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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

NEW SERIES:

So You Want To Buy A Retinoid - A Guide

Hmm, I've mentioned on here before that I'm somewhat wary of South Korean SPFs due to their measuring system, but that's more to do with UVA rays and the awarded PA+ rating. However, Purito sunscreens are sold in Europe in physical stores so I have always assumed they've been through European required testing or have had to show some approved form of it to be able to be sold in the EU as you can't just import some random sunscreens and just sell them. I'd therefore wait and see what the company comes up with in terms of research. One explanation could be that in SK the INCI rules are different and you can order them however you like to a point Anyhow, it's not doing much to eradicate my snobbery towards South Korean SPFs in general.

I've just seen that lab muffin will do a video on it next week. She seems to confirm the spf19 measurements are accurate. It'll be interesting to hear her take on it as she was once sponsored by Purito and sang the sunscreens' praises.

Have to say I have been thinking it's too good to be true. I also wonder how many other suncreams don't live up to their claims.

I've had my doubts about Biore watery essence (never used it myself though) and I've known some people have gotten burnt with it but there's also people who swear by it who are very fair and live in very hot countries. The fakes may have something to do with the discrepancy but people in very hot countries aren't really outdoors much either 🤷

I've thought Frezyderm was too good to be true often but I was once caught out once, thinking I should have reapplied as I'd be out longer than 2hrs in the sun and I was out on the water and feared I would definitely burn my nose (sunglasses). Face was fine in the end, tops of shoulders, however, where I used a bog standard body SPF was very red but not a full burn.

I've never used them side by side but I've always said that I'm pretty sure Purito based their SPF off the Bioderma Cicabio SPF, they're very similar and I'd never mistrust Bioderma with SPF. It's probably a bit shinier, but like I said never tried them side by side, maybe Sallie has, I know she's used both too.

I'll use the Purito as hand cream I think.

Bo I assume you wouldn't trust a Cosrx SPF either then? Maybe I'll stick to the Neostrata tinted.

Frezyderm has always been amazing for me, and I really rate the banana boat aerosol spray for body. No rubbing in, no touching it (I hate the feel of SPF) and I've never burned with it

For me it depends what I'm doing so biore I would wear if I was in and out the sun, but I'm more likely to wear frezyderm if I'm out for a long time so walking etc. I'm on the body shop SPF at the minute

Personally, no, Ninny, I only really made an exemption for Purito because it was so highly recommended by people I generally trust (like Lab Muffin and a few other science based ones, although I did wonder about the unanimous love for it everywhere that seemed to come out of nowhere). Guess I should have stuck with my position of distrust when it comes to SK sunscreens.

Thankfully I only ever used Purito alongside other SPFs so I doubt I've seen any major damage which I would wonder about if it was my only SPF for a period of time. I think for the time of year and if you're not on tretinoin SPF19 probably isn't the end of the world and it would also work well as a moistuiser under an actual proper SPF

I only used it for a couple of weeks. Sad though. I thought we could be friends for life

Just seen purito have posted a statement on their insta about it

Oh no! I have Purito ready as my next spf!

Formal statement via their instagram:

”Hello, this is PURITO. Please accept our sincere apologies for the delay in responding to your requests clarifying the information over the SPF and PA index of PURITO Centella Green Level Unscented Sun. For better understanding, we would like to first share the details of the sunscreen development process. When developing a product as an ODM (original design manufacturing) system several parties are involved such as the manufacturing company, the brand, KFDA, and the testing lab.

As a brand we have requested the manufacturer to develop an exclusive product for PURITO, for which we received the formulation. The manufacturer of the product had a long history of developing quality sunscreen products and high technology, thus the marked SPF and PA index was not questioned by the brand. Moreover, the SPF 50, PA++++ of the PURITO Centella Green Level Unscented Sun was officially approved by the KFDA before the product was launched on the market.

However, recently, we have received a significant amount of inquiries on clarification of the SPF and PA index of the product, that’s when we decided to verify once again the manufacturer's registration with the KFDA and the authenticity of the registered documents, we have assured that there was no problem.

The product has been legally recognized by all aforementioned parties, however, due to the recent debates, we decided to conduct our own research on the efficacy of the sunscreen.

