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DS14 punched gentle DH in chest/face multiple times. Now vanished.

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WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 17:20

DS14 was being horrible to DS10 at xbox swap over time (ie DS10's turn came to an end and it was DS14's turn. This was 1pm today). DS14 was rude, taunting and generally horrible to his brother, in a way DS10 would not do if reversed.

DH went to talk to DS14 as this was happening. DS14 continued to be horrible. DH told DS14 to go to his room to calm down (Xbox is not in bedroom but is in family area upstairs), reflect and apologise before he could go on Xbox. They were standing outside of his bedroom but DS14 refused point-blank to go in.

Stand off continued. DS14's phone taken from him. Stand off continued along the lines of:

"You have lost 1h of xbox time, if you don't go in your room before I count to 5 you will lose 1h of phone time in addition.
(After count to 5)
You have lost 1h of phone & xbox, it becomes 2h if you don't go in your room before 5

Etc etc

Stand off continued and was getting nowhere so it reached the point where it was obvious this tactic was not working.

I want to add at this point that DH is the most non-confrontational person ever and is never, ever aggressive. He was calm and low-voiced throughout. But DS14 was becoming increasingly aggressive and 'squaring up' to get past DH and not go in his room. It became important to de-escalate quickly because DS14 was getting scary.

DH tried to march DS14 into his room by holding his two wrists and walking towards bedroom with him. This evidently was the wrong thing to do and we can reflect on this another day. But the result was DS pulling his arms away and throwing punches at DH.

Raining punches at DH's chest, this was the point I became involved (I was in the shower throughout all previous, could hear but knew DH is a capable parent. From this point onwards I am wrapped in a towel with wet hair...). I hear the cuffuffle and as I come out of the bathroom I see DS14 throw 2 punches at DH's face while DH tries and fails to get hold of DS's arms/hands to stop the attack.

Now in DS's room. DH holds DSs chest against the wall, which allows me to get hold of both of DSs wrists. We are trying to stop his violence and help him calm down. We are trying our best in a situation we've never known before. As you can imagine, this is a really, really stressful and dreadful situation to find ourselves in. DH and I wait maybe 90 seconds holding DS as he is throthing (literally) at the mouth to, well I don't know, attack us?

I continue to hold DSs wrists and tell DH to leave room. Then I swiftly follow, close door and tell DS he needs to CALM DOWN. DS punches (and damages) door and breaks his alarm clock (I don't know how, I was holding door closed).

DH, having caught his breath and had a few mins to check our other children are OK and not scared, is now furious. In explaining to me what happened he raises his voice for the first time (something DH very, rarely does - he's a quiet discussion kind of guy). This passes a strong message to DS, who knows how rarely DH loses his rag. DH spelled it out to me what DS had done (he physically punched me about 20 times! How I didn't retaliate , i don't know- he was battering me!) and that, a long with DHs tone of voice very quickly quietened DS behind his closed door.

I sent DH downstairs and out the way. DS silent. I opened door (mistake - I should have left him longer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing). DS is like a bull facing down a mattadore. In a very angry voice he says he want to get out.

I think he means of his room. I say no, must stay in room to calm down. He squares up to me, I think he's going to hit me . He says her not staying in here, her going and DH calls from downstairs that leaving the house might be a good idea. I agree since he's trashed his room and seems still very angry.

DS14 leaves the house. This is around 1.30-1 40pm today. DH throws his trainers out of the door as he leaves, because he's barefoot.

So that's where we are. DS has not come home. We've phoned our local family members in case he turns up at theirs and his best mates parents. He has no phone or money. Dinner is always 5.30pm

I'm starting to worry. How long should I leave him to brood before I go look for him?

Should I be out there now? Am I a bad parent for not? I feel ok to wait until usual dinner time (5.30) because that's his normal time to be in when he's out with friends. But don't know how long after that to wait? His night time curfue is 9-9.30pm in school hols, depending where he is. Should I wait until then?

I'm soooooo cross with him. Like big, big style angry for his behaviour to his Dad. But of course I'm also worried for his safety given I don't know where he is. I don't want my worry to lessen his consequences for physically assaulting another. But the worry is overtaking now. What if he's so sorrowful that he has... oh god. What if he's hurt?

What should I do???????

