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CouthyMow · 23/01/2014 11:03

DD school refused this morning. First she refused to give DS1 back his iPod that he had kindly lent to her yesterday because hers is broken.

I insisted she give it back. She then decided

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 00:44

My DD has broken a FC of 30 years experience...or rather SS have with their lack of support in this situation! She has handed in her resignation.

Here's the sorry saga : I went to College, after having given SS as much information as I could on DD's whereabouts.

SS sent the FC to pick DD up.

DD refused to get in the FC's car. SS wouldn't send out a fury SW to help them, so they had to go home.

DD vanished from where she was.

I sit my exam, then whilst still at college, Ex rings me, DD turned up at our house. He gives her some soup to keep her there whilst I deal with SS. SS refused to send anyone out to get her, told FC to come and pick her up, despite DD STILL refusing to go back with them.

I get back from college, ring SS again. They grudgingly agree to send out Duty SW.

DD still refuses to go. SW tells me that as DD isn't at risk, is in a place of safety, and isn't causing an IMMEDIATE risk to either me or the DC's, that the police WILL refuse to take her. I corroborated that with the police.

I break down, because I know that all the support I've fought for will fucking VANISH if I let her stay. Duty SW says she will do her best to ensure that that won't happen. I point out that I'm a realist, have been here 101 times before, and that as DD won't engage, and is ONLY motivated by the ability to have NO boundaries, the ability to do what she wants, how she wants, when she wants, with no consequences, having as much money as she wants, that the support WILL vanish.

Duty SW admits that that is a possibility, but that there's nothing else that can be done tonight.

So DD asleep upstairs, or at least, in her bed. SW fucked off. No support in place for her 'return', and the likelihood of the support continuing to be put in place now she's home slim to non-existent.

The only thing I can see as a possibility is to refuse to allow her in tomorrow. But like tonight, she won't turn up until I'm at college (it was timed that way tonight...) and ex will let her in because he won't argue on the doorstep. It won't matter what I tell him, he just won't.

If she refuses to leave for school in the morning, I either have to get her to leave with me (yeah, like I've got the physical ability to do that!) or call the police.

Thing is, if DS3 is late for preschool once more, not through illness obviously, but through DD, then HE LOSES HIS INCLUSION FUNDING. Because they don't allow you in if you are more than 15 mins late, as it's too disruptive for the other pupils.

When I explained this to the duty SW, she said to take the boys to school, and then call the police when I get back.

I pointed out that she is able to lock me out because of the type of door I have, no other access point. So she said call the police and they will literally knock the door down.

My response was "and who the FUCK is going yo pay for that repair? It would need repaired straight away..." She said that I would be responsible for that. When I pointed out that that would mean that I would have absolutely NO money to feed my DS's with, and in fact, what I have in the bank probably wouldn't be enough to repair my front door anyway, she said "well, that's all I can suggest".

AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

I'm about to break, I swear to fucking GOD.

If even one of the most experienced FC's in my area has no more suggestions, and is so disgusted with the lack of support both her AND I are receiving from SS that she has resigned as a FC, WTF else do I do?

I can't keep my DS's safe and happy with her here, I'm going to lose the crumbs of support that HAVE been offered, and I can't even call the police out in case I end up paying legal costs and another victim surcharge.

How do I NOT crack up?!

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 00:48

CANNOT miss college tomorrow, will lose my place on the course AND have to pay the entire course fees as it's past Christmas. (Minimum attendance rules).

Ex has Autism and will NOT draw attention to himself by having any sort of discussion with DD on the doorstep tomorrow night, not his fault, he just can't manage that.

She will time her return here for AFTER I leave for college. By the time I get home, SS won't do anything again.

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 00:49

Shithead of a bully boyfriend is ACTUALLY the Ex boyfriend now, DD has yet another new boyfriend. That she's STILL not being 'careful' with...

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Maryz · 12/02/2014 00:59

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:03

My DD doesn't CARE how far she pushes, she isn't trying to see where the boundaries are, she is just dead set on ignoring ALL boundaries, she isn't motivated by anything other than doing what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, whilst still having all the comforts like her clothes cleaned for her, food provided, blah de blah de blah...

She doesn't give a crap that that ISN'T real life, ALL she wants is EVERYTHING SHE WANTS IYSWIM!

She KNOWS that the true course of things is that if you don't do what is expected of you, that you don't get the things you want...but is going to do what she wants anyway, and if she then doesn't get what she wants, she will kick off until she does, or until she gets put in a cell, whichever comes first...(hint - the police cell comes before she gets what she wants, and she knows that, and has said she doesn't care because she's not getting what she wants. She would rather be in a police cell than at home or in a comfy bed at the FC if she can't get what she wants...)

Do you know WHY she refused to go back to the FC?! Because I JUST WANT MY PHONE BACK. It was taken off her because she kicked off, slamming doors, shouting, swearing at the FC's because she was told she couldn't go out after school today because she had skipped school yesterday. (We hadn't told her about the rearranged Dbit appointment in case she decided to use that as a reason not to go back after school today)

So she behaved badly (skipped school and missed Dbit appointment), got a consequence (no going out after school the next day), behaved badly again (slamming doors, shouting, swearing), got a consequence (no phone), so behaved badly again (refusing to get in school transport, absconding, refusing to go with FC...)

And that's how it always goes. She digs herself further and further, until there ARE no more consequences you can possibly give, then she carries ON behaving badly because "one day is too long to wait to get my stuff back". She expects to behave for 30 minutes to get her stuff back, then kicks off when that doesn't happen.

