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DS14 punched gentle DH in chest/face multiple times. Now vanished.

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WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 17:20

DS14 was being horrible to DS10 at xbox swap over time (ie DS10's turn came to an end and it was DS14's turn. This was 1pm today). DS14 was rude, taunting and generally horrible to his brother, in a way DS10 would not do if reversed.

DH went to talk to DS14 as this was happening. DS14 continued to be horrible. DH told DS14 to go to his room to calm down (Xbox is not in bedroom but is in family area upstairs), reflect and apologise before he could go on Xbox. They were standing outside of his bedroom but DS14 refused point-blank to go in.

Stand off continued. DS14's phone taken from him. Stand off continued along the lines of:

"You have lost 1h of xbox time, if you don't go in your room before I count to 5 you will lose 1h of phone time in addition.
(After count to 5)
You have lost 1h of phone & xbox, it becomes 2h if you don't go in your room before 5

Etc etc

Stand off continued and was getting nowhere so it reached the point where it was obvious this tactic was not working.

I want to add at this point that DH is the most non-confrontational person ever and is never, ever aggressive. He was calm and low-voiced throughout. But DS14 was becoming increasingly aggressive and 'squaring up' to get past DH and not go in his room. It became important to de-escalate quickly because DS14 was getting scary.

DH tried to march DS14 into his room by holding his two wrists and walking towards bedroom with him. This evidently was the wrong thing to do and we can reflect on this another day. But the result was DS pulling his arms away and throwing punches at DH.

Raining punches at DH's chest, this was the point I became involved (I was in the shower throughout all previous, could hear but knew DH is a capable parent. From this point onwards I am wrapped in a towel with wet hair...). I hear the cuffuffle and as I come out of the bathroom I see DS14 throw 2 punches at DH's face while DH tries and fails to get hold of DS's arms/hands to stop the attack.

Now in DS's room. DH holds DSs chest against the wall, which allows me to get hold of both of DSs wrists. We are trying to stop his violence and help him calm down. We are trying our best in a situation we've never known before. As you can imagine, this is a really, really stressful and dreadful situation to find ourselves in. DH and I wait maybe 90 seconds holding DS as he is throthing (literally) at the mouth to, well I don't know, attack us?

I continue to hold DSs wrists and tell DH to leave room. Then I swiftly follow, close door and tell DS he needs to CALM DOWN. DS punches (and damages) door and breaks his alarm clock (I don't know how, I was holding door closed).

DH, having caught his breath and had a few mins to check our other children are OK and not scared, is now furious. In explaining to me what happened he raises his voice for the first time (something DH very, rarely does - he's a quiet discussion kind of guy). This passes a strong message to DS, who knows how rarely DH loses his rag. DH spelled it out to me what DS had done (he physically punched me about 20 times! How I didn't retaliate , i don't know- he was battering me!) and that, a long with DHs tone of voice very quickly quietened DS behind his closed door.

I sent DH downstairs and out the way. DS silent. I opened door (mistake - I should have left him longer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing). DS is like a bull facing down a mattadore. In a very angry voice he says he want to get out.

I think he means of his room. I say no, must stay in room to calm down. He squares up to me, I think he's going to hit me . He says her not staying in here, her going and DH calls from downstairs that leaving the house might be a good idea. I agree since he's trashed his room and seems still very angry.

DS14 leaves the house. This is around 1.30-1 40pm today. DH throws his trainers out of the door as he leaves, because he's barefoot.

So that's where we are. DS has not come home. We've phoned our local family members in case he turns up at theirs and his best mates parents. He has no phone or money. Dinner is always 5.30pm

I'm starting to worry. How long should I leave him to brood before I go look for him?

Should I be out there now? Am I a bad parent for not? I feel ok to wait until usual dinner time (5.30) because that's his normal time to be in when he's out with friends. But don't know how long after that to wait? His night time curfue is 9-9.30pm in school hols, depending where he is. Should I wait until then?

I'm soooooo cross with him. Like big, big style angry for his behaviour to his Dad. But of course I'm also worried for his safety given I don't know where he is. I don't want my worry to lessen his consequences for physically assaulting another. But the worry is overtaking now. What if he's so sorrowful that he has... oh god. What if he's hurt?

What should I do???????

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OhDeari · 28/10/2019 18:39

I still remember my Dad that night, fending off the punches. He just kept saying dbro's name over and over and over and eventually dbro ran out of steam I guess.
Dad could have knocked him out with one punch, but I've never ever seen him hit anyone ever in his life.

IWorkAtTheCheescakeFactory · 28/10/2019 18:41

To be honest, they had no alternative but to try as best they could to restrain him.

They did- they could walk away.

Skyejuly · 28/10/2019 18:43

I think you all reacted ok and I can understand it's hard. I would call police tbh x

HeyNotInMyName · 28/10/2019 18:43

@xraytangocharlie, you mean a grown up man was feeling threatened by a 14yo? Really?
That’s giving a hell of a lot of power to a child that age.

