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Support thread for parents of self harming/depressed/suicidal teens.

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ElleMcFearsome · 25/06/2013 07:50

Inspired by MaryZ's amazing support thread for parents of troubled teens, I wondered if it would be helpful to have a place for those of us who are trying to support our teens who are self-harming/depressed or suicidal? If this is simply replicating MaryZ's thread I'll have it pulled, but I have started a thread about my DD in the MH topic and I see from this board that other people have done similar here.

There seems to be a great deal of info and support here (no surprise there) as well as some helpful information sharing and I thought trying to get it all in one place may be helpful?

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ElleMcFearsome · 25/06/2013 08:00

So, my situation:

DD (15), s/harming for just over a year, very depressed with suicidal ideation. Hospitalised overnight last week as her feelings were scaring her. Had our initial appointment with CAMHS last week too, but as she has yet to act on her feelings, other than an attempted 'mild' OD last year that I didn't know about until weeks later, she doesn't really meet their intervention criteria.

After much discussion, we have decided to pay for her to have a psychiatric assessment which is booked for Thursday at the nearest Priory to us. I know that there isn't a quick fix for depression and her feelings but she feels (as do I, a bit) that she won't be taken "seriously" until she attempts to take her life. Whilst I'm grateful for the fact that the professionals she has seen thus far don't feel she is that high risk (and understand the NHS's resource issues) I don't want her to carry on feeling this way, and to be honest, I'm emotionally wrung out. Hence paying for a private assessment. I need some hope!!

She's been having private therapy for about 8 months, which has helped with the s/harm - she now has a band round her wrist to flick, and also writes all her feelings down then rips up the paper, but seems to have run its course a bit. Certainly she is cutting less, then hasn't burned herself for many months, for which I'm profoundly grateful.

I guess my hopes for Thursday are: a) that she sees a psychiatrist who is at least able to consider medication (though I know there are risks with SSRIs and under 18s), b) that she is reassured that we aren't "giving up" on her, and c) that maybe they can suggest a different form of talking therapy. Fingers crossed...

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Turniptwirl · 25/06/2013 12:08

You're showing your DD that you are taking her seriously whi h must be a huge relief for her. Depression and self harm are scary at any age but especially for a teenager. Knowing you're not just passing it off as a phase or attention seeking is reassuring for her.

I've been on ADs for several years and find they help stabilise me, they curb the worst of my moods but they aren't a magic happy pill. I have also suffered badly with withdrawal symptoms when changing meds. I don't have any experience of ADs in under 18s, but a psychiatrist will have more experience and understanding than a gp and will know whether guidelines can be broken and in what circumstances the risks outweigh the benefits, and if its appropriate for your DD. not to undermine gp just that its all s psychiatrist deals with.

Omg123 · 25/06/2013 22:03

Thanks for starting this thread Elle. It does seem like there are quite a few of us in the same situation and most seem to be girls in the 14-16 age bracket. I guess this is a very messy age.
I can't really offer you any advice as this is all new to me having only found out about my DD's problems recently.
Mine seems to have good days and bad days. Yesterday when I collected her from school she was very down. Barely speaking, and moving like a sloth. Got home and she went to her room and lay there for a while. Later she came down and her mood seem to have lifted and she was a lot brighter. Today she seemed fine and even went out for a very short run around the block (she does this now and again).
The school holidays are filling me with dread as I cant leave her alone while I work, as I mentioned in a different thread I'm scared of what she could do.
I'm considering asking for parental leave but will wait til closer to the time and see how she is then.

