🐌 Fantastic Skincare: Is Everyone Having Botox Without Me? 💉

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

NEW SERIES:

So You Want To Buy A Retinoid - A Guide

December 2019: Time for The Snailies way more reliable and better than the MN recommends annual roundup (yes I'm still bitter about them quoting me in isolation and making me sound like a wanker please don't revoke my special image allowance privileges, MNHQ )

Also: Thread 20 in time for 2020!!! Ahem, where are my presents?

Bo ... Thanks for your reply!

I've had eczema since I was a kid. It was bad when I was younger but I've pretty much grown out of it.

It flares up when I've not been great with my diet and usually in the winter which I blame on the extremes of temperatures from inside to outside.

I've got every prescription cream going but hate putting steroids so close to my eyes.

I've used the la Roche posay micellar water for years without too much problems as a first cleanse/makeup remover. I've tried various oil cleansers and find they all leave my skin feeling 'stripped' even after another cleanser (eg simple/dhc/ttdo balm)

8ve also tried the 5%urea cream of that's the one you mean... I don't find it quite moisturising, but often use it in the summer.

And obv goes without saying... No 'actives'

Ah, okay, well you'll know better than us when to knock on the GP's door and when not, Vaz. The Avene cleansing oil is really different to other cleansing oils, it's more like a gel cleanser really and does not leave skin stripped at all but stick with what works for you. If it's just a richer moisturiser that's important, agree urea 5% isn't all that rich. The Bioderma Cicabio Pommade is like a heavier version of LRP Cicaplast but probably not as useful during the day. Also comes in a cream version which probably should be okay for day. The range is generally well liked by eczema sufferers, have you tried it before?

@Sammi38 I’ve used NIOD copper serum and I can’t say it made much of a difference.

The new ‘beauty bible’ awards have come out. I enjoy having a look through. I used to buy the beauty bible in its book form years ago and I was a tester one year too.

A lot of the products are fairly pricey and I won’t be rushing to buy much (although I did go to Boots yesterday and got Charles worthington dry shampoo and Josh Wood hair masque which both won awards)

Link www.beautybible.com/beauty-bible-awards-2020

Have to agree with Olverum winning an award, it's the nicest bath oil I've ever tried and such an unusual scent

Could I ask if anyone knows a good anti-aging serum as an alternative to hyaluronic acid? Thanks.

Hyaluronic acid isn't anti ageing, it just hydrates (theoretically), and by extension keeping skin hydrated stops it prematurely ageing but it's not anti-ageing (that's just retinoids).

Alternative hydrating serums without HA are out there, albeit scarce. Glycerin is a good unproblematic alternative, cheap but therefore rarely used on its own, probably already in your moisturiser. Indeed labs had/has a hydration booster without HA but I think it was being discontinued.

The inkey list has polyglutamic acid as an HA alternative, supposedly more effective than HA too but I have no experience with it and have yet to hear any experiences with it.

Then there's the stuff they put in La Mer, sea kelp extract, I'm trying to remember the name of the company that just sells that on its own as a serum, I think they recently got rebranded, I'll have to dig though my inbox.

There's also peptides, their anti ageing claims are very iffy but at the end of the day they are good humectants so could fit the bill too.

The alpha h serum you're using is one with mixed molecular weights of HA and that usually is more prone to being problematic, a simple single molecular weight version may also be worth considering, like the Vichy Mineral 89 serum.

They're called Mend now, Sea kelp here. From what I understand it is best to dilute it somewhat, in a moisturiser or watery serum (but not an actives serum).

@botemp

Magic! Thanks so much. I’ll check out that Vichy serum as it might work better. I tried the HA I have on wet skin & got the same result, but I’ll try it on dry skin too to see if there’s any joy there!

Sorry for the late reply (was at a family funeral on Saturday)

@botemp

That avene oil looks interesting.. Do u think it would remove makeup?

I found some dhc oil samples in my stash and it doesn't seem as drying as the simple but it says not to be used around eyes so not sure that will work for me as a first Cleanse oil.