It's entrenched behaviour, has been since I first started the fucking naughty step when DD was 15mo...

ALL DD is, and has ever been, motivated by is the ability to do what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, with no consequences, and everyone dancing to her fucking song, waiting on her hand and fucking foot.

I AM broken, I fear, because right now I can't feel anything for her. And that scares me.

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:13

What - with her in the house, threatening DS1 AND actually hurting him, him upset, angry, hurt that he has to lock himself in his bedroom again to stay safe from her, her expecting ££ every week and smashing my house up if I don't give it to her, her coming and going as she pleases, refusing to go to school (costing ME money in fines - up to £1,000 remember...), no boundaries and the threat of violence, aggression, intimidation and my house being smashed up if I don't give her everything she wants? With my 10yo back to cowering under his bed every time I DON'T give her what she wants? And my 3yo shaking and screaming in fear at the same time?

What sort of a childhood is that for THEM?!

And when she falls pregnant, (which she will), having to watch what will be my grandchild adopted out because she can't look after it and there's no way they will let me, with my disabilities, when I'm barely keeping my other DC's...

She WILL break me, MaryZ.

It's easier said than done when you know how she will react - she's always been the kind that if you give an inch, she doesn't just take a mile, she'll take 10,000 miles and STILL want and expect more. With no boundaries in place, she will just make higher and higher demands of me that I cannot hope to financially do, and she'll kick off even though she will KNOW I can't do that, because she won't CARE about me needing yo feed her brothers if SHE wants that money for something. Nothing will figure to her except taking more and more.

The ONLY way I've kept a lid on that sort of grasping, entitled behaviour her entire life is by having had express guidelines to follow that up until now, I have MADE her follow, no matter how she reacted. If I let that go, her behaviour will get WORSE, not better...

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:15

I want DS1 to enjoy the little that is left of HIS childhood. He's nearly 12 now. When is HIS turn to get what he wants, when all he really has ever wanted was to feel safe in his own home...

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:18

He's been so much happier the last 2 weeks. And he's helping round the house without her influence too. If she's back and not helping, he won't bother again. He's a lovely lad when she isn't here. He's a bloody nightmare when she is, and why not? She can be...

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:23

I'll be honest, MaryZ, if it was just her here, I'd have done it already, just given up. But what about my other DC's? What about in July when they stop the Child Benefit and CTC for her because she isn't in education or training? She will just steal the food I've bought for the other DC's if I don't buy her any. And what am I meant to do to buy her food then - take money that's meant to feed me? Take money that's meant to feed the DS's? Take the money I'm meant to put on the electric meter?

She won't be able to get a job, she won't even have any GCSE's at this rate, and they aren't allowed to employ her without her attending some form of training ANYWAY, by law now.

SHE won't have recourse to benefits until she is 18, as she won't be in education or training.

She will just steal food from the cupboards, and what's to stop her. And that WILL leave my other DC's or me short of food.

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:24

I don't work. She would be in the house, with me.

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:29

Or go out with her friends. No key, and she will time her return for when I'm getting DS3 to bed, disturbing ALL the family. Give her a key isn't any better, as I have to lock the door from the inside for DS3's safety - so she can't use it anyway. And it wouldn't just be my family she'd be disturbing if I couldn't open the door right away, as I live in a square full of people with disabilities (I'm in an adapted house in a square of adapted properties).

That only works when she comes in at curfew, because her curfew was at a different time to when I'm dealing with DS3 IYSWIM, so I could let her in quick enough.

Letting her do as she pleases just isn't really an option, or I will end up losing my adapted property. It's the only one in my town that is suitable for our multiple needs. And I'm tied to this town by Court order for the next 15 years...

I NEED this house!!

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:31

I CAN'T manage everybody's needs any more. It's bloody impossible. And you are underestimating DS1's stubbornness - and he DOES have the option of going to his dad's and refusing to come back if she is making him miserable again. In fact, he has TOLD me that he will if she starts making him feel miserable again when she comes back.

So I will have her here and not him...

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:34

Mary, I CAN'T physically shop daily, I'm disabled. I. Too far away from the shop to pay for taxis every day, I can only afford to once a week. Plus I can't BUY DS3's allergy food from just anywhere. And if she's hungry enough, she'll take that too. Sad

Ex will NOT give me any extra - he hasn't GOT any extra - he's not breaking even after maintenance rent bills and food, HIS mum is having to sub HIM. And he's paying minimum CSA as it is.

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:36

Mary - it WONT be her they are kicking out - I am responsible for ALL behaviour of anybody in my house, be it residents of my house OR visitors, part of my HA tenancy agreement. I've already had a written warning on account of her behaviour. And it IS me they will kick out.

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:37

DS1's dad won't let him back. I've been to court 17 times in 10 years over attempting to KEEP DS1 here. His dad can be a knob of the highest order when he wants to be, he has a different dad to DS2/DS3.

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CouthyMow · 12/02/2014 01:42

It's not HER I'm not ready to give up on, I'm there after tonight. It's my other DC's, especially DS1, that I'm not ready to lose IYSWIM.

Why should I allow her to do that to me and him. Why?

And how can I stop it. That's all I'm interested in.

I don't particularly want HER here now, but I will walk over hot coals to prevent DS1 from going to his dad's. So how can I do that, that's what I need to know. Because the ONLY way to do that, IMO, is to NOT have DD here.

I'd rather she went than him right now.

And that sounds awful, and it is, but he needs me and WANTS my help. She doesn't want my help, even if she needs it. And you can only help someone if they are willing to TAKE that help. DS1 is, she isn't.

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