In order to obtain precise results currently PURITO has requested the performance of both in-vivo and in-vitro tests for all three PURITO sunscreen products, other than the initial test conducted by the testing lab and the manufacturer. Although the results have not yet been released, we have acknowledged the seriousness of this issue. We have been closely monitoring the test results that were recently published online. As a result of which, we are pausing the sales of PURITO Centella Green Level Unscented Sun, PURITO Centella Green Level Safe Sun, and PURITO Comfy Water Sun Block until the details are fact-checked and confirmed by the parties aside from the initial manufacturer and testing lab.”

^via the Asian Beauty Reddit

Also found attached there, where a Hong Kong lab tested various sunscreens' advertised protection and the dots indicate the actual protection when tested. Bioderma comes out well but I'm bit surprised by the LRP. It seems to be an issue, generally, of the lighter weight formulations.

re Purito, luckily it’s my winter only spf and I spend minimal time outside in daylight this time of year so hopefully not much damage done, and I like it as a moisturiser so will use it up under Frezyderm.

Bo I did like Bioderma cicabio spf but swapped to Purito as found it worked better under make up for me.

I’m spending very little on makeup and skincare at the moment partly because I’ve not been at home but also because ‘drum roll’ I’m finally getting my fillers done again in a couple of weeks Not sure whether to have Botox again or not, my eyelids have got very droopy but think I might be better off saving for a blepharoplasty. The aesthetician I see is usually very honest about what I do and don’t need and doesn’t upsell so will see what she thinks.

Hello again, I've been searching this thread and others but not having much luck (even an advanced search has me trawling through threads with 1000 posts.....).

Am wondering about Nuface. I recall some people here were using it (Sallie? Ninny?). Just wondering if it works. Whether it might be worth buying. Thank you

Sophie, I think Jedstre saw good results with hers and Sallie was a bit undecided. I'd consider the newer Foreo Bear (the full size), I am contemplating it too It's more powerful and quicker and from the before and after results for it, seems more noticeable where the Nuface is more subtle. Although I'd still warn that results with both will not be extremely noticeable.

Lab muffin has her up now, it's an interesting watch.

Sallie, yes that makes sense, the Bioderma IME took a while to dry down so that is annoying when following up with makeup.

Hi Sophie 👋

Nuface did nothing for me but I think that’s probably my fault for not giving it long enough before I got fed up and abandoned it. I’m not sure where mine is now, I haven’t seen it since before my mum died and have a horrible feeling I might have accidentally chucked it, though it could be in storage with the stuff from Mum’s house.

That was an interesting watch Bo though she seems to be saying you can’t 100% trust any of them

I know, helpful 🤣 Anyhow, Bioderma (the ones that say MAX on them for extra high protection) seem to continually come out on top with 3rd party testing and far exceeding advertised SPF and that's my go to for very sunny holiday destination or skiing. Aside from that I'm more of an indoor person so it's not too concerning to me. I suppose with the newer testing (European Cosmetic IIRC), when that's approved, there might be a bit more consistency and more reliable comparable data as it seems very dependent on who tests where and what data you supply them with now.

Watched the Lab Muffin SPF You Tube re: Purdito controversy, and none the wiser.

Am not throwing out Purdito at the moment as am using it through winter, and tbh, it's fine for indoors in Tier 3 .

Getting through Heliocare, Altruist and Isdin, which are Spanish and South African so hopefully if one falls through the EU regulatory bodies then the South African Altruist will be face saving

Eh, Isdin had a huge scandal a while back where their sunscreens tested well below advertised SPF 🙈🙊 don't shoot the messenger 👀

I also thought altruist was by a British derm, am I thinking of something else?

Bo - you may be right - they do donate to African those who suffer from albinism, so I may have gotten this wrong.

Not me with the Nuface. Don't know what they do but I'm probs too lazy tbh.

I've been using. Vichy SPF the last couple of days. Quite like it. Might look for a tinted version.

Thank you Bo. Never heard of the Foreo Bear (but that doesn't mean much as I'm hardly up to date with these things!). I'll have a look. Do let me know if you get it.

Hi Sallie, I'm very sorry to hear about your mum
Yes, in one review I watched the lady said not to bother buying it if you couldn't commit to using it every day for the first 3 months and then several times a week thereafter.

You're probably spending enough time with your hair right now ninny to have any spare for a nuface!

Thank you Sophie, Mum died back in 2019 so it’s getting close to 2 years since I’ve seen the nuface! I think I managed about 6 weeks each time I tried it before getting fed up.

Foreo Bear sounds like the latest Christmas toy for kids