I haven't heard of that bioderma range so I'll check it out thanks!

I eventually admitted defeat..i had tried everything I had so I bit the bullet and used some hydrocortisone with fucithalmic and its bloody almost cleared in 2 days! 🙄

Thanks for all the recommendations!

Has anyone tried this?

Vaz I always used the DHC oil round my eyes, I didn’t realise it said not to! I have quite sensitive eyes and didn’t experience any issues. I’ve moved on to Simple now for no reason other than it’s cheaper and widely available.

Mint the Purito SPF is back in stock on the Timeless website, I’ve just ordered and will review once it arrives.

Moan alert. My hair is driving me up the wall or rather crappy hair products are. It's apparently low porosity according to the strand test but looks high porosity atm. Frizzy and frazzled. My hair used to be very glossy and smooth. I'm confused and don't want to keep wasting £££ on products that I have to give away after one or two uses. Client Do you know any good sites to get info from or any other tests I can do to work my hair out please? Or anyone else? 🐑

(The sheep is me currently btw, not everyone here.)

@EnidButton are you using silicone free stuff or not? If not, the OSMO mask is the best I used (before I went CG!)

Client No because I find silicone to be the only thing that helps it feel smooth rather than rough and dry on the ends. Without it it puffs up more. Thank you for the recommendation, the Osmo mask contains protein which I avoid after the over protein disaster a few months ago. I need something very moisturising without protein in it...I think. It's confusing.

I'm thinking I'll get a clarifying shampoo and some elasticizer (used to use and like) and then see what it's like.

I'm sure it used to be much easier to look after. Don't know wtf happened.

• I mean, yes I do use silicones.

Actually Salonsdirect sell 85p sachets of osmo and other masks so I'll give it try along with some other bits. Thank you!

Ah no. Salonsdirect is trade only. I'll find it somewhere else though as it's not expensive. Worth a try.

Flash-drying, maybe the cause, Enid? The Jessicurl line is mostly (or entirely?) protein free, the deep conditioner is meant to be really moisturising and they do little travel size samples too. No silicones but you can always put something silicone in after. Ro+co Park Ave blow dry balm is my (silicone) go to for the smoothest and shiniest finish (with a blow dryer obv) and the style lasts for days.

Vaz, I've used DHC on my eyes for years. Think they just didn't want to pay out for the extra testing for it to qualify as eye safe.

My hair is a terrible frizzy mess at the moment I’m blaming it (along with everything else ) on the weather. It needs a good cut too as I’ve not been to the hairdressers since around September, after all my huffing and puffing and angst about haircuts I found it definitely behaves better when it’s around armpit length. It’s past bra strap length at the moment and annoying, I’m just wearing it up all the time as can’t be doing with it blowing all over the place in this windy weather.

Sally's used to do it fairly cheap. Or jessicurl as botemp said, I use their gel and it's lovely
Shea moisture maybe, the Manuka honey and mafura oil or the Shea butter one

sallie oh great I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on it. I've just bought a new mineral one so am giving that a trial at mo, it's much more expensive than the purito though!

1st time Botox last Wednesday (so day 6), and I haven't really seen any difference (maybe the middle 11 but they weren't my concern anyway, I wanted crows feet & eyebrow changes). Is this normal? I used a very well known practitioner.

I'm due back next week to have my checkup alongside some filler & Profhilo (never say I do anything by half) but should I wait?

TIA for any feedback,

Hi wink, sorry if the title is misleading, the Botox bit is an in joke. This thread discusses primarily skincare. There are a few posters that have been using injectibles for a longer period of time but they tend to check in occasionally so you're probably best off starting a separate thread for your questions to get a bette pool of answers.

AFAIK, although never having had an injectible, it's pretty standard to have to wait up to two weeks to see any changes, hence why they usually schedule the top up session then.

For me it takes around 10-14 days to get the full effect with Botox, it kind of creeps up on you!