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How DO you get the message through to your teen that THIS IS IT they have ONE CHANCE to try their hardest at school

233 replies

cyb · 19/08/2011 13:46

Because my D (nearly16) just does not get it.

La la la , yes I'll do it tomorrow, no on else is doing it, it DOESNT MATTER MUM, I've got ages before it has to be handed in, I'll do it when I've finished that other thing,I've lost the piece of paper la la la if I hear ONE MORE airy fairy wafty reason why she can't do her work .....

She's a clever girl, really clever and I think that's part of the problem, she can coast in subjects and do well but others are slipping.

She's part of an intervention programme her school have initiated to support girls who aren't achieveing their potential and even serious chats from head of years or Deputy heads only seem to elicit the same nods and 'yes I' will's' that never materialise.

TELL ME WHAT TO DO

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AnyFucker · 15/09/2011 17:21

The routine for homework ? < hollow laugh >

She puts it off, uses every avoidance tactic in the world, I nag her, threaten to remove phone glued to ear, she finally commits to half an hour of online study with massive strops and that is it

At the moment she is hiding in the bath (for the last hour)

Is that a routine ? Don't answer that...

GnomeDePlume · 15/09/2011 17:52

AF I think you said upstream that your daughter had enjoyed the attention of a tutor. Have you considered a life coach for your daughter? Is there anyone she could speak to about where she wants her life to go? It does sound like she is at a crossroads and perhaps some mentoring might help.

Apologies if that just sounds like hippy nonesense! I dont mean it to!

AnyFucker · 15/09/2011 18:08

All suggestions welcomed !

breadandbutterfly · 15/09/2011 19:31

AF - I have to nag my (considerably younger) DD to do her homework and get moans and rolled eyes etc. But the difference is I know she is v motivated. She wants to go to Oxbridge, as I did, or do Fashion at St Martin's, depending on her mood. She's v competitive and wants to be the best. So reminding her of her long term goals helps to motivate her to work even when she doesn't want to (she's naturally fairly lazy; or maybe more fairly, she likes to follow her own star and not be pinned down by what her school dictates she should do that day). She's also always done well academically so wants to live up to her own and others' high expectations.

What you do if you have a kid with low/no expectations and without a habit of success? I'm not sure. I suppose you start by believing in them, even when they don't believe in themselves - I think that is probably the main reason my dd has done well so far; high expectations. I remember teaching her to read and her saying over and over that she 'couldn't' read this or that and my saying 'yes you can, I know you can', and she could. Maybe that was easy for me because I've always been an academic high achiever so transferred those expectations onto her. Maybe you need to up your self-belief and belief in her?

When I look at the 16-18 year olds I teach, all I see is enormous, amazing potential. They can do so much, achieve so much. The world is their oyster, even if they don't know it. I'm determined to get them through their easy peasy qualifications because frankly it will take so little effort on their part, but might be the difference between making the shortlist or not, getting that first step on the ladder, in the fairly near future. I do believe in all of them, even though (because? Grin ) I don't know them at all.

Obviously, it's easier with other people's kids because there is none of the personal, deep-rooted angst and confrontation that you get between children and their own parents. But you obviously care, deeply. So you just need to find a way to transfer that caring into something your dd understands as positive rather than something your dd reads as nagging or pressure.

FWIW, if it was my dd I'd be sitting her down and asking her exactly where she saw herself next year/in a few years/in her ideal world etc. And then encouraging her to look at exactly what was her preferred route of getting there. At her age, she should be positive, inspired, excited about what she can do.

Unfortunately, at that age, many teenagers (I was one) have no idea of this - the world seems scary and unknown and harsh. She is at the perfect age - every possibility is open, no doors have closed. She should be drunk on the excitement of that position, not on alcopops or cheap cider. It took me until my 30s before I realised that - wish I'd understood that earlier. So I do try to get that message across to my dc.