Plus, I dint know about you, but when I’m feeling threatened, I de escalate things, make myself small etc.. I dint try and grab my ‘opponent’ to force him to do something he had refuse to do for the last 10mins.
Her DH was NOT threatened. He was probably angry and at loss as to how to respond to a teenage that doesn’t ‘obey’ and could only think about one technique, brutal force.

nocoolnamesleft · 28/10/2019 18:43

Grabbing and manhandling someone who is getting agitated is about the opposite of de-escalating. I'd have been gobsmacked if it hadn't got more physical at that point.

WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 18:44

Not yet all responces yet, but thought you'd want to know update...

DS's football mate's mum text me at about 6pm to check it was ok if DS had dinner there. This is not a friend I had expected DS to go to so not a family I had contacted.

The text suggests the mum doesn't know any of what has happened and just assumes DS is over to hang out with his mate and she's happy to feed him, if I'm ok with that.

I've said fine, because frankly we (DH in particular) is still very angry and the space will do us all good.

I feel much more relaxed now I know he is safe. Also, our eldest has just got home (DD) and told us she phoned him this afternoon to check he was ok and more than anything he seemed embarrassed, wanted to come home and was nervous to face the music with his Dad (I'm not surprised, so he should!)

So that's where we are. I know where he is and that he's safe.

We have yet to decide, or even properly talk about/, how to move forward from this.

No clue on consequences, this is a situation I never ever thought about how to deal with. I keep thinking we should tell the police, it is assault and he is a strong, muscley almost-man. But then I absolutely do not wish to create any sort of police record for him. He's a good lad. Well, normally.

And yes, I definitely know we (DH) handled it wrong. We realised that within minutes. The man-handling was the trigger. Fucking stupid thing to do. To be honest I have so much going on in my brain right now I can't even think how it should have been done differently. But this needs reflecting on as soon as we have all calmed.

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HeyNotInMyName · 28/10/2019 18:45

And yes the only calm and rational attitude wouod have been walking away from the situation and letting him calm down. Because you sure as hell don’t calm down when you have someone over you threatening you again and again (no xbox, no phone etc etc).

Mickhasnotorso · 28/10/2019 18:46

Your DH should've left it as "no Xbox for you" and walked away. Your DH sounds calm, but also that he needs to have the last word. It became a battle of wills and as the parent your DH should've known when to walk away in order to de-escalate.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 28/10/2019 18:46

Can't believe the number of people on here siding with the little shit. He's angry and trying to use physical force to get his own way and people think the best thing to do is let him?? Fuck that. He is very, vanishingly unlikely to come to harm left, shock horror, outside at 6.30 in the evening. He will get cold and hungry and bored. Nothing like being cold and alone for a bit to leach the temper tantrum out of him. He'll turn up at home or at a friend's house. Call round his friends' places so that if he turns up, they call you. If it gets to 9ish call police. Give him the space to slink home with his tail between his legs. Feed him, warm him up, AND THEN ground him, remove all privileges for a substantial amount of time. Tell him you will talk about the whys and wherefores of his feelings in the morning. Send him to bed.

Smilebehappy123 · 28/10/2019 18:47

She shoots spot on , I said in my post also the xbox would be gone or given to the little brother who seems to be able to behave reasonably
I'm astounded by the responses on this thread , the OP clearly says that the lad squared upto the parents, sounds like dad is pretty calm normally and in that situation I think he did bloody well , hit with around 20 punches not to punch the lad back in the face which you would all say is wrong but let's face it would be self defence
This boy needs clear boundaries and acceptable behaviours , absoulty cannot be aloud to think this acceptable , I'm 35 years old and one of 4 children I honestly cant remember a single occasion that one of us squared up to my parents , who never laid a finger on us at any time in our childhood , its completely unacceptable how he has behaved

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/10/2019 18:47

@WaffleWiffle - can I recommend the book Divas and Doorslammers by Charlie Taylor? In it he describes how the adolescent brain is actually rewiring during those years - and whilst these changes are happening, teenagers lose some of their abilities - things like empathy, self control, seeing things in proportion, not seeing yourself as centre of the universe. He describes it as being like temporary brain damage.

But what he says is that it is temporary - once the changes have happened and the brain has settled down again, these things come back, wholly or mainly.

I read some of this book when ds3 was going through the teenage years, and we were having real issues with him - especially his temper, which was on a hair trigger and could absolutely explode out of nowhere. I will be honest and say I didn’t read the whole book - I sent it to a friend who was having a worse time with their teen - but what I did read made real sense - and ds3 did come out the other side of it. It was almost as if he grew up over night - he wasn’t a saint, but the difference was noticeable.

He’s now 22, and is a lovely person - but there were times, at the worst of it, when I didn’t think we’d survive his teenage years.

HeyNotInMyName · 28/10/2019 18:48

@WaffleWiffle, you do realise that
wanted to come home and was nervous to face the music with his Dad
Basically means he is frightened to come back home?

What are you going to do about it? And when are you going to take some responsibility in what has happened rather than simply ‘being angry at him’?
If he comes back and you start by having a go and punishing him, wo even talking to him (not talking NOT laying the guilt all over him about how upset this behaviour made you etc....), what do you think is going to happen?