Butterflywgs · 26/06/2013 02:01

Good idea for a thread. As someone who has been through suicidal depression, I am happy to offer thoughts and advice.
As Turniptwirl says, suicidal ideation should always be taken seriously.
Sorry CAMHS have been so unhelpful, Elle.
Sympathies to all of you. I just wish my mother had been so supportive.

starsandunicorns · 26/06/2013 06:47

Marking place will fill you in when home from. My dd was in A &E last week still in shock

ElleMcFearsome · 26/06/2013 07:34

Well, we're half way through mock exam week here and she's just about coping. I'm trying not to pin all my hopes on the consultant tomorrow but at the moment I'm grasping on to any life raft! I think one of the problems is her sleeping pattern is shot. Yesterday she was falling asleep on the sofa at 6pm, and she often is tired all day because she's slept so badly. It seems her brain has got her into a habit of waking up between 2-3am and then she lies awake feeling sad.

omg mine also has days where she seems, well not ok, but less sad. You must be feeling very torn about the summer hols, thankfully I don't work (but I am trying to do a degree, which is rather falling by the wayside at present). Do you have any family close by who could support you?

turnip and butterfly* - thank you. I said on another thread, it gives me hope to hear from people who have been there and have come out the other side Flowers

stars so sorry to hear that your DD was in a&e. I hope you can find some support, both here and in RL.

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Turniptwirl · 26/06/2013 20:36

I'm glad all you DCs have parents who want to support them through this difficult time

I have posted on a few of these threads so the following us some consolidated general advice from someone who's been where your DCs are

  • don't show any disgust, fear, hurt, shock or any negative emotion or reaction in front of your DD regarding their self harm or depression. They're probably all things you may feel but don't show DD that. Talk to a close friend or partner or come on MN for support, don't put DC in a position of feeling they have to support you
  • take them seriously. When you are deep in depression even tiny problems seem insurmountable. They will come to realise this once they're out the other side. I still go through patches like this now and even though I KNOW it's only so bad because of depression, it doesn't stop it feeling like the end of the world at the time
  • they trust you, otherwise they wouldn't have shared any of this with you and would be suffering alone. That means you're doing a good job!
  • getting help can be stressful and there could be an initial worsening of depression and even SD harm, as they have to talk about things that they've previously been dealing with by self harming. Don't panic if this happens but try talking to the professional yourself and making sure they're aware of it and can manage it appropriately
  • take care of yourself! Eat well, get plenty of sleep, do normal things with friends and family. Even get professional support yourself
starsandunicorns · 26/06/2013 21:04

Back story

Dd15 lives with her dad my exh and his new wife. She wanting to live with us for a while now as they dont inculde her and some other stuff I wont go into. She very welcome to be here but she said its only a year left of her gcses she vists often however she been talking about being low i said go to docs she told dad dad fobbed her off

Anyway she ended up in A&E last week od and self harming went to get her so she could stay with us for a few days was hoping it was going to be a the forever move but shes doing her mocks and though we went to see a school she couldnt do all.her exams so she wont come over.

She had cahms in hostpil but its a six week waiting list and her dad has today ripped into her and is not supporting her i want her here now but she wont come till her exams next yr.

She doesnt know anyone here apart from me and dp her school seems supportive

When i picked her up she talked i listened and was normal around her. Its very frusting as i really want her here hoping she will think over thevsummer and just come here please not flame me as i cant just bring her here as it would make the situation worst

cory · 28/06/2013 13:39

I started a similar thread a few months ago, but that seems to have died down.

We are a little further along the road in that dd has been having CBT-based therapy for a couple of years now, has been on medication for over a year and CAHMS are thinking about gradually cutting down on her sessions and leaving her to get on with it, though remaining of medication for the time being. Her last suicide attempt was in January and she has been able to get through her GCSE period without another attempt or even (as far as I know) without self harming. She is talking about going to college and seems very focused, so all good signs.

In dd's case, it isn't just about this age bracket: she has had anxiety issues since she was a toddler, combined with chronic pain and a genetic disorder that is known to be associated with depression and high levels of anxiety.

So we have no particular reason to believe she will be growing out of the way she feels, more that she will be able to take responsibility for what she does with her feelings. We suspect she is on the bipolar spectrum, but her behaviour during her highs are not erratic enough for a straightforward diagnosis: she gets hyper, but is still more or less sensible in her decisions, so some way off fully developed bi-polar.