Sorry - rather lengthy and a bit full of 'I's'. Blush

breadandbutterfly · 15/09/2011 19:37

One more thing (on a roll) - the genius is 99% perspiration and only 1% inspiration thing. I think many young people now (influence of reality tv shows, x-factor etc?) see success as something that happens by luck, by being in the right place at the right time, when their innate brilliance is recognised. Whereas the rather more mundane reality for most of us is that success is built on years of hard work. Boring but true. Maybe you need to sit down and explain how you achieved what you have and how hard you worked to do that - that it didn't magically fall into your lap but was the result of a lot of hard work. Which can be dull, yes, but the important things in life are worth working for.

AnyFucker · 15/09/2011 20:45

bread, you speak much sense

No, all I have did not fall in my lap

in fact, there were many obstacles in my way

there are no obstacles in my dc's way

except those of their own making

breadandbutterfly · 16/09/2011 08:45

Fear of success can be as great as fear of failure.

Feel like a Chinese sage - platitudes at this time of the morning.

SpringHeeledJack · 16/09/2011 19:45

have adopted helicopter approach this week, after letting him get on with it himself (on everyone's advice) last year Hmm

so far have had- plate tectonics, Four Humours, the Oklahoma Dustbowl and the corncrake.

Bloody ell! -no wonder they get fed up- all ds tells me about school with any enthusiasm involves him splitting his trousers/someone getting "headtopped" during lunch break football, and that so-and-so told so-and-so that so-and-so has a tiny penis

I, however, can only reflect that youth/education is wasted on the young- they should all have to perform menial tasks till around the age of 19, then get let loose on education. Bet they'd take to it like ducks to water.

the buggers

I myself would happily study the corncrake every day if it meant I didn't have to cook tea. Rrrrrrrrrr.

AnyFucker · 16/09/2011 19:59

SHJ, we are at the same place

last year (yr 10) we backed off

that was a bloody failure (predicted grades dipped from C/B to D's)

this week I am machine gun mother

she studies or 1) does not leave the house except for school 2) does not have use of her phone 3) has plug cut off tv 4) does not get fed

dunno how long I can maintain it...am exhausted already (and have tinnitus from the shouts of "I am tired, I don't want to study on a Fri night, you are ruining my life, leave me alone etc"

< disclaimer; (4) might be a lie >

WhoresHairKnickers · 17/09/2011 09:58

"you are ruining my life, leave me alone etc" I get this from Ds AF maybe there's a website they get this from...

AnyFucker · 17/09/2011 11:45

I think they teach it in Year 7, WHK

it's a special module

also included is "you can't tell me what to do" "you don't know what it's like to be a teenager" "all my mates are allowed to do X, Y and Z" "you treat me like a kid when I am an adult"

ad infinitum

WhoresHairKnickers · 17/09/2011 12:12

Grin Those aren't in common usage with Ds yet, but I'm sure I'll be like this Grin when I next hear those!

KISSME · 19/09/2011 14:05

How do you deal with an agressive son.

SpringHeeledJack · 19/09/2011 14:54

kissme I'd start a new thread if I were you,that way you'll prob get more responses

look under 'Teenagers' and click where it says 'start a new thread in this section'

hth Smile

sararuth · 20/09/2011 10:26

Lucky you.

I am having so much trouble with my 12yr old son. He is so bright but just lazy. I found out last week that he had been reported to his form teacher 3 times already this term but he won't tell me what for. When looking through books at the weekend discovered he hadn't done two maths homeworks.

I then discovered this morning that he has been given school rules to write out as well for messing about at break time.

He won't work at home and won't even sort out his bag for the next day. There is always something left sitting on his desk because he 'forgot' to put it in.

I am really at the end of my patience and it is causing friction at home because I won't take a softly softly approach to it.

Can someone please tell me I am not losing my mind and that there are other children like him out there.

SpringHeeledJack · 20/09/2011 17:14

mine is/was just the same, sara

he's in Y10 now and has sort of pulled his socks up- mostly because I am breathing down his neck showing a keen interest, and because he has something to aim for with his GCSEs (or so he says)

Mind you it's only been a couple of weeks so far so am desperately hoping that the sheer novelty of doing a bit of work for a change doesn't wear off Grin

brdgrl · 20/09/2011 23:07

DH and I have just come up with a plan for DSS (14). Here's hoping...