WaffleWiffle · 28/10/2019 18:49

grown up man was feeling threatened by a 14yo? Really?

Definitely. DH and I, but in particularly DH, are totally non aggressive. "Soft" as it were. DH had no clue how to respond to violence. He has never - literally ever - faced violence from anyone. Ever. Me either.

DS is a very strong and toned boy. He does lots of sport. Tall, no fat on him, very strong, lean and muscley. In a fight with either me or DH, DS would win (that in itself isn't saying much, anyone with an aggressive nature would probably win. We would run away).

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lalafafa · 28/10/2019 18:49

smilebehappy123 totally agree with you.
the poster who said how gaming is important to kids etc. maybe they need to learn some manners first.

ProperVexed · 28/10/2019 18:49

I'm going through similar behaviour with my DS. No one gave me a manual on what to do in every possible scenario that we would face on our parenting journey. It is hard work and we do our best. I'm sure the OP and her DH are doing likewise. This was a new turn of events. The method they chose in a dynamic situation doesn't appear to have been the best one. I doubt they will force him to his room again. But they were doing their best as an unusual situation unfolded.
OP I'm sure he will be home soon. You will sort it out. You have my support (as I'm wondering if my DS will come home after storming out earlier!)

Wildorchidz · 28/10/2019 18:50

Did he not leave without his phone? Just wondering how his sister was able to call him?
Buy glad to hear he’s with a friend

YourOpinionIsNoted · 28/10/2019 18:50

Cross post, glad you know where he is. Perhaps consider speaking to the police - would they be able to get a pcso to come out and speak to DS, but not have anything on record? Having a police officer speak to him, in uniform, explaining that what he did could be considered a crime, could be a real shock that shows him that he can't punch his way out of consequences.

Littlemeadow123 · 28/10/2019 18:50

Your son's behaviour was inexcusable, but dragging him to his bedroom by his wrists was not the right way to respond to him shouting. I can understand (but not condone) why he would find that sort of thing inflammatory and patronising.

AppleKatie · 28/10/2019 18:51

Glad he’s safe OP.

If he’s a good lad normally and feeling remorseful I should think a full and frank conversation and a plan that you come up with together about how to cope next time he feels angry would suffice.

Also ask him what he thinks the consequences of hitting his dad should be. I bet he’ll come up with something pretty harsh.

BerylReader · 28/10/2019 18:52

I used to work with behavioural kids. They needed a get out not an ultimatum. They don’t want to lose face so if pushed will react. Everything seems to have escalated quickly. This is not a criticism. He may see himself as a grown up now and doesn’t want to accept the punishment for a child. Maybe just a calm voice to call younger DS out the way and leave older one alone rather than confront. They often need time to calm down and process how they’re feeling. He’s probably appalled at what he’s done and is scared to come home.

Ilovetolurk · 28/10/2019 18:52

You talk about your son as though he is an adversary. I find your language quite sad somehow. I would suggest some family counselling and certainly not the police.

If he has damaged his door he needs to pay to replace it but otherwise you need to move on from this and use better techniques in future. All teens have a moment or two, let this be the one you emerge from positively

Lindy2 · 28/10/2019 18:52

How worrying.

Some of the comments are very pious aren't they. Clearly all the super parents are on here today. I imagine this was all very emotionally charged and happened in just a short space of time.

There's time to reflect later. The main priority is to locate him and let him know it's ok to come home. He has hopefully calmed down but probably is shocked about how angry he got and what happened. He may be scared about returning.

I'd start by ringing around his friends houses to find where he is. You will hopefully then be able to arrange to collect him or talk on the phone.

Let him know that you are no longer angry and you just want him home safely. Hopefully you can all talk calmly tomorrow.

Redwinestillfine · 28/10/2019 18:53

I'm glad he's ok. I can't imagine how awful that was. Present a united front when he gets back. He needs to apologise and you won't tolerate his behaviour towards his brother or either of you. He also needs to let you know where he is. Tell him you will talk to him tomorrow about how you could all Handle it differently and ask him to bring ideas to the table.

Horehound · 28/10/2019 18:54

I remember once feeling wronged by my parents and locking myself in the toilet. My dad was trying to break the door down and then when I opened it out of fear of him bursting through it my mum then tried to grab my wrists. Why didn't they just leave me to be on my own? Why did they have to get to me?
They should have given me space just like you should have given him space.
But I'd not be letting him use the Xbox again. In fact I'd get rid of it before son 2 becomes the same game addicted rage teen your no 1 son already is.
I don't know why you and your husband didn't just close his bedroom door and leave him to calm down in his own.
.he'll be back but you'll need a round the table discussion to find out why he was acting the way he was and why it escalated so much

Smilebehappy123 · 28/10/2019 18:55

If anybody wants to know where society has gone wrong read this thread, its fucking laughable some of the responses , my god how times have changed and not for the better
I actually am sat astounded and open mouthed at the poster who actually tried to justify this with ' you cant pause an online game., it's so hard for them' yeah great say that in court when your little shit is trying to justify an assault charge as an adult.