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DS14 punched gentle DH in chest/face multiple times. Now vanished.

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WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 17:20

DS14 was being horrible to DS10 at xbox swap over time (ie DS10's turn came to an end and it was DS14's turn. This was 1pm today). DS14 was rude, taunting and generally horrible to his brother, in a way DS10 would not do if reversed.

DH went to talk to DS14 as this was happening. DS14 continued to be horrible. DH told DS14 to go to his room to calm down (Xbox is not in bedroom but is in family area upstairs), reflect and apologise before he could go on Xbox. They were standing outside of his bedroom but DS14 refused point-blank to go in.

Stand off continued. DS14's phone taken from him. Stand off continued along the lines of:

"You have lost 1h of xbox time, if you don't go in your room before I count to 5 you will lose 1h of phone time in addition.
(After count to 5)
You have lost 1h of phone & xbox, it becomes 2h if you don't go in your room before 5

Etc etc

Stand off continued and was getting nowhere so it reached the point where it was obvious this tactic was not working.

I want to add at this point that DH is the most non-confrontational person ever and is never, ever aggressive. He was calm and low-voiced throughout. But DS14 was becoming increasingly aggressive and 'squaring up' to get past DH and not go in his room. It became important to de-escalate quickly because DS14 was getting scary.

DH tried to march DS14 into his room by holding his two wrists and walking towards bedroom with him. This evidently was the wrong thing to do and we can reflect on this another day. But the result was DS pulling his arms away and throwing punches at DH.

Raining punches at DH's chest, this was the point I became involved (I was in the shower throughout all previous, could hear but knew DH is a capable parent. From this point onwards I am wrapped in a towel with wet hair...). I hear the cuffuffle and as I come out of the bathroom I see DS14 throw 2 punches at DH's face while DH tries and fails to get hold of DS's arms/hands to stop the attack.

Now in DS's room. DH holds DSs chest against the wall, which allows me to get hold of both of DSs wrists. We are trying to stop his violence and help him calm down. We are trying our best in a situation we've never known before. As you can imagine, this is a really, really stressful and dreadful situation to find ourselves in. DH and I wait maybe 90 seconds holding DS as he is throthing (literally) at the mouth to, well I don't know, attack us?

I continue to hold DSs wrists and tell DH to leave room. Then I swiftly follow, close door and tell DS he needs to CALM DOWN. DS punches (and damages) door and breaks his alarm clock (I don't know how, I was holding door closed).

DH, having caught his breath and had a few mins to check our other children are OK and not scared, is now furious. In explaining to me what happened he raises his voice for the first time (something DH very, rarely does - he's a quiet discussion kind of guy). This passes a strong message to DS, who knows how rarely DH loses his rag. DH spelled it out to me what DS had done (he physically punched me about 20 times! How I didn't retaliate , i don't know- he was battering me!) and that, a long with DHs tone of voice very quickly quietened DS behind his closed door.

I sent DH downstairs and out the way. DS silent. I opened door (mistake - I should have left him longer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing). DS is like a bull facing down a mattadore. In a very angry voice he says he want to get out.

I think he means of his room. I say no, must stay in room to calm down. He squares up to me, I think he's going to hit me . He says her not staying in here, her going and DH calls from downstairs that leaving the house might be a good idea. I agree since he's trashed his room and seems still very angry.

DS14 leaves the house. This is around 1.30-1 40pm today. DH throws his trainers out of the door as he leaves, because he's barefoot.

So that's where we are. DS has not come home. We've phoned our local family members in case he turns up at theirs and his best mates parents. He has no phone or money. Dinner is always 5.30pm

I'm starting to worry. How long should I leave him to brood before I go look for him?

Should I be out there now? Am I a bad parent for not? I feel ok to wait until usual dinner time (5.30) because that's his normal time to be in when he's out with friends. But don't know how long after that to wait? His night time curfue is 9-9.30pm in school hols, depending where he is. Should I wait until then?

I'm soooooo cross with him. Like big, big style angry for his behaviour to his Dad. But of course I'm also worried for his safety given I don't know where he is. I don't want my worry to lessen his consequences for physically assaulting another. But the worry is overtaking now. What if he's so sorrowful that he has... oh god. What if he's hurt?

