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I’m broke, what can take the place of Botox?

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FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 27/06/2026 21:07

I’ve been getting my 11s, forehead, and crows feet done for about 3/4 years, usually every 7-8 months.

But now I’m broke, and my crows feet in particular are beginning to bother me, and my left eyelid feels a bit droopy and uncomfortable.

Is there anything that remotely compares? I can’t use tret, i have eczema and my skin can’t take it.

Does anyone have any ideas? Please?

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BrentfordForever · 28/06/2026 22:03

rapid3874greekyoghurt · 28/06/2026 21:42

But again - why does hiding your naturally beautiful lined skin with Botox make you feel more confident? Have you genuinely asked yourself this and been honest with yourself? Why not celebrate your age and your aging faces? To age is a privilege.

But tbf it’s incomparable …. Are we trying to compare , standing in front of the mirror and looking at our droopy jowls against looking at a smooth radiant complexion

well done to anyone who accepts getting old, I’m too young inside, I am way more energetic than my own kids , so now way I am accepting looking my age yet 🤷🏻‍♀️

FateAmenableToChange · 28/06/2026 22:06

Lots of men get Botox too, wanting to look younger is not sex specific today. My ex got it more often I did. Although for sure more pressure on women. I just had this 1 eleven line, which I hated and looked off centre and kind of angry. Glad it’s gone.

The only other thing that works is probably tret. You cld try a prescription version (do a trial with dermatica or similar) and just put it on your elevens. Minimal exposure.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 28/06/2026 22:13

rapid3874greekyoghurt · 28/06/2026 21:47

At no point did I infer that if you have Botox you don’t care about anything else. I only questioned, WHY are so many women buying into the socially manufactured pressure that aging and wrinkles are bad, being and looking younger is good, and why are we compounding the decades long systemic belief that women hold more value in society if they are beautiful and young. Aren’t we worth more than that?

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Mate you’ve really killed the point of my thread. No more advice, just people droning on as if I’m gonna change my mind about my own face, at the age of 46, based on strangers’ dogma.

Well done 👍

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FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 28/06/2026 22:13

BotoxOrPuffins · 28/06/2026 21:55

Thank you, I was looking for one and couldn't agree more!

Aw YES! 😁😁😁

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FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 28/06/2026 22:15

rapid3874greekyoghurt · 28/06/2026 21:42

But again - why does hiding your naturally beautiful lined skin with Botox make you feel more confident? Have you genuinely asked yourself this and been honest with yourself? Why not celebrate your age and your aging faces? To age is a privilege.

To age is a privilege is my most hated anti-botox comment.

I’m not dead yet so it’s wrong to care about how I look?

What does that even mean. How are they related.

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Petrine · 28/06/2026 22:16

rapid3874greekyoghurt · 28/06/2026 21:55

Misageyny is rife. Older women are mocked, marginalised and erased (Westwood 2023) in almost all spheres of life - through the media, in the workplace, on the street, and even in their own homes (Gordon 2020)

https://www.slsa.ac.uk/post/misageyny-equality-law-and-the-bias-against-older-women

‘Older women are mocked, marginalised and erased’… .

What a massive generalisation!

My response, as an actual old person, is that this isn’t my experience. Nor has it been the experience of those I know.

Megifer · 28/06/2026 22:17

rapid3874greekyoghurt · 28/06/2026 21:47

At no point did I infer that if you have Botox you don’t care about anything else. I only questioned, WHY are so many women buying into the socially manufactured pressure that aging and wrinkles are bad, being and looking younger is good, and why are we compounding the decades long systemic belief that women hold more value in society if they are beautiful and young. Aren’t we worth more than that?

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I dont think ive ever looked at another woman (or man) and thought anything negative about their wrinkles. I just started not liking mine that much.

gillefc82 · 28/06/2026 22:33

Petrine · 28/06/2026 21:42

I’m 71 and I’ve never been ‘classified by society as looking bad’. Nor have any of my friends of similar ages. None of us feel pressured into doing anything we don’t want to do.

I don’t know how old you are or why you rage against society as you appear to do. Just get on with your own life and leave others to theirs.

I completely agree - each to their own. I respect not everyone will agree with tinkering with the natural process of ageing but I struggle to understand why anyone feels the need to comment and judge people for making a different personal choice?

