This business about skinny jeans being over?

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I keep hearing it but I can't see any evidence.

Earlier this week I travelled almost the whole length of the District Line, from East London, through the City and West End out to Wimbledon and back, over the course of about 10 hours.

I'd say at least 97% of women, of all ages, from very young to not so young at all, were wearing either skinny jeans or very slim leg trousers. I saw one group of young women all wearing wide leg, ripped jeans and a few wearing joggers. That it. This would be a mixture of tourists, Londoners going about their business, working people and people out for the evening.

I had coffee in the City, lunch in a West End restaurant, drank in a swanky West London pub, attended a sporting event. Honestly skinnies everywhere.

I looked because I'd worn a skirt rather than skinny jeans and it was raining, so wide leg ones are horrible. Didn't see many skirts either Certainly very little evidence that no one's wearing skinnies any more.

here I am with my predictions

imho, when I scroll websites and see denim, I must admit the models wearing skinnies look better, to me.

I don't wear jeans at all so it isn't relevant, but I do think they create a nicer shape.

I also think the wide leg, frayed hem, balloon, mom, etc will very quickly date. And I mean quickly. Straight will likely persist, as it will.

I think very young people are absorbing many decades of past fashions now, there isn't a single fixed trend. They will reject mom and balloon jeans at a whim. I think people are confused because all styles are available, and they are used to taking use from fashion media or street trends about what is 'in'.

Still, I think the merrygoround of fashion is changing and becoming a lot more inclusive at street level. It could possibly be seen as dated to give a shit about jeans trends at all.

So where is this line between noticing what people wear and judging them? I notice all the time because I'm interested, because it's how I get my ideas and because, as I've already said, I think it can be fascinating to watch how a look travels from high fashion to mainstream, then to dated and then, if you wait long enough, back to fashionable again.

But I also notice what books people have on their shelves or what they hang on their walls. Is that judging too?

I suppose another way of looking at these threads is people are thinking "oh god, do I need to be work out how to style mom/balloon/straight to look current?" and people honestly say, well, yes, probably. But wear what you like ()

[quote ToykotoLosAngeles]@Floisme So would you say you now understand why people start threads gauging opinion on skinnies? Or not?[/quote]
I understand threads saying,, 'What do you think of ...?' What I don't really understand is the reaction whenever it's suggested that skinnies are going out of fashion, when this is what happens to every look eventually.

I would understand it if skinnies had suddenly disappeared from the shops and you couldn't buy them any more but they're still around, just no longer the default style.

Noticing and noticing then making a snap judgement are not the same thing. One can simply clock someone wearing say a Selfish Mother "Winging It" jumper, or notice it and think "Those were trendy at least 5 years ago, she must be clueless/can't afford something more fashionable/insert x". Same with Uggs for example (which I still wear!)

It happens all the time with things like wall decor. There's nothing more likely to invite judgement than a Live Laugh Love sign!

I'd also understand it more if the thread was on, let's say AIBU, where it can get quite vicious. But this is Style and Beauty, and as I've said already, if we can't talk about changing fashions on here, where can we?

Noticing and noticing then making a snap judgement are not the same thing.
Agreed, but the implication seems to be that people on this thread are making a judgement, whereas I'd argue that, for the most part, we're observing and discussing a change in fashion.

You've misunderstood me then.

It's something said on a regular basis on these boards?

This is what the OP said about skinnies being "over". And it is often said. Not necessarily here on this day; clearly she means previous threads. My only point was that this is why these threads are started. Passing comments saying they're over, and yet still in the shops, so people ask for an overall opinion.

It's the exact same reason for a thread as "People on here say bootcuts are in but I never see any in the shops/on people".

But surely that is the point of this board, @ToykotoLosAngeles? For people to get opinion on styles, fashions, trends etc? Much like people asking for opinions on a baby name or a breed of dog, really.

It could possibly be seen as dated to give a shit about jeans trends at all.
I think you might have a point there - as I've said, I think the range of styles at the moment is unusual and suggests there might be something else going on.
Maybe jeans will cease to be a fashion item at all and just become a basic like hoodies or fleeces? But then they might also cease to be an easy, default, take-you-to-most places outfit?And then what would we all argue about?

Yes! Absolutely! Which is why I was responding to @Floisme saying "It's why I don't really understand threads like this - skinnies are still around, they just no longer have a monopoly, which is surely a good thing?"