OP posts:
Smilebehappy123 · 28/10/2019 18:04

Chickney chick his fucking xbox would of been launched out the window if it wasn't for the fact it's his brothers also
Is this how bad society is now that OP has to pussy foot around a 14 year old playing a game ? Is his violence excusable because of this ?? What message does this give the 14 year old , what I'f his partner at a later age dares to interupt his game ? Will she get a good hiding also ??
Wow just wow at that response, I agree go and find the lad and make sure he safe but christ I cant even imagine if I'd done that to my parents they would of pasted me
He would be banned off the xbox if he was my child, OP is this the only trigger for his behaviour or do other things set him off also ? A dangerous adult in the making here if you dont get a grip , it's your house you are in charge assert your authority immediately

Jizelle · 28/10/2019 18:04

Just make him aware that if it happens ever again, you will pack his bags yourself

That's insane - of course you won't, it's illegal to begin with and a horrific idea to make your own child of 14 homeless even if it were legal.

OP, when your child is home you should look into family therapy - this is a really unhealthy dynamic. Not outside the realm of normal and doesn't mean you're bad parents, but this is beyond making a different rule about xbox time. This could be the start of a very bad path for your family if this isn't handled well.

PreseaCombatir · 28/10/2019 18:08

He was squaring up to the DH, and then the DH tried to grab and frogmarch him, that was never going to end well, or deescalate the issue. Hindsight is 20-20 though, and as parents we’ve all done things that we regret after. The issue is the attitude and anger issues. I’d bet that he does feel embarrassed and ashamed, however unfortunately a lot of people then deflect and become more aggressive because of that.
I agree with a pp, when he gets back you need to just talk about what’s going to happen going forward, there’s no need to go on about what happened, or who did what, everyone’s was there and knows what happened. Just say what are we going to do, because that cannot happen again

Breathlessness · 28/10/2019 18:10

I hope he turns up soon.

Your DH actually set up a confrontation and was the first to use force. You know that your DS is having outbursts. You both need to read up on deescalation techniques.

Smilebehappy123 · 28/10/2019 18:11

Sounds like he has two good loving parents to me and a dad that doesn't lose him temper often obviously pushed to the edge
What 14 year old squares up to their dad and thinks this is acceptable.? Not a fucking chance little.boy , grounded , no phone , xbox and made to apologise to the whole family , he will walk all.over you if you let this carry on

Smilebehappy123 · 28/10/2019 18:12

I honestly cant believe the people on this thread blaming the parents for this. this is why we have a society of little shits

MonsterMashedSpud · 28/10/2019 18:15

Years ago (pre online gaming) kids could just save their game and let someone else have a go.

Now you have groups of people doing a campaign to take over a country/capture flags etc and they get mocked by their team mates if they don’t play well or have to leave. These games are so intense and draw kids in.
Quite often someone is streaming/recording it and there’s pressure to do well.

I feel sorry for you and your DH. It’s a horrible situation and I hope your ds gets home soon.

Hairsprayqueeen · 28/10/2019 18:17

Report him missing to the police. Hes a child and could be anywhere realistically especially if you're sure hes not with friends or family. Tell them about the argument as this makes a difference to their concern. Take on the parenting advice on here (not the gaming interruption as that was from people who hadn't read properly) and have a calm discussion when he returns.

NaomiFromMilkShake · 28/10/2019 18:21

DS 18 still a pain in the arse but less so, at 14 iI had been diagnosed with a cancer that required a vicious regime of treatment, so not only was he hormonal, he was angry.

A good friend advised keeping your voice calm, not to get physical ( tempting though it is) and as they rant and rave at you, you just keep saying calmly...

I am talking to you from the green zone, why are you shouting at me from the red zone ?

Just keep repeating eventually they run out of steam.

Sending love.

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 28/10/2019 18:21

Never get into a battle of wills with a teen. Your DH did when he stood insisting DS go to his room instead of just removing the phone and walking away.

Then you both did when you decided to restrain him. You both needed to walk away and let his anger dissipate instead of holding him and giving him something to fight back against.

DontLettuceBrexitLettuceRomain · 28/10/2019 18:25

Sounds like he has two good loving parents to me and a dad that doesn't lose him temper often obviously pushed to the edge

Agree with this. Can believe the shitty attitudes on here.

OP I would go look for him as it make take you a while to find him, so better starting now. Plus it'll be easier for him to come home if you go find him as I imagine he's embarrassed at this point and the easiest way to deal with that is to not.

OhDeari · 28/10/2019 18:26

I agree that you should be treating him a little bit more grown up and not like a naughty toddler.
Is he home yet?

allthegoodusernameshavegone · 28/10/2019 18:28

Smilebehappy123 you are spot on

gamerchick · 28/10/2019 18:29

If you parent him like a toddler, he reacts like a toddler

Pretty much. You need to parent him differently now, he isn't his 10 yr old brother.