I also think that if it becomes acceptable to deride people for choosing to have cosmetic procedures/ aesthetic treatments, one that they feel helps them look younger/feel more attractive etc, where do we then draw the line?

Is buying and using an off the shelf face cream from Boots ok, but paying for prescription skincare a step too far? Should we all stop colouring our hair and gracefully embrace the greys? What about waxing, nails, spray tans? I could go on….

More importantly, who becomes the arbiter of what is deemed an acceptable level of self care, before it slips into vapid, excessive and societally damaging? Like it or not, we still live in a very patriarchal society, so would it be up to men to determine what women could or couldn’t do to maintain/alter their appearance?

I get Botox because it makes me feel good about myself. At 44, being in the throes of perimenopause, and with my own body often feeling like a stranger, changing in unpleasant and unpredictable ways, that boost to my self confidence is invaluable.

Me having some Botox 2-3 times a year isn’t harming anyone else. I’m not aware of botched Botox procedures costing the NHS multi-millions each year to put right. I don’t eulogise about it to every woman I meet in an attempt to convert them into becoming a member of the evil Botox cult. I can pay for it comfortably myself without going into debt. My DH is happy with how I look and the choices I make to help that happen so long as I’m happy (although bless him, he tells me he thinks I’m gorgeous regardless). Most importantly - it’s my body, my choice and my business!

I’m astounded at the audacity some PPs have to preach at and condemn other women for the personal choices they make, all under the guise and justification of feminism! A core tenet of which is all about ensuring women have the autonomy to make their own choices about their own bodies, health, and lives, free from coercion or abuse.

Instead of tearing down those who choose a different path for themselves and their bodies, surely we’d all be better served if we just accepted and respected a women’s right to make choices that may differ from yours, but have been made with autonomy and self determination, and so are no less valid.

abracadabra1980 · 28/06/2026 22:39

HelenHywater · 27/06/2026 21:36

Well given you can't afford it, you have no choice but to accept it do you?

I found that after about 49 my eyesight deteriorated so I could no longer clearly see any blemishes or wrinkles and after the menopause, I no longer cared.

Agree with this. I dabbled a bit in my early 40s bit and occasionally it went well, but sometimes not. It once made my forehead twice the size and

my eyelids squished in the centre, so they looked like they needed ironing out/made eyes look smaller. Glasses helped hide bags - I do love my glasses. I rocked on towards menopause and NOTHING prepared me for the collapse in my body. Wrinkles are so 'yesterday' now I have these new appearance issues to deal with. Everything just sags. And I'm talking internal bits and bobs, too! And don't even get me started on the dehydration aspects. I'm now more concerned that I can actually see (through my gritty, dry eyes) and that my bottom is not sore as my post menopausal dehydrated skin has caused me endless issues down there. I simply haven't got time to try and fix my face, so I am very au natural these days-it's ok, but good luck finding what makes you happy, OP.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 28/06/2026 22:41

gillefc82 · 28/06/2026 22:33

I completely agree - each to their own. I respect not everyone will agree with tinkering with the natural process of ageing but I struggle to understand why anyone feels the need to comment and judge people for making a different personal choice?

I also think that if it becomes acceptable to deride people for choosing to have cosmetic procedures/ aesthetic treatments, one that they feel helps them look younger/feel more attractive etc, where do we then draw the line?

Is buying and using an off the shelf face cream from Boots ok, but paying for prescription skincare a step too far? Should we all stop colouring our hair and gracefully embrace the greys? What about waxing, nails, spray tans? I could go on….

More importantly, who becomes the arbiter of what is deemed an acceptable level of self care, before it slips into vapid, excessive and societally damaging? Like it or not, we still live in a very patriarchal society, so would it be up to men to determine what women could or couldn’t do to maintain/alter their appearance?

I get Botox because it makes me feel good about myself. At 44, being in the throes of perimenopause, and with my own body often feeling like a stranger, changing in unpleasant and unpredictable ways, that boost to my self confidence is invaluable.