What should I do???????

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sleepyhead · 28/10/2019 17:24

I think it would be a good idea to go out and look for him now. It's cold and dark - hopefully he's with a friend but first thing is to make sure he's ok.

Wildorchidz · 28/10/2019 17:25

I’d contact his friends parents to see if he’s with his friends

SleepWarrior · 28/10/2019 17:28

You can call the police and say he's missing I think? Doesn't have to be a particular period of time passed as far as I know.

And yes, I'd get out looking for him too, but with someone staying at home in case he comes back.

That seems so extreme a behaviour in response to the Xbox. Is there anything else going on that might be causing issues? I hate to say it but drugs?

PreseaCombatir · 28/10/2019 17:31

He’s only been gone a few hours, in all honesty I would expect him to slink back later than usual, he’ll probably(maybe?) be ashamed/embarrassed and want to delay coming home. Has he done anything like this before?

meow1989 · 28/10/2019 17:37

I think now you go and look for him, it's cold and dark and hes (is he still?) Bare foot. Hes 14, hes acted appallingly and hes probably not mature enough to work out how to back down and accept that he was out if order. If you cant find him before too long I think you could have a conversation with the police.

When you find him try to be calm but firm, theres obviously something going on and he has probably scared himself.

I hope hes home.soon

ChickenyChick · 28/10/2019 17:39

If you parent him like a toddler, he reacts like a toddler

As a parent if a 14yr old boy who loves faming, I am shocked at your and dH’s actions

Firstly: do you understand that with gaming you can sometimes be in the middle of a very exciting game (with mates) and suddenly pulling out affects him but also his team?

Yes he needs to learn to estimate better if there is time for another game, but to manhandle him like that, off course he reacted.

Try treating him as an (almost) grown up instead

Sorry but this is just a terrible parenting moment for both of you.

Be very kind when he comes back

ChickenyChick · 28/10/2019 17:41

He’s probably at a friend’s house. Txt his friends’ parents and ask if anyone has seen him As you are not sure where he is as he forgot his phone (no need to explain whole story)

Scarydinosaurs · 28/10/2019 17:41

I would say call his friends if you can to see where he’s gone?

Rubytinsleslippers · 28/10/2019 17:42

Has he turned up?

InDubiousBattle · 28/10/2019 17:44

Yes, I would go and look for him. Try his friends again- hopefully he will be with one of them.

bengalcat · 28/10/2019 17:45

Ring around his friends and if no luck I’d o look for him/ ring police for advice . When he comes back as others have said be kind give him his dinner . See how things go .

RB68 · 28/10/2019 17:45

He wasn't gaming - his brother was and whether or not you are in the middle of a game or anything you do not physically attack a person like that and threaten the same to your Mum - completely unacceptable.

I would second the drugs concerns.

I would be calling the police and recording the incident and the fact he is missing - let them find him and scare the shit out of him a bit so he understands that responding with violence is not the answer EVER.

WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 17:46

I think he's most likely embarrassed/ashamed about his behaviour because as PP said, it was so over-the-top and extreme in relation to the trigger.

He has recent form for extreme reactions to not getting his own way, since becoming a teenager anyway. Flying off the handle when he knows hes wrong, pushing buttons to escalate the situation rather than admit he's ashamed of his behaviour or was wrong. I assume teen selfish self-absorption and hormones. But nothing like this.

We are trying to model him ways to de-esculate since his teenage mind can't seem to calm down when he sees red.

I've delayed dinner by half an hour, hoping he'll slink back in.

ChickenyChick DS14 was going on the Xbox, not coming off it. Yes, I understand how gaming works with the need to give advanced warning of switching off, and we do exactly that.

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InDubiousBattle · 28/10/2019 17:47

I agree with Chickeny, sending a 14 year old to his room was not a great way of dealing with the situation and the way you have described it your dh got physical first.

WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 17:50

I doubt it's drugs, knowing his usual very lovely self. I'm also a secondary teacher, so used to the signs.

