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have finally thrown out 17 year old and actually feel relieved.

164 replies

ccmms · 23/07/2018 15:04

What it says on the tin. Have struggled with ds since he was about 13 and have tolerated/tried to pick my battles with regards to abusive attitude, laziness, selfishness, entitledness, drinking, weed, money going missing, disregarding any rules i tried to enforce regarding my house, not paying board etc etc. Did all the usual stopping wifi, not giving any money, trying to enforce basic house rules but to no avail. Have always said that drug dealing was a line I was not prepared to cross, so when i recently found out he has been selling weed I have finally had enough and put him out. And im not sorry to say that i feel relieved. That I can now maybe not dread coming home. Obviously i worry for ds but he is old enough now to make his own decisions (and clearly has no intention of listening to me or anyone else sensible) so he will have to find his own way and I certainly hope he will come out the other side a better person.

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AnnabelleLecter · 26/07/2018 09:46

I don't think you are doing the right thing but there's still time to sort it out preferably with commitment from both sides. He's making very stupid choices as do a lot of teenagers. He will know this deep down and knows he is disappointing you.
You need to be strong for him and give him the love and support he needs. I would encourage him back asap op and get advice-social services will help also counseling/NHS/MH.
If he won't engage you can learn how to approach and handle him. You have to be persistent.
I don't believe it's anything to do with how you bought him up either and one day especially if he has your guidance now he will grow up and be through this phase. He needs you more than ever before.

AllPowerfulLizardPerson · 26/07/2018 09:47

"What should we do to get a happier home life whilst also making sure he is getting the best outcome for him?’"

And so @flossietoot what should the answer be?

(But I disagree that that shouid be the question. OP does not appear to be remotely interested in a 'happen home life', but rather in the basics of safeguarding others in a situation that has become intolerable, and in which every previous boundary has been broken. Shouid the last ditch boundary of 'no dealing from home' also be abandoned? If SS are involved, would they be talking in terms of removing the well-behaved DS because the parent cannot safeguard him from the dealer/user?)

MrsJayy · 26/07/2018 09:48

You are right Floosie he should be at a parents house going to work and sitting on his xbox like otherc17 year olds but he isn't he is taking and maybe sellin g drugs being aggressive etc etc how much should a parent take from a child ?

flossietoot · 26/07/2018 09:51

The answer if the OP really has decided he can’t stay at home would have been supporting him to find alternative accommodation whilst attempting to rebuild what relationship they had. He could have been ‘homeless from home’ and moved to either a supported flat or if lucky his own tenacy became available. But moving him to someone else’s when she knows it won’t last and leaving him to it wasn’t a postitive step.

flossietoot · 26/07/2018 09:53

There are many organisations who are working with challenging teens who would be delighted to have the parents on side too.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/07/2018 09:53

why wouldn’t close relatives want to help?

You tell your kid no drugs in the home. You’ve got them in Ewmhs, you’ve got them counselling, you’ve got them in addiction clinics, and then they continue?

You actually have no idea what will happen next, please don’t pretend you do: I’ve been amazed to see kids (inc my own) turn it around - when I didn’t think they would - but only after the parents stopped accepting the behaviour.

[On mn I always try to support someone in distress. If I don’t condone their actions I would suggest real/proper alternatives. Slagging people off is rarely helpful.]

flossietoot · 26/07/2018 09:57

Well actually I can say what generally tends to happen. It is text book. Yes, some do eventually turn their lives round but rarely at 17- often takes until their 20s. But being in the youth homeless system should it break down with these relatives, is not a solution I think anyone would want and I am simple trying to spell out the reality for the vast majority that enter it.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/07/2018 09:59

Being at a relatives can often be really helpful for everyone.

flossietoot · 26/07/2018 10:00

And at no point have I said she should have had to keep him at home- I am saying she should have supported him to independent living.

Rollerbird · 26/07/2018 10:01

I can relate
My son is 20
He was asked to leave at 18
Very low / no contact
Lived in dumps.
Took him back about 9 months ago.
Just had to get him to leave again
It's heart Breaking and stressful and it's a shit situation for everyone
I think you did the only thing that you could O P

flossietoot · 26/07/2018 10:02

The opening line is ‘have finally thrown out my 17 year old’ which is very different to actually a planned move.