Me having some Botox 2-3 times a year isn’t harming anyone else. I’m not aware of botched Botox procedures costing the NHS multi-millions each year to put right. I don’t eulogise about it to every woman I meet in an attempt to convert them into becoming a member of the evil Botox cult. I can pay for it comfortably myself without going into debt. My DH is happy with how I look and the choices I make to help that happen so long as I’m happy (although bless him, he tells me he thinks I’m gorgeous regardless). Most importantly - it’s my body, my choice and my business!

I’m astounded at the audacity some PPs have to preach at and condemn other women for the personal choices they make, all under the guise and justification of feminism! A core tenet of which is all about ensuring women have the autonomy to make their own choices about their own bodies, health, and lives, free from coercion or abuse.

Instead of tearing down those who choose a different path for themselves and their bodies, surely we’d all be better served if we just accepted and respected a women’s right to make choices that may differ from yours, but have been made with autonomy and self determination, and so are no less valid.

👏👏👏👏👏

This is what I find frustrating. Most on here moaning probably see their hair or get their nails done, etc. They’ve squared that in their minds. So there’s an invisible line they’ve drawn, fine, but you can only draw it for yourself, nobody else.

And lecturing and hectoring ain’t gonna make it happen!

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Honeyhonay · 28/06/2026 22:48

rapid3874greekyoghurt · 28/06/2026 21:42

But again - why does hiding your naturally beautiful lined skin with Botox make you feel more confident? Have you genuinely asked yourself this and been honest with yourself? Why not celebrate your age and your aging faces? To age is a privilege.

Why do you brush your hair? Why do people moisturise? Why do many women wear makeup?
Women are allowed to do things that make them feel better, you taking it as an attack on your looks is simply a you problem.

2O26 · 28/06/2026 23:33

One of my dad's eyelids was drooping and impaired his vision. He was given an eye lift free of charge because it was affecting his vision.

People used to say I have such beautiful, big, dark brown eyes. Now, however, both of my eyelids droop, making my eyes look small and squinty. To fix this, I get Botox to lift them back up. It looks natural, and my eyes look like they did when I was younger. At some point, I may need surgery, but until then, I will get Botox every four months. I was told not to get Botox on my forehead because that can cause eyelids to droop. I can live with my frown lines, but I hate having droopy eyelids.

OP, I completely understand wanting to get Botox.

Freyarw · 29/06/2026 06:46

Microneedling is excellent, but also not cheap. Skincare-wise your best bet is high-strength Tretinoin cream. It’s prescribed between 0.025% and 0.1% and probably the closest thing to “botox in a tube”. Dermatology pharmacies like Monderma sell it for £15-20. Worth a try.

bafta16 · 29/06/2026 07:35

My whole face is like a melted candle or tupperware that's been near a cooker.
My eyelids are very hooded and I have dreadful deep marionette lines. Also awful teeth.

It would cost thousands and thousands ( which I absolutely do no have, nor will I every have ) to make a dent in this.
I do spend a fair bit on my hair and refuse do go down the short back and sides look.

Hellohelga · 29/06/2026 09:11

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 28/06/2026 21:18

I call shenanigans on this one.

I have girls. Grown up ones and late teens.

One is obsessed with horses, and will do anything to be near a horse, spending days on end at stables, mucking out all that jazz.

One has danced since she was 3, born to be grinding away at her craft in the dance studio daily.

One is super introverted, loves animals, science, walks, gaming, coding etc.

Each one of them has focused on their looks, appearance, fashion sense. From hair dyes, hair removal, nails, trending clothes, eyebrows lashes etc.

They have a good skin care routine, love to try out new make up trends and enjoy sharing them with each other.

It took nothing away from who they are as individuals, their personalities, their likes and dislikes.

You seem to be suggesting that people who are focused on their appearance couldn't possibly have the heads pace for walks, hikes, nature, music etc.

If thats what your suggesting, then maybe you should look inside at your own internalised misogyny and figure out why you feel like that.

You’ve misunderstood me. My DD and friends also love hair, make up, nails and fashion. But they none of them have any interest in lip fillers, Botox, turkey teeth etc. They consider this going too far in the pursuit of beauty. Too much money, time, faff. The young women (not many) I know who do the tweakments - im talking lips, teeth, nose, tan, poss a bit of Botox, have a different focus in their life. Go climb a fell in the Lake District and you won’t find any of these women on the top of it.