Rather than go gung ho down the punishment route when he gets in. Talk to him and ask him what he finds frustrating in the house and give him some adult responsibilities in exchange.

Young stags always need slapping down around that age. They're growing up, they can't be treated like little kids.

gamerchick · 28/10/2019 18:29

And he needs to apologise.

Fortyandfabulous · 28/10/2019 18:31

Oh I feel for you my 13 year old did this a month ago for the first time ever - she has Aspergers and has the occasional meltdown but she has never stormed out the house before. She went missing for three hours, I called the police who were fantastic and completely non judgmental (they will have dealt with this before). They said to me they take missing under 18s very seriously regardless of how long it has been.

We did eventually locate DD who had walked seven miles and got lost. The police gave her a serious bollocking for causing so much work and anxiety. I gave her a cuddle then we debriefed the following day when she was call again.

Quartz2208 · 28/10/2019 18:31

Yes I think your de escalation techniques didn’t instead escalate it massively your dh was physical first and I imagine when furious is actually pretty frightening

You then sent him out 4 hours ago before you act he is scared and frightened with nothing

Please look for him and don’t shout at him when he gets back let him speak first

gamerchick · 28/10/2019 18:33

Actually they both need to apologise to each other.

OhDeari · 28/10/2019 18:34

I recall my dbro getting into fisticuffs with our Dad once too. I'd say he may have been 16? The anger, fury, rage and aggression you see from men (young or old) can be bloody scary. My Dad used to box so was able to fend off any punches (again, a big softie). If they were two hot tempered males, I dread to think what would have happened.

HeyNotInMyName · 28/10/2019 18:36

Honestly? I think the way you are dealing with your ds isn’t working and actually is creating the very best environment for him to react that way.
You have a teen who is confrontational and your way to deal with him to come down on him like a brick (see the removal of the Xbox and then the phone) and the. To get physical to physically force him to do something he is refusing to do.

Serioulsy if I had been at the place of your ds and an adult had tried that with me (first coming down on me and then becoming physical because I was standing my ground) I wouod have exploded too. And I’m pretty sure your calm DH or yourself would have done so too

Rather than assuming he is just a teen, he is being selfish or is ‘pushing your buttons on purpose’ Hmm, what about starting to treat like an adult rather than a toddler. I can promise you he won’t have the need to push back and be confrontational anymore and he might start to listen when he is always threatened by removal of ‘privileges’.

As for what to do now, yes trying to find him might be a good idea. But first, I would have a think about how you are going to approach things. Because if the first thing you do is have ago at him for ‘attacking’ his dad and for him to be obnoxious and clearly in the wrong, you are just going to inflate things again and make things 100x worse.

xraytangocharlie · 28/10/2019 18:37

Quartz if you read the first post, you will notice that actually the OP says that the dc was squaring up to them and he was getting scary. It was the parents who were feeling threatened here. To be honest, they had no alternative but to try as best they could to restrain him.

sodamama · 28/10/2019 18:38

Sounds like things got out of control DS most probably felt pushed into a corner and reacted without thinking. Hopefully he'll come home really soon before he does you and DH have yo talk about how you're going to manage the situation. Personally, I'd ask DS if he wants a cuppa so he knows you know he's back and I think you and DH should both say sorry for acting as you did, that should (in my experience) open the way for DS to hopefully talk.. But he may not.. An embarrassed teen is not a talker. Be calm. I don't think going on at him about his behaviour will work, he'll just clam up and that'll enrage you and DH.

Drabarni · 28/10/2019 18:38

Gosh I'm sorry but what an over reaction from you both.
I'm not surprised your son did a runner.
At 10 and 14 they are going to have words, it may even get physical, leave them to it they are squabbling kids.
We have 2 grown up ds, if we'd have got involved with every situation like this we'd always be putting them in bedrooms.
It sounds like ds has had enough of the helicoptering.
What should you do? Try calling his friends parents, you could call him if he got his phone back.

sheshootssheimplores · 28/10/2019 18:39

I don’t know about going out to find him but that games machine would be gone for good in time for him reappearing. Fuck that shit.

ginyogarepeat · 28/10/2019 18:39

I really hope he turns up soon OP.

As for gamers explaining how really this can be expected if a game is interrupted (even when it wasn't in this case) - wise the fuck up.