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DS14 punched gentle DH in chest/face multiple times. Now vanished.

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WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 17:20

DS14 was being horrible to DS10 at xbox swap over time (ie DS10's turn came to an end and it was DS14's turn. This was 1pm today). DS14 was rude, taunting and generally horrible to his brother, in a way DS10 would not do if reversed.

DH went to talk to DS14 as this was happening. DS14 continued to be horrible. DH told DS14 to go to his room to calm down (Xbox is not in bedroom but is in family area upstairs), reflect and apologise before he could go on Xbox. They were standing outside of his bedroom but DS14 refused point-blank to go in.

Stand off continued. DS14's phone taken from him. Stand off continued along the lines of:

"You have lost 1h of xbox time, if you don't go in your room before I count to 5 you will lose 1h of phone time in addition.
(After count to 5)
You have lost 1h of phone & xbox, it becomes 2h if you don't go in your room before 5

Etc etc

Stand off continued and was getting nowhere so it reached the point where it was obvious this tactic was not working.

I want to add at this point that DH is the most non-confrontational person ever and is never, ever aggressive. He was calm and low-voiced throughout. But DS14 was becoming increasingly aggressive and 'squaring up' to get past DH and not go in his room. It became important to de-escalate quickly because DS14 was getting scary.

DH tried to march DS14 into his room by holding his two wrists and walking towards bedroom with him. This evidently was the wrong thing to do and we can reflect on this another day. But the result was DS pulling his arms away and throwing punches at DH.

Raining punches at DH's chest, this was the point I became involved (I was in the shower throughout all previous, could hear but knew DH is a capable parent. From this point onwards I am wrapped in a towel with wet hair...). I hear the cuffuffle and as I come out of the bathroom I see DS14 throw 2 punches at DH's face while DH tries and fails to get hold of DS's arms/hands to stop the attack.

Now in DS's room. DH holds DSs chest against the wall, which allows me to get hold of both of DSs wrists. We are trying to stop his violence and help him calm down. We are trying our best in a situation we've never known before. As you can imagine, this is a really, really stressful and dreadful situation to find ourselves in. DH and I wait maybe 90 seconds holding DS as he is throthing (literally) at the mouth to, well I don't know, attack us?

I continue to hold DSs wrists and tell DH to leave room. Then I swiftly follow, close door and tell DS he needs to CALM DOWN. DS punches (and damages) door and breaks his alarm clock (I don't know how, I was holding door closed).

DH, having caught his breath and had a few mins to check our other children are OK and not scared, is now furious. In explaining to me what happened he raises his voice for the first time (something DH very, rarely does - he's a quiet discussion kind of guy). This passes a strong message to DS, who knows how rarely DH loses his rag. DH spelled it out to me what DS had done (he physically punched me about 20 times! How I didn't retaliate , i don't know- he was battering me!) and that, a long with DHs tone of voice very quickly quietened DS behind his closed door.

I sent DH downstairs and out the way. DS silent. I opened door (mistake - I should have left him longer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing). DS is like a bull facing down a mattadore. In a very angry voice he says he want to get out.

I think he means of his room. I say no, must stay in room to calm down. He squares up to me, I think he's going to hit me . He says her not staying in here, her going and DH calls from downstairs that leaving the house might be a good idea. I agree since he's trashed his room and seems still very angry.

DS14 leaves the house. This is around 1.30-1 40pm today. DH throws his trainers out of the door as he leaves, because he's barefoot.

So that's where we are. DS has not come home. We've phoned our local family members in case he turns up at theirs and his best mates parents. He has no phone or money. Dinner is always 5.30pm

I'm starting to worry. How long should I leave him to brood before I go look for him?

Should I be out there now? Am I a bad parent for not? I feel ok to wait until usual dinner time (5.30) because that's his normal time to be in when he's out with friends. But don't know how long after that to wait? His night time curfue is 9-9.30pm in school hols, depending where he is. Should I wait until then?

I'm soooooo cross with him. Like big, big style angry for his behaviour to his Dad. But of course I'm also worried for his safety given I don't know where he is. I don't want my worry to lessen his consequences for physically assaulting another. But the worry is overtaking now. What if he's so sorrowful that he has... oh god. What if he's hurt?

What should I do???????