The implication there is that it's an odd thing to start a thread about because they're still in shops, so why concern yourself. I am saying it's a completely valid thing to ponder, because the comments on S&B don't match the high street. So I do understand "threads like this".

Am I being that unclear?

I think lockdowns mean no dominant ttend has emerged yet. It will though. It will be baggies.

Am I being that unclear?
I think you're being clear but I think we may disagree about where the line lies between discussion and being judgemental. When somebody says something looks dated, I don't normally see that as a judgment, I think 'Oh that's interesting'.

I was in Kingston ( middle class enclave of London ) at the weekend and had a very close look given this conversation. Quite a few pairs of skinnies being worn but not in a tremendously inspiring way - eg Breton tops and white trainers or Saltwater type sandals. . My personal choice if I were wearing them would be to loosen up the silhouette of the top to something more oversized ( shirt or sweatshirt) and chunk up the footwear a bit. Surprisingly my own smaller town is more diverse which I put down to the an Art school and Theatre school.

Ah, I see. You think I'm saying people shouldn't describe them as dated. I'm not... but if you call someone's outfit dated you have to be prepared that people will take it as a negative comment and not some kind of neutral observation. It literally means old-fashioned.

I only ever wear them with boots.

but if you call someone's outfit dated you have to be prepared that people will take it as a negative comment and not some kind of neutral observation. It literally means old-fashioned.
I'd be careful how I used the word on on a general chat board, but on a board where fashion is one of the most common topics - and yes I know style doesn't have to = fashion - then I think it's often part and parcel of the discussion.

When somebody says something looks dated, I don't normally see that as a judgment, I think 'Oh that's interesting'

I agree with this.
The board is about style and fashion. By its very nature, fashion reinvents itself constantly.
If I put on a pair of jeans from 1995 I will look old fashioned and dated. If I wear skinnies in six months time, I will, most probably look dated.

Sometimes I think that literally no-one else in the entire world (including denim manufacturers ) overthinks jeans as much as posters on the S&B board.

Yeah, of course, say what you like. But don't say you "don't understand" why it makes people feel self-conscious enough about something they wear to start threads gauging opinion.

@Ellllle

Sometimes I think that literally no-one else in the entire world (including denim manufacturers ) overthinks jeans as much as posters on the S&B board.

Oh I'm regularly told I overthink clothes. But I'll ask again, if we can't overthink them on this board, where can we?

@ToykotoLosAngeles

Yeah, of course, say what you like. But don't say you "don't understand" why it makes people feel self-conscious enough about something they wear to start threads gauging opinion.

Why shouldn't I say it if it's true? I've no doubt it's a failing on my part but I don't understand why a discussion on a Style and Beauty board about what's in / out of / going out of fashion should be seen as a personal criticism. As I've said, I'd understand if it was in AIBU but not on here.

Anyway I've enjoyed talking to you but I think this is going round in circles now. See you later, or on another thread.

I recently bought some baggies. I didnt like them. Well, they were comfy, but in the mirror I honestly looked like someone who was desperately trying to cling on to her youth by dressing like she did 20 years ago! 😂

@Divebar2021

I just have disputed the fact no one is wearing them & buying them

I wasn’t saying no-one was selling them or buying them, I was saying their popularity is waning. Some people are not fast adopters of new trends - no doubt waiting to see the longevity. I’m just happy there is now a wider choice where previously there has been hardly any.

I don’t however understand the comment that mom jeans are a summer item. I can see a cropped wide leg is tricky with boots but an ankle grazing ‘mom’ or ‘boyfriend’ is easy with ankle boots. ( or straight leg with turn ups if you have VB “ eating disorder “ proportions or don’t mind the leg shortening effect )

@Divebar2021 but I'd have cold ankles!!

I like the look with VB and the boots but there is definite leg showing, in the winter I want to be covered up!

I still have skinny jeans and will probably wear with my boots (DM type) as pictures I've seen of boot leg and heels is not a look I can recreate as I really don't like it. Not sure what else to wear!!

I think the issue is in winter. In summer I’ve been wearing flares with sandals (which I love) and a rolled up girlfriend.

However in winter with boots and jumpers/big coats? I think a loose jean looks really scruffy. You need the balance of a fitted too. How will we style them?

I may live in my gym leggings...