LetMeBe · 26/07/2018 10:02

Gosh op you sound aggressive and name calling anyone that disagrees with you is very mature.
I get why you wouldn't want your ds near younger sibling and last 5 years have been hard but as a parent we are there to help and nurture our children and find a way forward together.
If you say your ds is an adult you haven't treated him like one. You just sound very smug and heartless with your approach.
I really hope he does turn himself around but it may take time and understanding which he needs from his family right now.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/07/2018 10:04

But that might come in the future.

Op has been dealing with shit in her own home for over four years, it’s exhausting, depressing...she’s said no more and he’s out, already the weight has lifted, she will begin to recover, he will begin to think- maybe, the relative can deal with him for a few weeks and then they can regroup and look forward.

flossietoot · 26/07/2018 10:09

Well you just have to hope that is the case and they both get appropriate support.

siteentrance · 26/07/2018 10:13

Are you not embarrassed to talk to the relative that has taken your responsibility on?

Helmetbymidnight · 26/07/2018 10:25

Are you not embarrassed to talk to the relative that has taken your responsibility on?

I don’t get it?

BrandNewHouse · 26/07/2018 10:27

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Summersup · 26/07/2018 10:27

No idea why you are getting such a hard time, OP, and I very much doubt that some of the people criticizing you have an aggressive large drug-dealing nearly 18 year old living in their house. Working with teens like this is different than living with them as you go home at night to your sanctuary- you cannot if he's there.

I would not tolerate this either, I couldn't live with that fear like my poor friend's parents of having drug dealing people coming round with baseball bats to settle scores. You have to protect your existing children.

That said, how do you see this going forward? I agree that although it may be a massive relief right now to have your home back, this is not going to last. Your anxiety about what he's up to/doing is going to continue. If the other family placement (not neglectful for other families to take in troubled teens, yet again you are criticised for this but if he'd been in a hostel/supported housing he would be in with other people with issues) breaks down- what then? Can you help him access services/housing? Or is he hostile to this?

Perhaps this will be a wake up call for him, but I do think leaving the door open and helping him navigate (if he will accept your help) to getting a tenancy/supported housing or support would be good even just for the selfish reason that you are going to continue to find this stressful- and I think deep down continuing to parent him is what you will want to do.

siteentrance · 26/07/2018 10:33

I don’t get it?

What's difficult?

missyB1 · 26/07/2018 10:42

All these people saying has OP tried this that and the other, did she try counselling and charities blah blah. Well when my ds was addicted to cannabis at the age of 16, we found it almost impossible to get help, believe it or not there are not agencies queuing up to help teens on drugs. At least not in every area, and certainly not in ours! We started with the GP, then tried local addiction services (they said he wasn't old enough for them to help), then we tried private counselling which cost a fortune , he told the counsellor that he no intention of giving it up, or changing his life. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. We eventually couldn't cope anymore with having to hide all money and expensive possessions, not being able to trust him around his baby brother (a toddler at the time), and the fearing any knocks at the door. We had reached breaking point. You have to understand that it wasn't for lack of trying or lack of love, Sometimes you cannot force a person to be helped or to help themselves.
He now says being told to leave was a massive wake up call for him, and having to live somewhere considerably less pleasant than our house made him realise how privileged he had been and how he had taken all that for granted. In other words he began to accept responsibility for the shit he had brought on himself!

I wish people would stop thinking that these situations can always be resolved if the parent just tries harder or cares a bit more!