But I'm not infallible and it could be I suppose. He's not been out much this half term though and done mostly trips with our or his mates families. I do doubt it. He's doing a shitty job at dealing with teenage testosterone surgues though- and im doing an even worse job parenting him through it Sad

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StinkGhoul · 28/10/2019 17:50

Firstly: do you understand that with gaming you can sometimes be in the middle of a very exciting game (with mates) and suddenly pulling out affects him but also his team?

He wasn’t on the Xbox at the time. His brother was.

OP, I agree this wasn’t the best way to handle things but obviously this is a new situation for you. If this were to happen again I would remove yourselves from the situation until he has calmed down and then tell him the consequences of his actions. Physically restraining him seems to have escalated things.

I’d go and look for him now - if this is out of character as you say he probably doesn’t know how to come home

stucknoue · 28/10/2019 17:50

If he's still not home report him to the police on the local non emergency line, they will put a general message to all police to keep an eye out, meanwhile one of you needs to go out looking whilst the other calls his friends and waits at home. Don't bat yourselves up, it's typical teenager behaviour, most storm off at some point! I've found my dog was excellent at tracing my dd, and the police were great (she's autistic so extra vulnerable) to the extent they came to check if I was ok in a&e, I had found her and wrangled her into the car by that point (She was close to being sectioned).

Let us know when he's safely home or we'll all be worrying, and if he's still not found in a couple of hours, if you post your location I'm sure many including me will go looking if it's local.

SpaghettiSharon · 28/10/2019 17:52

ChickenyChick, wow, that’s a scary attitude! So it’s ok for young men to punch their dad if they dare to interrupt their Xbox game???

Fuck that. My boys ever punch someone because I interrupted their Xbox gaming and that would be the end of their Xbox.

Jesus, how the fuck did we get to this situation with parenting and gaming???

Glenthezombiebattlingostrich · 28/10/2019 17:52

Chickenychick, he wasn't on the game he was waiting for his turn. And if he is vile of course he loses gaming time. It's a punishment so it's not meant to make him happy.

OP teenagers are bloody horrible at times. Well done to your DH for not reacting.

Have a text around to try to track him down, of he's not already back have a chat with the police to keep an eye out for him. I'd possibly also ask them to come have a chat about the consequences of repeatedly punching someone.

Ilovetolurk · 28/10/2019 17:53

It became important to de-escalate quickly because DS14 was getting scary

DH tried to march DS14 into his room by holding his two wrists and walking towards bedroom with him

I’m sorry but manhandling him to his room is not de-escalating things.

In terms of what you do now I’d would look for him if he does not show for tea. And some calm discussion is required

SabineSchmetterling · 28/10/2019 17:54

Chickenychick- it wasn’t his turn coming to an end but his younger brother’s turn. He was the one being impatient about his brother finishing off his game.

I don’t see how anyone could seriously take issue with the DH’s actions. It sounds like he was calm in the face of pretty extreme behaviour from his DS. Yes, with hindsight, there might be things he could have done differently, but his actions sound normal to me. He was intervening because the boy was being horrible to his younger brother.

If you’re really worried OP then call the police. I’d check with his friends parents too but wouldn’t be surprised, as others said, if he slinks in in a couple of hours looking pretty sheepish.

leckford · 28/10/2019 17:55

Drugs?

Papersizes · 28/10/2019 17:55

Your husband needs to go find him. Situation needs defusing and alone he could probably do it better than the pair of you. You'll feed off each others anger and the kid will fight back.
Don't spell out to him what happened, everyone knows what has happened and that it shouldn't have, so start talking on that basis.
He is 14 and he lost it. We've all been there. Just make him aware that if it happens ever again, you will pack his bags yourself.

MrMeSeeks · 28/10/2019 17:58

Wtf its ok to get physical if his game has been interrupted?
Where was the dad being physical first ( dont think trying to restrain him from attacking counts Hmm)
He’s acted appallingly, op hasn’t done anything wrong.
He’d be banned from the xbox and phone for the considerable future.

Ilovetolurk · 28/10/2019 18:02

The DS was not attacking his father. I would not take my son by his wrists and march him anywhere for shouting. The OP reads like one long justification.

Regardless my advice is what it is

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