Every night at 9:00, it is homework check. He has to bring us his homework diary, and the finished work (if he needs a bit of help with something, one of us works with him). DH looks at what is written in the diary, and initials it or writes a comment.

One problem is that DSS lies or forgets about having homework, and doesn't put it in the diary. There is always some story if we find out - but most of the time, we haven't found out, and then his report comes back saying he's not doing work, or doing it badly and sloppily...

DSS wants us to trust him - but he's shown he can't quite manage "his way". So, we'll do as above for the next month. And then, at the end of that, DH is going to see his tutor, and he's taking the homework diary. And then we'll see if DSS has been accurate in his diary and if his work is improving. IF this has been enough, great. We rather suspect it won't be...

Currently, Xbox ends at 9. Internet goes off (for DSS) at 11. If the meeting with his tutor isn't good, then we are taking xbox away altogether during the week. This is going to be a huge shift - and DSS is going to completely lose his cool! - which is why we are giving him a chance to make it work, first.

We wish we could get more help and communication from the school, but really, they don't make it easy.

I really wish they'd put the homework assignments up on the school website.

WhoresHairKnickers · 21/09/2011 00:17

Blimey! internet off at 11pm for a 14yo? I don't let my Ds onto the laptop for his game until he's finished his homework this school year. His bed time is 9.30.

brdgrl · 21/09/2011 00:48

Oh, I know! It's ridiculous. You don't have to tell me...

Problem is, we are starting from a situation where he's been allowed to have a laptop in his room, and internet on all the time...believe me, this is NOT my idea of a good thing. But now we are trying to turn a train around, you know? (Short version - I've been married to his dad for a year. He's a widower, and after the kids' mum died, he kinda let them get away without any boundaries for a long time...knows it needs fixing, and we're working on it, but old habits...)

DSS claims he needs to listen to podcasts to fall asleep. Like you, I think its nonsense. Which is why I guess we are giving him a chanc eto prove it works, even as we know it DOESN'T - because then we have our 'evidence', so to speak...

Will be a different universe for our baby DD...

WhoresHairKnickers · 21/09/2011 10:42

Sorry, I wasn't critising you, although I know it must've come across that way. You are up against the tide, but I guess that you will see the low tide at some point and maybe more able to deal with those boundaries then ~ lead I hope, by his father :)

My own Ds (13y) says he goes to sleep better and easier whilst listening to his music, though I'm not really convinced My Chemical Romance is lullaby material! however, there's been many occasions I've had to remove his ear phones, with him having fallen asleep listening to it!! I have no idea how he does it though!

brdgrl · 21/09/2011 12:25

oh, no, i wasn't offended! :)

WhoresHairKnickers · 21/09/2011 15:07

Good! and good luck with Dss too! :)

Sonnet · 27/09/2011 16:54

I am so glad I have found this thread.
I have a DD aged 14 (almost 15) who has just started in year 10 and I won't bore you with the details as it has all been covered "up thread" Smile

AF - Do you think your DD is scared?. Scared of failure or not keeping up with her friends? Scared that she has got behind with her work and overwelmed with what she has to do?
I apologise if you have done this already but would it be helpful to create a study and revsion plan at the lowest level? Splitting each subject down to sub topic level and levels within that. Providing a daily plan in bitesite chunks.

SpringHeeledJack · 28/09/2011 12:15

AF you faring any better?

ds's Good Start has started to run out of steam. Yesterday he was in pit of despair over English homework- offered to do it for him constructive help and he still couldn't be arsed

then threw huuuuge wobbly when I (kindly but firmly) wouldn't let him play on his ds afterwards

gah

CAZ46 · 03/10/2011 17:00

Very difficult, been there, done that with my 16 year old boy. He needed 6 GCSE Bs to stay on at grammar and didnt get them so unable to stay at grammar school for a levels. Had to change schools. Very big shock for him and a wake up call. For years we have tried to support him, nag him but in the end you can only do the best you can and they have to learn for themselves. Fortunately he is now working hard for his a levels but a hard lesson to learn. x

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