CAHMS have told her that she may well have the same reactions all her life, but that there is a lot she can do to control her thoughts and her actions.

marzipan57 · 05/09/2014 13:03

15 yr old daughter suicidal for over a year. So much of what I read is familiar. Good days and bad days when we daren't leave her alone. The meltdowns happen at home and her pain is hard to watch. With others she seems able to act normally and even be cheerful. That makes people think that we are exaggerating or mollycoddling her. The hard bit is knowing how far to push her to do the things which she needs to do but she dreads eg school, social events . The psych has tried anti depressants and mood stabilisers, no difference. Any advice welcome

carriewintermeadow · 18/10/2014 01:49

I've just found out today that my dd 13 has been self harming.

I am struggling with depression myself and am not sure how to cope with this Sad

She' s at a sleepover tonight. Tomorrow I'm going to have a quiet word, let her know I'm there for her, ask what I can do to help.

I don't want to run straight to the docto because there could be a certain element of copying her friend too.

exasperatedemma · 18/10/2014 10:36

I too have a 16yr old DD who was hospitalised last year after an attempted suicide, CAMHs said she didn't need help, I think this was more about the dreadfully low funding allocated to children's mental health services and they have to prioritise. Not what you want to hear when you spend every waking moment worrying and trying to keep them safe. Anyway, things picked up for a while then deteriorated again (don't know what the trigger was that time) but decided to check her out medically (had to really push the GP on this one for blood tests) and turns out she was/is severely anaemic which can make you feel depressed. Certainly contributes massively to the tiredness she feels. She did have some therapy on coping stragtegies, etc earlier this year which I felt really helped and she was doing much better, but since going back to school in Sep, she has plummeted again and I think she is cutting herself again. She is deeply unhappy and I can't reach her. She won't go back to see the therapist, won't say why, but I know how much she hates talking about her feelings. She is doing so badly at school, I think she is overwhelmed by the enormity of exams and knowing that she is so behind, we have tried to reassure her that its not the end of the world etc but to no avail. We are terrified to leave her on her own, this doesn't help either because then she feels that she has no space. It's so difficult to find the right balance and to help her.

oranotherstickybun · 18/10/2014 10:47

Hi...
My empathy to all of you in this rocky boat.
My dd has been self harming for around 3 months. I found out through the school, although I had noticed her becoming more withdrawn, but thought this was typical teenage behaviour, because she was reading in her room more.
She is completely anti talking about it, although I understand she does not have the skills yet to put voice to deep emotional issues and may not even know why she is feeling so bad. She appears angry mainly with me (primary carer, stay at home mum) because I am the one who is trying to find out what the root of the problem is. It is so hard. We had a great relationship once, but I feel as if she hates me now. I only want to help her.

secretsquirrels · 18/10/2014 17:00

I have no direct experience of this but I know this charity Papyrus is well regarded.

MajesticWhine · 21/10/2014 08:32

DD (14) has just recently told me how bad she has been feeling and that she has cut herself. I feel bad that I had no idea she was so depressed. She finds it difficult to talk to me, but at least she has told me that much.

Glad to find this thread. Thank you for the advice I have read on here, which is very helpful. I think it is particuarly important not to show fear / hurt / shock as Turniptwirl said. I have over-reacted and not coped well previously when DD confided in me several years ago about bullying, and I don't want to make the same mistake.

3teenageboys · 21/10/2014 10:04

My DS was self-harming at 15, we took him to counselling, never showed our distress. Expressed concern, he told me I was destroying his life. We did all the right things, said all the right things and never questioned. Did it work? I dont know, I just know that the last time he did it I completely blew, anger, tears, threw it all at him. He stopped, I dont think he realised what it was doing to us. We got into the routine of him showing me arms and upper legs (near groin-another common area we discovered because less chance of being found out). He hasnt self harmed since.