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OhDeari · 28/10/2019 20:24

It's also worth bearing in mind OP that most posters who have discussed your police suggestion have stated that they believe your husband initiated the assault and that your son acted in defence. Think about that. Like really............ think about that.
The only thing your son should be punished for is for goading his little brother (hardly the fucking crime of the century) and I believe that is the only thing he should be punished for.

TricklBOO · 28/10/2019 20:25

Your son is still 'a child' so he can hit you, your DH or his brother and there's little you can do about it.

So if my taller, stronger DS decides to start whaling on me for not getting his own way I should just curl up in a ball and take it because he's a 'child'?

BigFatLiar · 28/10/2019 20:31

If DS14 is horrible to his brother and likely to become violent when challenged about it you DH's first action surely should be to get DS10 to a place of safety in case he directs the violence against him. DS10 shouldn't have to live in a place where he's bullied and faces violence.

Try and find out why he gets so angry, but really there's not a lot you can do about it. Buy cheap stuff that you don't mind if it gets trashed and hope he grows out of it. Hope DS10 doesn't go the same way.

BigFatLiar · 28/10/2019 20:33

So if my taller, stronger DS decides to start whaling on me for not getting his own way I should just curl up in a ball and take it because he's a 'child'?

Well what you going to do about it if you can't physically restrain him? It seems you're a bad person if you try.

RolytheRhino · 28/10/2019 20:37

At 10 and 14 they are going to have words, it may even get physical, leave them to it they are squabbling kids

A 14 year old against a 10 year old is not a fair fight. You're basically just giving the older a green light to beat up the younger, which isn't on.

OhDeari · 28/10/2019 20:43

The kids weren't fighting physically - the older ds was goading the younger one because he was eating into 'his x box time'.

OhDeari · 28/10/2019 20:49

A 14 year old against a 10 year old is not a fair fight. You're basically just giving the older a green light to beat up the younger, which isn't on.

They WERE NOT FIGHTING. No violence until Dad intervened.

RolytheRhino · 28/10/2019 20:53

They WERE NOT FIGHTING. No violence until Dad intervened.

I know. I was responding to a PP who advised 'leaving them to it' if they 'got physical'. As the quote before my response should have indicated to you.

Wtfdoipick · 28/10/2019 20:56

the older ds was goading the younger one because he was eating into 'his x box time'.

Where did the op confirm that happened. for all we know the ds1 was making fun of ds2 because he had to give up on his game during an important bit.

OhDeari · 28/10/2019 20:57

Isn't that what siblings do? Bug the shit out of each other?

OhDeari · 28/10/2019 20:59

Her opening paragraph dear.............

DS14 was being horrible to DS10 at xbox swap over time (ie DS10's turn came to an end and it was DS14's turn. This was 1pm today). DS14 was rude, taunting and generally horrible to his brother, in a way DS10 would not do if reversed.

MintyMabel · 28/10/2019 21:01

l am talking to you from the green zone, why are you shouting at me from the red zone ?

I like this. Will definitely keep that one up my sleeve.

DH and I, but in particularly DH, are totally non aggressive. "Soft" as it were. DH had no clue how to respond to violence. He has never - literally ever - faced violence from anyone

He tried to physically manhandle your grown son into his room. That isn’t non aggressive.

He went from treating your son like a toddler (I’m going to count...) to treating him like a threat. As strange as it was for your DH to get that reaction, I can see how your son turned it into a physical fight.

He does lots of sport. Tall, no fat on him, very strong, lean and muscley.

What kind of sport? The kind where kids can be offered “supplements”? You say you know the signs, but remember, this may well be the first sign. Sounds very similar to a boyfriend I had when I was a teen. Swore blind he was only taking herbal supplements.

TricklBOO · 28/10/2019 21:09

The opening paragraph doesn't confirm DS2 wasn't handing over the controller or eating into DS1's time.

HeyNotInMyName · 28/10/2019 21:10

So if my taller, stronger DS decides to start whaling on me for not getting his own way I should just curl up in a ball and take it because he's a 'child'?

If you starts hitting someone after they’ve hit you, you are acting in self defence. Child (or rather teenager) or not.
If you are starting to restraint a child/teenager wo any other reason than they are trying to get past you, then it’s assault. It doesn’t matter if they are trying get their own way. Restraining someone can be dangerous (thats why you have courses for that) and can certainly result in injuries. I don’t think risking to hurt your child is worth ‘them not. Getting away with it’

RolytheRhino · 28/10/2019 21:12

Her opening paragraph dear.............

