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Would you let them stay in the same room?

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mears · 15/04/2006 18:08

My DS who is 16 yrs wants to have a moviethon (watch films all night) with his girlfriend who is 15. He asked if she could have a sleepover and I said yes as long as they slept in separate rooms. He said that spoiled the moviethon aspect and frankly he is really hurt because he thinks I don't trust him.

I said he needed to find out what her parents thought. They are OK with them being in the same room with different beds.

I have taled to his girlfriend and they really are so hurt that we even suggested that they should not be 'allowed' to stay in separate beds in the same room. 'Don't you trust us?' is their response.

I don't trust nature wanting to take over but they really are level headed. It is so sad that they think DH and I think so little of them, which rteally is not the case.

What do you lot think?

OP posts:
colditz · 16/04/2006 15:46

My point about her being 15 is not that it is immoral, FWIW I don't think it is. It is illegal. Mears' son could end up on the sex offender's register. Mears herself could end up in court. This isn't about the morality, but about the possible impact of their lives.

JoolsToo · 16/04/2006 16:08

"as my view of parental duty is to support in good times as well as difficult ones"

Giving support does not necessarily mean conceding.

"A key assumption in my position is that teenagers who want to have sex will have sex, so any attempt to interfere is for my own benefit not theirs"

am still perplexed by this, can you tell me how I benefit and why do you call it 'interference' what happened to parental guidance? There are very real health implications, especially for the girl, in becoming sexually active at a young age, trying to get them to postpone any sexual activity benefits them not me.

DominiConnor · 16/04/2006 20:05

Funny you equate your relationship with your dw/p and your home together.. to your relationship with your son?
No. I was un-equating them. I don't regard owning a property as giving me moral rights over it's inhabitants as in "my house my rules"

I'm with you both Colditz there are risks, both legal and to health. That's why a I favour close engagement with the problem over getting in the way.

Forgive me but when I hear "very real health risks" I hear a different agenda. That phrase is excessively used by the madder end of pro life zealots.

The medical risks of occasional sex are quite disproportionately higher than for regular relationship based sex. My goal is to minimise them.
Look at the stats for teenage pregnancy. My view is that a girl who knows in advance when she's going to have sex can prepare, as can a boy. Teenagers who grab what they can when they can don't make good decisions about anything, including and especially sex.
Thus a valid goal is to maker the whole process a bit more reliable.

As for the risks to me, I'd see them as irrelevant. Very small chance, and if push comes to shove I can take being on the SOR. Would be inconvenient of course, stop me doing any more work for HMG since I doubt I could persuade any Catholic ministers of state to grant me an exemption. Maybe they'd ceremonially delete my user ID :) They did that once before...

Yes, there is an element of "conceding" in my position. Those who've met me in the flesh regard me as excessively unwilling to give ground.
But, I know when I'm beat and when fighting my position I'm conscious that it's my position, thus it only hurts me. I have a different level of bloody mindedness when others bear the cost.

All fights have a cost. Against something bad that I felt a good chance of stopping, I can, and have fought multi year battles against heavy odds. Thus if DS was doing drugs, or wanted a motorbike I'd be implacable even if he were 25.
But at 16 sex is going to happen, probably has already.
(I've lost a number of friends to bike accidents, and seen terrible injuries. so to me they're worse, your view may not be the same.)

Thus if my kid wanted a motorbike, I'd try very hard through reason, coercion and the infamous Connor stubbornness to stop them. If pressed I’d try to get them to use a car which although risky for a 17 yo boy is better than a motorbike, and if I failed completely would at least buy them a very good crash helmet and pay for decent lessons. Same logic as for their sex life, stop bad things when I can, but mitigate when I can’t.

As for the “who benefits” issue…
If you genuinely think you can stop them having sex, then you may be doing them some good. I personally would recognise my own limits and short of never letting them out of my sight, feel the enterprise as doomed.

If one could press a button and stop a 16 yo sleeping with a 15 yo, then I’d press the button, but I don’t see one on this laptop.

But if you take the view that you’re not stopping them, merely moving out of your house to do it, it does beg the question of who benefits ?
I can’t see anything in the “my house my rules” view that is anything than making another person’s life harder so that I don’t have to see it. That’s reducing someone else’s quality of life to improve your own.
The middle case of fighting a battle merely to show disapproval strikes me as either doomed to utter failure, or a Pyrrhic victory, or more likely a sequence of Pyrrhic victories followed by utter defeat. At 16 you’ve lost control of a young adult, to me the question is how much influence you want to retain.

Sparklemagic · 16/04/2006 20:37

mears, this is no help at all I'm afraid but I think personally that it is just too late at this stage to be talking about it.

I think the way to avoid it even coming up must be to talk to our children from pre-teen years about sex and it's implications, physical and emotional. Also to instil in them a value for their bodies and the fact that they have virginity, the losing of which is something that will probably bring up big feelings and emotions. Let them see peer pressure for the weakness and bullying that it is. I had this sort of upbringing and it certainly made me strong and opinionated about when and with who I would have sex. Personally I valued being a young 15 and wanted sex to be a more adult thing, so would not have been interested in a sleepover with my boyfriend at 15.