Helmetbymidnight · 26/07/2018 10:42

Ah you’re trying to shame the op, okayyy

Joe66 · 26/07/2018 10:48

The fact is that in our area youth services have been cut and then cut again to the bone. Mental health services are also in crisis, social services are also underfunded and it's very difficult to access any or all of the services for that reason unless the situation is at major crises point. I sympathise with OP. Sometimes you have to take the decision of the lesser evil, and exposing siblings to the behaviour this young man was exhibiting was not a good option. If in the UK the local authority, either social services or homeless team should pick him up as homeless and he may be able to access help that way. However, as op has said, he doesn't see a problem with his behaviour so he isn't likely to accept an intervention. That's his choice, as is the current situation his choice . . .

siteentrance · 26/07/2018 10:52

Ah you’re trying to shame the op, okayy

You said you didn't get it, I asked what was difficult. How does that equate to trying to shame the OP?

My question was a genuine one. From the POV of the parent who now has a relative living with what she deemed to be hell.

I wasn't t trying to shame anyone. If anything I was trying to understand the mind of the parent when this happens.

My mother threw me out at 15yo. I used sex to find me a place to live. 2 years of sex with a dirty old man who locked me in his house when he went to work. But I had a roof over my head.

I'm not here to shame anyone.

TheVastMajority · 26/07/2018 11:01

OP, you are taking a lot of flack from people who have no idea what its like. I have 4 kids. One of them is like this. The others are kind, considerate, hard working etc. They have their stroppy moments, but it is not necessarily a parenting issue involved. I think a lot more of the issue is the effect of drugs on developing teen brains.

My son is now 18 and staying here by the very skin of his teeth. We have 2 other kids, younger than him, plus one older. The layout of the house means he is away from the rest of the family.

I have been through hell and back this last 3 years. He got in with a dodgy crowd, embraced their lifestyle choices. I recently attended a meeting at college where he was kicked out, and while we were there to talk about his lack of attendance, work etc, the main concern of the three members of staff was ...Was I OK, was I safe from him, did I have support at home to deal with his aggression, could they help?. WHich will tell you what you need to know about my son.

WHat specifically did he do? Until recently...

STealing - to the point we had to buy a safe and lock away purses, credit cards, car keys etc. We lock the office with the safe in and take the keys and phones and handbags to bed with us.

STealing car - has no license, no insurance - and its his sisters car that
she needs for work.

Drug dealing - MDMA, weed and coke

Stealing hundreds of pounds of goods and pawning them for money

Girlfriend encouraging the above

Verbally and physically abusive

Filthy dirty, smelly, lazy, aggressive, defiant

Druggie mates joy riding up and down the road at 3am

multiple arrests: shoplifting, carrying a concealed weapon, possession, anti-social behaviour, assault

Has lost multiple jobs because he cant be arsed to go in after a few weeks.

He was excluded from school, and now excluded from college.

STealing from work

I wanted him out, i have many times expressed that I was living with an abusive man, but he was my son, not my husband.

But as others have said, there is no provision for tearaway kids and under 18 years you are legally responsible for them.

We persevered. he is currently in the first month of an apprenticeship which does not involve handling money. Fortunately, all his arrests were dealt with through community resolution so do not appear on a DBS check.

So far he says he is enjoying it. He is far to bright for the role, but Im hoping that he will stick with it and then do an access course with a view to getting into uni. But thats his choice.

The girlfriend is banned from the house. I have paid for his train pass for this month only, he will pay rent when he gets his first pay check or he WILL be leaving. HE earns enough to rent a room, so that is his choice now.

OP, while you took a different route, I do not blame you in the slightest. It may take your son time to wise up, but as a middle ground, Ive heard of someone that would meet her son once a week, buy him lunch, bring him a bag of groceries and take home any clothes that needed washing. Also provided a cheap phone on a limited contract.

Those with their judgey pants - there for the grace of God go I....

gamerchick · 26/07/2018 11:14

All these judgemental people that haven't walked a mile in op's shoes

Always get them on these types of thread, I've yet to see one offer to take on the young person though by pming their address.

Ive heard of someone that would meet her son once a week, buy him lunch, bring him a bag of groceries and take home any clothes that needed washing

This ^ but without the phone. Sometimes they do have to learn the hard way. I've yet to meet one bleeding heart who has been in this sort of abusive relationship with an offspring tell an OP she's doing the wrong thing with handwringing.

If this was a partner, the same people will be saying LTB Hmm