DS14 was being horrible to DS10 at xbox swap over time (ie DS10's turn came to an end and it was DS14's turn. This was 1pm today). DS14 was rude, taunting and generally horrible to his brother, in a way DS10 would not do if reversed.

I know, dear. I can read. I was responding to a previous poster, not the OP. As I've already explained.

TricklBOO · 28/10/2019 21:14

I wasn't referring to you @RolytheRhino dear. I was referring to OhDeari

Wtfdoipick · 28/10/2019 21:15

RolytheRhino that post was aimed at me however I still want to know where the op confirms that ds2 didn't hand over the controller because it doesn't state that it is only people reading between the lines

scousadelic · 28/10/2019 21:16

Always remember the MN rule: No matter how badly and aggressively a teen behaves, it is always the DH's fault! Only a matter of time till they tell you to leave the bastard! Grin
I don't know what the solution is here OP but you sound like sensible, kind parents who will find a way through where some posters on here make me despair

BigFatLiar · 28/10/2019 21:20

So if my taller, stronger DS decides to start whaling on me for not getting his own way I should just curl up in a ball and take it because he's a 'child'?

^If you starts hitting someone after they’ve hit you, you are acting in self defence. Child (or rather teenager) or not.
If you are starting to restraint a child/teenager wo any other reason than they are trying to get past you, then it’s assault. It doesn’t matter if they are trying get their own way. Restraining someone can be dangerous (thats why you have courses for that) and can certainly result in injuries. I don’t think risking to hurt your child is worth ‘them not. Getting away with it’^

So that's a yes then you just take it.

RolytheRhino · 28/10/2019 21:27

I wasn't referring to you @RolytheRhino dear. I was referring to OhDeari

So was I... Confused

TricklBOO · 28/10/2019 21:28

Ah okay. It's getting confusing now. I'm sorry @RolytheRhino. Totally fudged up there.

Drabarni · 28/10/2019 21:28

Your husband is the one in the wrong, your ds1 is a child, maybe full of hormones and of course still learning and navigating through life.
Wtf is your dh excuse, I'd be worried that dh is still angry and not worried for his son tbh.
Sounds like he needs some counselling or parenting classes.

RolytheRhino · 28/10/2019 21:31

That's ok @TrickIBOO Smile

WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 21:34

He came home at 8pm.

We sat together and talked. DS mostly didn't want to talk - in the way lots of teenage boys don't. We have asked him to reflect overnight and we will talk again in the morning.

We have asked DS consider tonight and tell us tomorrow what he thinks his consequences should be. We have said we may not agree and we will consider the same and we will make the final decision tomorrow.

No one doubts DH handled it badly. DS explained how being manhandelled made him feel. DH explained he feels ashamed about doing this and apologised. We discussed together several alternate ways it could have been better dealt with next time. DS much less keen to do any reflections on his own behaviour. But that will come.

Regarding some of the questions here:

DS was on social media using his mates phone. DD (who knew about the row at home) contacted her brother via Snapchat on his mates phone.

The row happened as DS10's turn on Xbox was just coming to an end. We had just said (and all agreed!) that DS10 should finish the FIFA game he was on, then it was DS14's turn. DS14 was not hassling DS20 off the Xbox, he was just being horrible while waiting for his game to start.

It's not really relevant, but DS14 was cheering on DS10's opponent on FIFA, laughing st him when he mis-kicked, cheering when the other team scored to level the score. DH (hearing this) told DS14 to be nice, leave DS10 alone as he finished his turn rather than taunting him. Then DS10's opponent scored in the last minute causing DS10 to lose the game and DS14 make a big deal of this, laughing at and being horrid to his younger brother, causing him to cry. So DH called out DS14 and told him to apologise for being horrid before he started his turn. So DS10 wasn't taking DS14's time. He was finishing his turn, which ended at the end of his game. DS14 was being a dick while he waited.

Can't think what else has been asked? Yes, we know we did not give a shining example of parenting a teen today. Parenting DD through the teenage years was much easier!! We live and learn and always try our best though. We won't physically intervene ever again, you live and learn.

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mummymayhem18 · 28/10/2019 21:34

I bet he appears rather sheepish when he gets home.