The orange skin/fake lashes/massive eyebrows type of look…

[CommuterMummy]

Fake nails, fake hair, fake everything really… where does that originate and why does anything think they look good in it?
Yes I know, we are all free to do what we like, of course. But honestly, I find it so bizarre and truly ugly, nobody ever looks good with it, it’s so bad.
How does one become convinced that’s the way to go to look good!?

@VioletCharlotte

Yep. I cringe when I think what I looked like! I never thought about smoothing in foundation. Just slapped it on. I wore blue mascara. Navy is fine but Princess Di blue not so much! I also wore Mary Quant Chic cherry lipstick (think of a black cherry). Fine if you are super pale and cool colouring. Not so much if you are warm coloured. Mum called it my heart attack lipstick!

Yes. And you're probably right in fairness. It crops up a lot on anti aging threads. Some women who don't want to subscribe to the anti aging culture are resentful of other women they see as gaining an unfair advantage by 'cheating' with procedures, rather than us all growing old gracefully and it being the great equaliser.
Its a shame really because it's not a competition. Views on the look we're discussing tend to be pretty polarised, with as many women and men disliking the look as liking it. Its certainly not the must have look for all young women ime, its just one style amongst several, and I know only a few young women who go in for it in real life.

I remember that Lippy. I was deathly pale though and it didn’t suit me either. Along with my black, gothy clothing, my Dad used to ask me if I was going to be a pallbearer.

Overall food in Oz is way better, but I did use to love a good mince pie in NZ.

Sorry but that's, well, nonsense really.

It's horses for courses - for every person who likes that look I bet there's another who doesn't - for every person who is attracted to a woman with that look I bet there's another who isn't

Your DP should learn some manners then. Fair enough that it's not a look he finds attractive - no issue there- but "visibly shuddering"- get a grip.

(And no I'm not being defensive- I don't use any beauty treatments beyond hiding grey hair)

Well I was dressed as a punk back in the day so I won’t criticise anyone.

As other posters have said it’s fashion innit.

There is a definite class/ tribe aspect to it. My dds don’t even know anyone who does lashes/ extensions/ fake tan. I know their friends and see photos and I can’t think of one out of hundreds who is more ‘altered’ than a couple of piercings/ small tattoo/ highlights maybe. They’re Londoners, 20s government and third sector.

Well, I looked like Morticia Addams on a budget when I was younger, so I really try not to judge, mostly.

Ha same

I'm finding as I get older turned 30 last week I'm finding less is more. I get my hair highlighted , subtle Botox , tiny bit of filler , facials. I do my own manicures. I wear very little makeup makeup it's all about the skin care , many people say wow you look fresh etc. I think the orange matte fake look is so aging!

At 64 I'm struggling to get my head around the idea that you need fillers and botox at only 30 TBH.

Botox is better preventative it's not as good getting it once you have very deep lines. I also get it in my jaw to stop teeth grinding it's a myth that it's just used for wrinkles. I have lost a lot of weight and noticed I'd lost some fullness around my cheeks and nose to lip area so had a small amount of filler put in. I don't have any in my lips people don't know I've had anything done , you shouldn't if it's done well.

How long have you been having botox for ? I didn't feel the need for it in my 20's as I was still young and fresh faced.

About 6-9 months I only have it on my forehead as I have strong muscles. Jaw I've been having done longer as I grind my teeth in my sleep.

Getting botox and fillers is not minimalist or less is more, IMO. That's my problem with current beauty trends. Injectable appear to be the same as getting a hair cut. They are not. Especially not in your 20s or 30s.

I think the other thing about extreme fake tan really being pushed out as something women need to look good is that generally speaking, women in the Northern hemisphere are lighter skinned so this can be sold to them as a product they need, whereas in other countries where the average woman has darker skin, skin whitening/lightening products are pushed out. The beauty industry is not going to make any money telling women they are ok as they are.

As Dolly Parton once said "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap*.

Not a fan, but I will say that I think the orange look is at least slightly toned down from the 2000s. I thought most celebs looked dirty through the amount of fake tan back then. Yuk!

I think that was different because it was more individual.

I did the blue mascara, perm and so on, but my friends looked different. I suppose because we didn't have access to online tutorial and everybody did their own thing.

I also get it in my jaw to stop teeth grinding it's a myth that it's just used for wrinkles.

Oh, that's fair enough. Yes, I knew botox isn't just for wrinkles. It can help migraine sufferes and people who sweat excessively as well.

I just wonder what the long term effect will be on young people who have fillers for purely cosmetic purposes now in say 30 or 40 years time.

I completely agree, it’s worrying that young women with unlined skin feel the need for fillers etc. I have never had it myself as I’m scared to and skint, but I can understand when you get older wanting to do something about wrinkles and lips do lose collagen as we get older. But at 18 it’s worrying and sad. Also breast enlargement when very young too, you just have no idea how your breasts could change with the pill/pregnancy etc.
I agree with the PP who said Love Island has a lot to answer for.

This is interesting, I can see how the lip fillers are a supernormal stimulus and bum implants that exaggerate the waist to hip ratio, but I’m not sure about the fake tan !

"Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t look at someone with filler in their face and think “she has money”. The time I’ve seen people who look like what the OP is describing actually in the flesh was on a work trip to Liverpool, and they looked distinctly like they were from a lower socio-economic group. One of them was the receptionist at the hotel, for example."

It can still be a status symbol though. Think of something like satellites - probably gave some people status to begin with, but then became looked down on.
Filler and botox I would think the person has money.
Orange tan probably not because a rich person could fly somewhere hot in the winter to get a natural tan.

There's a girl who used to be on Gogglebox who I thought was Asian until I realised it was fake tan. However, I wouldn't accuse her of 'blackfishing'. Would you say that about all the people in Africa who use whitening products?
And when white women have lip filler?

Don't you remember the moral panic about low hanging trousers?
People do comment on men's fashion trends as well.
I seem to remember David Beckham in a skirt being all over the papers...