For all mums, I know the way my son stopped was unusual and having spoken to support groups the acknowledged way was to support him. Since then we have sporadic checks. He is nearly 17 and we still check. he is fine, still gobby and helps himself to money from my purse that I cant afford for him to have, but getting there, slowly.

MajesticWhine · 22/10/2014 18:28

DD is just so inactive. It's no wonder she gets depressed. She mopes around and won't leave the house. Then she complains to me about her weight and wonders why her friends don't invite her out (probably because she's always moaning). It's exasperating, she is her own worst enemy. I have explained to her that keeping active is important to stave off depression, but she either doesn't respect what I say or just starts crying. Sorry just needed to unload.

outtolunchagain · 22/10/2014 18:33

Majestic , ds1 is the same ,he sleeps all day, takes no exercise and then is depressed because he gains weight.I am at my wits end but he is 21 now and I can't force him anymore

anthropology · 27/10/2014 09:15

exasperatdemma, I'm sorry to hear about CAMHS attitude. I do think it has become even harder to meet criteria for help since my DD needed it 5 years ago, when she spent several spells in an adolescent unit for severe depression. As a mum who has just so happily waved her wonderful DD off to uni (something we both felt might never happen for a good while), things I wish I had known earlier are

a) school is less important than mental health - if your DD is not coping, better spend a year out of education or on a reduced schedule where they can cope. Changing school after illness can help, if school and friends are not supportive. More people delay school than you think and if they go into higher education, the missed year, or even 2 makes no difference.

b) find other people for them to confide in. I thought my DD was angry at me, but she just found it difficult to share her dark thoughts and didnt wish to upset me so slightly older family/friends or people who went through teen issues are best. Her friends in hospital also provided peer support. When she was better, our relationship returned to a close one.

c) many teens are hard/impossible to diagnose (we had many diagnoses, mostly wrong and I realise it was less important than the symptoms in our case). Focus on strengths at home as well as vulnerabilities as therapy focuses on what is wrong. Don't let them be put in a box, listen to your child and write everything down, as you are the one who sees your child the most. I found the results of a WISC 4 educational assessment helpful for getting the right schooling support later on, so do get tests done, medical and educational as they may help identify issues and get further help.

d) find the right therapeutic help although so little is on offer. CBT is good but can be difficult for teens. Might be better they have someone younger who they open up to and listen to, rather than the most senior therapist who might be a stressed mum !!. Get therapeutic support yourself and the tools to help them, as even when it gets better,they may need support. I explored nhs, private and charities and not everyone was good at their job as in any other industry. Do fight for support in line with current NICE guidelines from your Trust. They are struggling with the cuts, but you are the ones suffering.

e)Consider medication, if your child is not responding to talking therapy, but only alongside a robust therapeutic schedule, and read up carefully on side effects. Coming off meds caused the worst side effects.Tools and coping strategies she learnt really did help.

f )All turniptwirls comments are the right way to approach a depressed teen and there are many websites like Young Minds with helpful guidelines (and a useful callback service), but still not enough family/parental help out there.

Most importantly Depression is an illness, and needs the right treatment and support and it really helps for teens to know it is something which can get better in most cases, if addressed at a young age and its not their 'fault'. We can't tell them that if they do x and x it will definitely get better or not doing something might give them depression.

Everyone is different and for some, needing alone time in a quiet place might be an important thing, for another sport might help but it all takes much time and patience and setbacks, particularly up until aged 16 when they start to learn coping strategies, understand their own triggers and while those around them are also going through messy emotional ties.

