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Mary Earps' dress on SPOTY

207 replies

MaggieFS · 19/12/2023 21:34

Is it even a dress?

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Mummyoflittledragon · 20/12/2023 12:12

shearwater2 · 20/12/2023 06:27

What scale?

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The scale being the difference between outer and underwear. My top is a camisole with a bit of a lace trim, ergo a hint of underwear rather than overtly so.

Movinghouseatlast · 20/12/2023 12:12

NashvilleQueen · 20/12/2023 12:08

She looked like she was about to have sex, which is what men like to see.

I don't think you can post 'I'm a feminist' and this comment in the same breath

I honestly don't understand that comment. To me she looked like she was in 'sexy' underwear meant for the bedroom. That dress is aimed at the male gaze, men ( not all of them) enjoy seeing women in underwear like that.

shearwater2 · 20/12/2023 12:29

Movinghouseatlast · 20/12/2023 12:12

I honestly don't understand that comment. To me she looked like she was in 'sexy' underwear meant for the bedroom. That dress is aimed at the male gaze, men ( not all of them) enjoy seeing women in underwear like that.

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So what?

Who cares what men think?

BeadedBubbles · 20/12/2023 12:40

*The trouble with 'if you've got it flaunt it' is that it often plays to the male gaze. To me that dress summed up porn in the mainstream- it was lingerie dressed up as a dress. She looked like she was about to have sex, which is what men like to see.

There is no male equivalent because generally women don't objectify men and dress them up to be a visual stimulant.*

^^
Totally agree with this. And she's seen as a role model for young women ...

StarlightLady · 20/12/2023 12:44

I want to marry her; it’s legal now 🌈👩‍❤️‍👩

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 12:55

And she's seen as a role model for young women ...

Her choice of outfit doesn't change this.

antheea · 20/12/2023 13:03

HeddaGarbled · 19/12/2023 22:35

But a man winning SPOTY wouldn’t be exposing lacy knickers. It’s not anti-feminist to point that out.

Exactly. If a man wore an outfit, with his underwear exposed, to collect a SPOTY award then it would attract comment also. And this is Style and Beauty.

antheea · 20/12/2023 13:08

NashvilleQueen · 20/12/2023 12:07

I am reminded of this account of Sarah Millican who, having felt wonderful getting dressed up for an awards ceremony, cried in the car on the way home because people were horrible about her dress. Mary Earps doesn't need her achievement overshadowed because some people didn't like the outfit she wore.

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/sarah-millican-thanks-for-not-letting-your-baftas-balloon-burst-in-vain/

Sarah Millican was dressed nothing like Mary Earps. Nothing controversial about her dress at all. I think she looked lovely.

crumblingschools · 20/12/2023 13:13

For those saying she looked fab, great figure, athletic, young etc. and criticising posters who may have questioned the choice of dress, are you saying only woman who look like Mary can wear a dress like that? If I could possibly squeeze my short, fat arsed, dumpy menopausal body into an outfit like that would you be saying I look wonderful?

NashvilleQueen · 20/12/2023 13:18

Sarah Millican was dressed nothing like Mary Earps. Nothing controversial about her dress at all. I think she looked lovely.

The point i was making is that women in the public eye for their job shouldn't be made to feel like shit because other people didn't like their dress or decide that it's 'controversial'. You may have liked Sarah Millican's dress but many others didn't and felt very confident in saying that online. I'm not sure the approach here is much different?

BeadedBubbles · 20/12/2023 13:26

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 12:55

And she's seen as a role model for young women ...

Her choice of outfit doesn't change this.

Sadly you're probably right.

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 13:50

Sadly you're probably right.

She's a wonderful role model. A far better role model than some of the misogynists on this thread.

antheea · 20/12/2023 14:10

NashvilleQueen · 20/12/2023 13:18

Sarah Millican was dressed nothing like Mary Earps. Nothing controversial about her dress at all. I think she looked lovely.

The point i was making is that women in the public eye for their job shouldn't be made to feel like shit because other people didn't like their dress or decide that it's 'controversial'. You may have liked Sarah Millican's dress but many others didn't and felt very confident in saying that online. I'm not sure the approach here is much different?

