Canada Goose - too hot for London?

[londonmummy1234]

I brought myself a Canada Goose Mystique Parka... it was pricey at £1100 but apparently lasts forever blah blah.
It arrived today and it feels really hot and heavy to wear but all the other mums in London seem to be wearing CG?!
What's people's experiences with it and if too hot can they offer an alternative?
Looking for a long coat and padded! Thanks

My point being talking about mass grain and coconut oil production is a 'straw man' argument against veganism so is talking about intensively farmed lifestock production a 'straw man' argument against meat /dairy eating / animal produce utilising.

@pensivepigeon

My point being talking about mass grain and coconut oil production is a 'straw man' argument against veganism so is talking about intensively farmed lifestock production a 'straw man' argument against meat /dairy eating / animal produce utilising.

No, because vegans would argue that killing an animal to eat is unethical. Industrial farming is a problem for the environment. Killing animals when you don’t need to - because there are alternatives good sources available - is unethical to vegans. Even if it’s done ‘humanely’ to a free range animal.

Obviously you don’t agree. But you’re wrong to compare the two.

The other error you’re making is that you’re looking for a perfect solution. You are arguing against veganism on the basis that there may be problems with some of it. Veganism doesn’t need to be perfect. It just needs to be better than the alternative. When you’re making a decision about what to do, the best option may still involve some issues. The thing is, what’s important it’s the best option. Not a theoretically and practically perfect option

vegans would argue that killing an animal to eat is unethical

I don't share the same view because I view all life as sentient.

You are arguing against veganism on the basis that there may be problems with some of it. Veganism doesn’t need to be perfect. It just needs to be better than the alternative. When you’re making a decision about what to do, the best option may still involve some issues. The thing is, what’s important it’s the best option. Not a theoretically and practically perfect option

No, I am saying neither veganism or meat eating/animal product utilising is perfect. For the reasons I have laid out in my previous posts, I don't view meat eating/animal product utilising as worse than veganism ethically or for the planet.

@pensivepigeon

do you really believe that plants are as sentient as animals?

There are lots of studies available. This book outlines some of them.

[[https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woodlands-Oliver-Rackham/dp/0008156913/ref=sr]]11_1?crid=1APCI78H6TNGZ&dchild=1&keywords=woodlands+oliver+rackham&qid=1612984751&sprefix=Woodlands+oliver%2Caps%2C217&sr=8-1

So if you really really believe you want to reduce the total number of carrots (or whatever) being killed, you should eat them directly rather than feed them to the rabbit and eat the rabbit.

Why? What if the rabbit lived wild until it was responsibly and humanely killed. If I was to utilise the whole of the rabbit? The rabbit would give me different nutrition, dietary protein, iron etc. I could use the skin for clothing and bones to make fertiliser.

On the coconut oil, yes - there are concerns about how some coconut oil is produced

Just as there are concerns over how some meat is produced.

You seem to have latched on to one medical professional but disregarded all the other studies and information presented to you.

Just as you are selective with the research you take on board to make the decision to become vegan.

Do you not see that like vegans, meat eaters can have more and less healthy diets?

Of course. Just as veganism isn't necessarily the better ethical choice.

Maybe you could link to some of the many studies that show plants are as sentient as animals? The blurb of the book you’ve linked to just refers to plants being wildlife as much as animals which of course is not the same as being as sentient as animals.

In any case, as said to the point of exhaustion, killing a rabbit to eat (yes even if it’s a wild one ) is less efficient than eating plants directly. So as said before, if you want less plants to die overall, eat plants and not animals.

PPs have linked to several different studies and sources of information, you’ve linked to one book which doesn’t have any information to support your point about plants. And you’ve loosely referenced one medical doctor’s opinion but not linked to or referred to any studies.......

Anyway.... this doesn’t seem to be constructive and the same points are being repeated again and again. I think we’ve hijacked the thread long enough.

The blurb of the book you’ve linked to just refers to plants being wildlife as much as animals which of course is not the same as being as sentient as animals.

You have to read the book and not just the blurb. There are others. I could give you a reading list if you want.

) is less efficient than eating plants directly.

Not if what you need is complete protein and new mittens.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hidden-Life-Trees-International-Communicate/dp/0008218439

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Signaling-Communication-Symbiosis-Silvia-Perotto/dp/3642270891/ref=sr11_2?crid=2QKXUBEVHFYIO&dchild=1&keywords=plant+communication&qid=1612990486&sprefix=Plant+comm%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plant-Sensing-Communication-Interspecific-Interactions/dp/022626470X/ref=sr11_1?crid=2QKXUBEVHFYIO&dchild=1&keywords=plant+communication&qid=1612990486&sprefix=Plant+comm%2Caps%2C155&sr=8-1

Three more books.

Wild rabbits eat grass and plant shoots.
It has got to be more energy efficient for humans to eat wild rabbits rather than grass.
I understand not wanting to eat rabbits, I'm not that enthusiastic about the taste personally but the time it would take to eat the same amount of calories in grass not to mention the physical difficulties must surely be more.
In addition to which you would get a trim for the coat which started this thread.
I understand not wanting to use animals for moral reasons but it isn't always the most practical decision.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5398210/

Too cruel for London. Dear coyote around my neck - no thanks.

The physical difficulties of eating a wild rabbit would be on a par to those of eating grass if you had to chase and kill the rabbit 😂

Plenty of people in the country catch, kill and eat rabbits!
It isn't particularly difficult. I personally don't much like the taste but that is a different issue.
Our family cats growing up loved it though and caught plenty.

@pensivepigeon

) is less efficient than eating plants directly.

Not if what you need is complete protein and new mittens.

Soy is a complete protein

Soy is a complete protein

But has less protein in it than meat and is often GM. It also contain lots of phytoestrogens which can have a hormonal affect.

Don't get me wrong, I am not criticising people for eating soy or being vegan. What I am saying is that making careful choices for health and ethics is a complex process and we should not judge people's individual choices too harshly.

And there is no soy in our forests and it won't provide mittens....

@Highfalutinlootin

Prepare to be roasted metaphorically in addition to apparently physically. Mumsnet hates Canada Goose presumably because they dare to be too expensive.

Nope, it's because of their well documented horrific animal abuse. Complete lack of welfare. I'm happy to pay £1k on a coat. Just not one that involves ethically questionable stripping of fur off an animal.