Hope this is helpful to someone. Most young people I know have got better and come through, particularly over 16, but there has also been relapse and tragic loss of young lives, so always, always take their worries seriously and offer support.

exasperatedemma · 27/10/2014 09:34

thank you Anthropology - really helpful to to have some clear advice when you feel like you're drowning and can't think properly. x

milliemixy · 30/10/2014 09:01

Hi, reading your post I would like your thoughts on my Dr who has been depressed since 7 years old. I won't go through the whole thing but wanted to see if you have any advice on how to deal with my 15 year old 1sz . Can he have said its behaviour and to walk away when she has tantrums but when I do she goes hysterical, she has tried to cut her wrists ,as these were superficial(she used a razor to scrape up her arm)-she seemed to go into a totally different frame of mind. Everybody categorizes me as being too soft but she is trying to control and manipulate me and has no empathy. It's a long story but you probably get the picture of our situation. Her step.father gets cross when he hears her shouting at me, it takes a long time to calm her down, our go won't prescribe to under 18,s. She is overweight, have tried everything,but vicious circle as now she feels so conscious of her size. Any suggestions

carriewintermeadow · 01/11/2014 20:25

Dd 13 is still cutting. I hoped it was just a phase, a cool thing to do, but it seems not. She took her pencil sharpener apart after I hid all other blades Sad She denied doing it and I had to insist on her showing me her arms.

We have talked lots about it, she says she gets panic attacks and feels very anxious. She's struggling with friends, one friend in her group - former best friend - is giving her a hard time, leaving her out of things, trying to distance other friends .. making nasty remarks on Twitter ..

She refuses to go to the doctor. I've said we can leave it for now if she keeps talking to me. I've bought her rescue remedy chewing gum and also a book for teens about dealing with depression and self harming.

I don't know what else to do. Dh thinks it's typical teenage drama, won't take it seriously and certainly isn't talking to her about it.

She's always been a sensitive child, never fit in with the others, was quiet, a reader, struggled with wanting to be prettier ...! She's gorgeous, with being brown eyes, clever .. but she wants to be little and blond!

Any advice? I don't really want to go to the gp with her, as I don't think they can help. She does talk to me. I don't want her on ADs. My eldest dd was referred to counselling at 16 and tbh they were fairly useless.

I'm trying to cope, but suffer with depression myself and it all feels like it's too much.

I don't want her to do this, to feel like this. I want her to be happy. She's only 13 ..

MajesticWhine · 02/11/2014 13:00

carrie, if she is talking to you and you are keeping the lines of communication open, then you are doing a good job. Does her school have a counsellor? If she needs to talk to someone else, then it might be easier if it's a normal part of the school day.
My advice about the harming is to not focus on the cutting so much, (as long as there is no sign of infection). Don't be accusatory about it, even if she has gone to great lengths to deceive you, like with the sharpener. This is the only way she knows how to deal with her feelings at the moment. Take the self-harm out of the equation and focus on being available for her and encouraging her to talk about her feelings. It's easier said than done I know. I can give this advice, because I've had training and so I know it is the right course of action, but I do find it hard with my own DD.

carriewintermeadow · 02/11/2014 14:24

Majestic thank you. Not sure if there's a school counsellor, we got very little information about them, full stop! Angry I think she would be mortified if someone wanted to talk to her though. Everything is embarrassing at the moment.

It's hard to not get upset about the cutting, she's my baby Blush and is spoiling that perfect body Sad But I will try.

imalostcause · 10/11/2014 17:11

Yesterday evening dd13 told me she had suicidal thoughts Sad Sad I feel very lucky that she talks to me about these things Smile

We had a long talk about what is troubling her (mainly friends being bitchy, school, homework) and put together a plan of action - I wrote a note to her teacher to inform her that she is struggling with some homework, I also wrote an email to her head of house, informing her of the situation, we discussed a possible change of school, how to handle her friends, which I must admit I'm at a loss with, all I could tell her was it will blow over soon, which didn't help Sad

I feel totally overwhelmed by this Sad I'm going to make an appointment to talk to my gp about it, as dd doesn't want to talk to her, so I'll go alone.

Am I dealing with this correctly?