Showing underwear is probably quite controversial though and such an unusual dress is going to stand out and attract comment (such words have already been used to describe the dress on this thread). Re. Sarah Millican's dress. I suppose there will be people who find florals offensive, or not dressy enough for an awards ceremony, but it was quite an ordinary dress really.

I don't think Mary Earps will be surprised that such an unusual dress attracted comment, and even criticism.

DarkDuvet · 20/12/2023 14:29

Movinghouseatlast · 20/12/2023 12:06

I'm a feminist through and through and I thought the dress was ill thought out.

The trouble with 'if you've got it flaunt it' is that it often plays to the male gaze. To me that dress summed up porn in the mainstream- it was lingerie dressed up as a dress. She looked like she was about to have sex, which is what men like to see.

There is no male equivalent because generally women don't objectify men and dress them up to be a visual stimulant.

I guess tge equivalent might be if Gary Lineker had showed up in tight leather bondage gear and a gimp mask or maybe a sailor suit.

I'm all for women wearing what they want but I think often women have internalised what men want to see/ what men consider sexy and attractive.

I agree with this.

I also think it does affect her as a role model for young girls. Rather than being accepted as a footballer, it plays to the Love Island stereotype that what is sexy/looks good is this semi naked look.

I find it quite depressing

LlynTegid · 20/12/2023 16:44

Most sports stars, female or male, seem to feel uncomfortable in whatever they wear for such an occasion.

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 17:06

Rather than being accepted as a footballer, it plays to the Love Island stereotype that what is sexy/looks good is this semi naked look.

Why can't she be both?
Sounds like you want people to stick to their stereotypes.

crumblingschools · 20/12/2023 17:10

Not sure anyone should be aiming for the Love Island stereotype

jasflowers · 20/12/2023 17:19

crumblingschools · 20/12/2023 13:13

For those saying she looked fab, great figure, athletic, young etc. and criticising posters who may have questioned the choice of dress, are you saying only woman who look like Mary can wear a dress like that? If I could possibly squeeze my short, fat arsed, dumpy menopausal body into an outfit like that would you be saying I look wonderful?

Well, you can't pour a quart into a pint glass.

Its a great shame that women deem it more important to have a go at her over her choice of dress, instead of her achievements and her long term goal to get more girls into sport.

She can wear whatever she likes, if i didn't like the dress i wouldn't comment on it, unless she was a model and showing it off on a cat walk.

She was at a Sports award show, its irrelevant what she wore.

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 17:24

crumblingschools · 20/12/2023 17:10

Not sure anyone should be aiming for the Love Island stereotype

But so what if she does? Why does it matter if she wants to look overtly sexy?
Doesn't make her any less of a footballer.

Nobody had an issue with David Beckham posing in tiny pants for Armani. People weren't debating whether that made him less of a role model.

catotangent · 20/12/2023 17:46

Nobody had an issue with David Beckham posing in tiny pants for Armani. People weren't debating whether that made him less of a role model.

I don't think he wore them to an award ceremony. Then I think there might have been some debate. Wink

crumblingschools · 20/12/2023 17:48

Did David Beckham go to an awards ceremony just wearing Armani pants?

And I see very few male footballers as role models to young boys/children especially when they start going down the full on celebrity route

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 17:59

I bet people wouldn't be declaring him a poor role model though or questioning his accomplishments.

And she didn't wear underwear to the ceremony. It was a dress.

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2023 18:00

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 17:59

I bet people wouldn't be declaring him a poor role model though or questioning his accomplishments.

And she didn't wear underwear to the ceremony. It was a dress.

Nobody’s questioning her accomplishments, just her dress sense.

ElaineMBenes · 20/12/2023 18:07

Nobody’s questioning her accomplishments, just her dress sense.

So her dress sense makes her less of a role model? Because that's what has been suggested.
It doesn't matter what she's achieved professionally because choosing to dress sexily apparently undermines that.
What a load of misogynistic bullshit.

jasflowers · 20/12/2023 18:15

BIossomtoes · 20/12/2023 18:00

Nobody’s questioning her accomplishments, just her dress sense.

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..and by doing so, thats exactly what they done, minimised her achievements, all about the dress.

Just as was done to Rachael Reeves and her book on women and their achievements in politics, very soon became all about "you plagiarised some bio's"

Whats sad is in both cases, its women putting down other women for trivia, ignoring the substance, shame on you.