So I think personally, having willing teenagers asking to do this does probably mean they're already having sex. I think it's too late to stop them, for what my opinion is worth. But I do feel that letting them sleep together in his room doesn't necessarily follow. As his parent you do not have to so openly condone this somewhat adult arrangement. If they have time alone in his room in the evening they have probably already had sex then! I think fine for a parent to just say no to an all nighter, which really is saying yes, we think you having sex is fine.

I feel that if you are giving them time alone in your house you are giving them a safe place, and that's enough. Time enough when they are older for them to spend nights together! there's no hurry and I don't think you should let the "don't you trust us?" argument sway you.

jampots · 16/04/2006 20:39

how about they have their moveithon but insist they keep the door open?

cataloguequeen · 16/04/2006 20:39

My daughter is not just an occupant in my home..she is my responsibilty and I don't feel the need to placate her every whim because she will not be liked... at 16 she is not an adult and she is ready for a sexual relationship?...

Janh · 16/04/2006 20:41

Forgive me but FFS.

cataloguequeen · 16/04/2006 20:41

I would not be liked..I mean Grin

expatinscotland · 16/04/2006 20:43

FWIW I had sex when I was 16. Really enjoyed it. Used protection. Didn't feel it impacted my self-respect at all. In fact it was such a positive experience it laid the groundwork for my not putting up w/a lot of experiences I saw others go through - thanks, Pierre Wink.

16-year-olds are not legally minors in this country. They are considered of age to give their consent to sex.

Whether or not this means having it go on in your house is the question, of course, not whether or not he should be having sex at all.

B/c let's face it, at that age, people can move out on their own and do it if they really want to.

Janh · 16/04/2006 20:44

Sorry, sorry, I meant to stay out of this after seeing DC's post about children as sex toys on Catholic Church thread.

Madder than a box of what?

olivia35 · 16/04/2006 20:48

Would you be OK with it if they were both 16?

Think I would be tempted to say something like: 'When your girlfriend is 16, it'll be legal for you to have sex & it will be a decision for the two of you to make - & none of your parents' business, frankly, though we wouldn't be human if we didn't worry about it...so THEN you can have her sleep over & exactly what you get up to is for you to decide -until then, my gaff, my rules, & if you think that's unreasonable, you'll just have to humour me'

What do her parents think? Would they let him sleep over in her room?

Janh · 16/04/2006 20:48

They can nip home from school and do it when everybody else is out - that isn't the issue - the issue is being coerced/emotionally blackmailed into apparently condoning it when we're not happy with it.

Of course lots (most?) of them get up to all sorts of things we'd rather they didn't, long before they're really old enough to (booze, fags and driving as well as sex and drugs), but we don't have to facilitate the behaviour if we're not happy with it (unlike the mother of that brat with the eggs who's gone to jail for some of hers).

JoolsToo · 16/04/2006 22:02

Agree with every word Jan!

DominiConnor · 16/04/2006 22:34

Well JanH is you don't like the Catholic church's policy for it's rapist priests of "if you can't be good be careful", then you should stop giving them money.

Nightynight · 16/04/2006 22:40

yes, spot on, it is emotional blackmail. Just lay down the rules and stick to 'em - that's what parents are expected to do!

colditz · 16/04/2006 22:46

Girls who have sex before their bodies are properly ready for it are prone to cervical cancer in later life, and no I cannot quote my sources but probably could given time and the inclination.

Girls who get pregnant before the age of 19 are prone to oesteoporosis in later life, as the pregnancy saps their bodies of calcium while they are still trying to build bone mass.

Those are the very real health risks, we all know that 15 and 16 year olds don't tend to have stds.

Expat, yes, 16 is legal in this country, 15 isn't. She is a minor. in a worst case scenario, he could be accused of sex with a minor and Mears could be held up as an accomplice, IYSWIM, by allowing it in her house.

15 and 16 year olds do not always do the right thing, no matter how much preparation they have had. She is 15. If the condom splits, can she access the morning after pill? Would it occur to her to do so?

Janh · 16/04/2006 23:06

I should stop giving who money? I never gave them any money! Good grief, man, is this Fantasy Island?

marthamoo · 16/04/2006 23:16

Frogs, Janh - I think that's the word you were after Grin

GDG · 16/04/2006 23:19

Agree with Jools and Jan and my answer would be a very firm 'no'! The girl is 15!! Please.

JoolsToo · 16/04/2006 23:19

he makes it up as he goes along Jan!

frogs moo???????????????????

GDG · 16/04/2006 23:20

My God, I'm dreading teenage years....

Janh · 16/04/2006 23:25

Oh thank you, moo!

(What him down there is madder than a box of, JT Grin)

GDG · 16/04/2006 23:26

Or a bottle of chips

JoolsToo · 16/04/2006 23:37

tee-hee! Grin

marthamoo · 16/04/2006 23:41

Or a bucket of bananas...

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