Honeyhonay · 29/06/2026 09:15

Hellohelga · 29/06/2026 09:11

You’ve misunderstood me. My DD and friends also love hair, make up, nails and fashion. But they none of them have any interest in lip fillers, Botox, turkey teeth etc. They consider this going too far in the pursuit of beauty. Too much money, time, faff. The young women (not many) I know who do the tweakments - im talking lips, teeth, nose, tan, poss a bit of Botox, have a different focus in their life. Go climb a fell in the Lake District and you won’t find any of these women on the top of it.

You’re being ridiculous. Women like you are actually the worst enemy of women, you’re so misogynistic and narrow minded.

BrentfordForever · 29/06/2026 09:24

Freyarw · 29/06/2026 06:46

Microneedling is excellent, but also not cheap. Skincare-wise your best bet is high-strength Tretinoin cream. It’s prescribed between 0.025% and 0.1% and probably the closest thing to “botox in a tube”. Dermatology pharmacies like Monderma sell it for £15-20. Worth a try.

Good shout

@FloodlightsOnTheSquare I do this at home with Dr Pen (cheap on eBay)

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 29/06/2026 09:26

Hellohelga · 29/06/2026 09:11

You’ve misunderstood me. My DD and friends also love hair, make up, nails and fashion. But they none of them have any interest in lip fillers, Botox, turkey teeth etc. They consider this going too far in the pursuit of beauty. Too much money, time, faff. The young women (not many) I know who do the tweakments - im talking lips, teeth, nose, tan, poss a bit of Botox, have a different focus in their life. Go climb a fell in the Lake District and you won’t find any of these women on the top of it.

Ah stop. Are you honestly saying women can’t be interested in more than one thing? You’re either sporty or beauty obsessed? Nobody who has ever climbed a Munro, for example, would ever consider Botox?

Absolutely baffled 🤷‍♀️

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LunaTheCat · 29/06/2026 09:28

I am in France … it’s so hot that I can’t do any of the things I had planned so I booked myself a facial. It was a completely different experience.. instead concentrating a lot on lotions and potions there was a lot specific lymphatic drainage type massage and the therapist was very keen that I notice the “lift” in my face …she did half my face at a time.
I asked if there was uptake Botox in France and she said no.. they rely on massage and some products.
It was a very eye opening experience.

kitchenchaosargh · 29/06/2026 09:37

my adult daughters have both told me that if I have botox or injectables I’m setting a bad example and they’ll be disappointed with me. They’re gorgeous 20 somethings though, not slightly creased 50 something!

bafta16 · 29/06/2026 09:40

It was a very eye opening experience

Literally

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 29/06/2026 09:44

kitchenchaosargh · 29/06/2026 09:37

my adult daughters have both told me that if I have botox or injectables I’m setting a bad example and they’ll be disappointed with me. They’re gorgeous 20 somethings though, not slightly creased 50 something!

Tell them to bugger off 🤣

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Megifer · 29/06/2026 09:58

Hellohelga · 29/06/2026 09:11

You’ve misunderstood me. My DD and friends also love hair, make up, nails and fashion. But they none of them have any interest in lip fillers, Botox, turkey teeth etc. They consider this going too far in the pursuit of beauty. Too much money, time, faff. The young women (not many) I know who do the tweakments - im talking lips, teeth, nose, tan, poss a bit of Botox, have a different focus in their life. Go climb a fell in the Lake District and you won’t find any of these women on the top of it.

Yea I had no interest in face serums and lifts and peels and whatever was around when I was younger and didnt want it

Hellohelga · 29/06/2026 10:45

Honeyhonay · 29/06/2026 09:15

You’re being ridiculous. Women like you are actually the worst enemy of women, you’re so misogynistic and narrow minded.

It’s not misogynistic to feel women shouldn’t need to change their faces with surgeries and injecting stuff into it. Narrow minded maybe, or maybe just a different opinion to you and the OP.

Hellohelga · 29/06/2026 10:46

kitchenchaosargh · 29/06/2026 09:37

my adult daughters have both told me that if I have botox or injectables I’m setting a bad example and they’ll be disappointed with me. They’re gorgeous 20 somethings though, not slightly creased 50 something!

They are right.