me, it is.

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 28/10/2019 22:52

is good.

cauliflowersqueeze · 28/10/2019 22:57

I think you did really well.

And it’s fine to ask what he thinks the consequence should be. You’ve put in the caveat and you might find he’s harder on himself than you would be.

Well done OP. You’ve rescued it all.

Teachermaths · 28/10/2019 23:02

Dishing you're offering nothing constructive and just kicking the OP. Her idea to get him to suggest the punishment shows how bad he thinks the incident is. It also means OP can probably offer a reduced punishment and continue to repair the relationship with her son.

At school I often ask students "what is your punishment going to.be?" and they answer because they know the behaviour system and what to expect. This is totally normal.

pallisers · 28/10/2019 23:36

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mamandematribu · 28/10/2019 23:46

@pallisers dr Phil is that you?

mamandematribu · 28/10/2019 23:47

I would expect a 14 year old to show a good example to younger siblings.

cherryblossomgin · 28/10/2019 23:57

Just wanted to add it takes about 90 minutes for someone to properly calm down so if something similar happens wait. Something to do with adrenaline levels.

Drabarni · 29/10/2019 00:00

OP, my saying is kids don't come with manuals. I'm glad your dh apologised, just because he is the grown up and did handle it badly, but we live and learn.
I don't know any perfect parents.
I did just have a little giggle about your comment about raising a dd easier than ds.
Mine is the opposite, more trouble and grief from dd than both ds put together.
From your update it does sound like your ds1 has a problem with younger ds, but siblings can be awful to each other. I knew twins that fought so intensely they both ended up in A&E, as neither would back down, they are really close.
I'm sure your ds will grow up to be lovely, they can be little horrors at this age.

pallisers · 29/10/2019 02:17

@postermamandematribu Who is Dr Phil?

But if you seriously believe that a 14 year old should be barred from his home because he squared up to his dad in a very emotional and contentious situation and if Dr Phil thinks that makes you a shit parent - then, yes, I am Dr. Phil.

midsummabreak · 29/10/2019 02:52

Well done WaffleWiffle Flowers , your teen is learning a great deal here through you and Dh being honest and thoughtful enough to reflect and discuss where things went wrong on both sides. Ds may take years yet to carry out similar mature reflection on his own mistakes, yet he is calm , now, and wanting to show you he can behave better im sure he is glad to move on from being out of control, and 'losing his temper
Though he will unlikely admit it, he is very lucky to have such fantastic parents who see him through the bad times and convey how to conduct oneself as an adult when things go wrong.

1forAll74 · 29/10/2019 03:20

I think that your Husband, and yourself,did the right things in trying to get your son to calm down. Your son reacted as he did, because some
stroppy angry teenagers,don't like being told what to do, and in this case,lash out at anything and everything in their moments of anger, and all thoughts of it even being a parent,go out of their minds completely.

I don't know anything about X BOX stuff and gaming,but they seem to sometimes cause a lot of problems with the young people. Thankfully they were not around when my children were teenagers.

Pixxie7 · 29/10/2019 03:24

At 14 he is well above the age of responsibility and if he had done this to anyone else he could have been arrested and charged (life ruined). I think I would consider getting a policeman to talk to him.
Sounds harsh but next time it could be far more serious.

Pixxie7 · 29/10/2019 03:48

I notice a lot of po are saying the husband assaulted the son he nearly tried to remove him from the room, how is this assault?
I am sure the police would not see it that way.
I reminds me of an infant teacher I know who grabbed hold of a child to stop her running into the road. The parents tried to claim assault. What did they expect her to do let the child get run over?
It’s ridiculous, are we now saying that if a parent grabs a child they are assaulting them?