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Royal style: we want more salwars and we're not sari about it!

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QueenOfTheAndals · 18/10/2019 11:00

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Clankboing · 27/10/2019 09:48

I can imagine that the Harry / Meghan situation has now reached its peak and things will die down. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall for princess lessons!! Can you imagine!? I would have thought it would be diplomacy much of the time as opposed to pretty dresses and deportment. Recently though I did wonder whether Kate's wearing of longer dresses satisfies the little children who come to see a real princess.

StatisticallyChallenged · 27/10/2019 09:49

It doesn't seem unlikely that they would have at least informally been guiding Kate in the pre engagement years on how to behave, dealing with the press etc. She will also have been able to observe a lot in that time too. I think that when marrying a royal comes with such a lot of 'baggage' and expectations there is a lot to be said for a long courtship. Obviously Harry and Meghan were a bit older and keen for a family but even another year, living over here so she was more immersed, might have helped

paradyning · 27/10/2019 10:32

Those photos are lovely Curly

beanaseireann · 27/10/2019 10:37

Blingsandrings you wrote *
"*Harry is very close to Zara and his female cousins, but they are all products of the same white middle class set I suppose."

I don't think Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie, his Spencer cousins, his Fellowes and Mc Corquodale cousins would ever be considered middle class Smile

QueenoftheAndals Sorry I have to disagree re CPM's Erdem dress. But it is better than most of his designs and I'm sure the material is beautiful.
I think Erdem is a bit like Marmite.
I did love his Chanel like material outfit Kate wore though.

queenofarles · 27/10/2019 11:05

Laiste it looks like everything was rosy till before the Tour to OZ and NZ,.

To me they’ve isolated themselves and now they just seem so paranoid.

Both H&M come from unstable families and this has a negative impact on them, it shows more now since they are now married with a DC,

Bling I think you are right , they might have asked for more support with the press and no one offered, but honestly seeing what the RF scandals are like, the letter story must have looked like child’s play to the RF, and the only advice they offered was to let it die a natural death and just move on , just like how it turned out for Camilla.

The press likes to draw attention to how horrible the Markles are , and I think this upsets Meghan and Harry ofcourse. Its more about class.
Kate was ridiculed for being MC, Party Pieces, Uncle Gary. I also think if Kate came from a WC or humble background it would have been much worse.

AdaColeman · 27/10/2019 11:06

Harry has his own personal fortune, as he inherited the bulk of Diana's twenty-one million divorce settlement. Her fortune was left to Harry & Wills, but almost all went to Harry, on the understanding that Wills would inherit the Cornwall fortune in the fullness of time.

So if Harry & Meg decided to live abroad, they could simply use their own money.

ajandjjmum · 27/10/2019 11:29

The first I heard of Meghan's existence was when Harry released a statement asking the press to lay off his girlfriend. This was before they had even been pictured together. If I recall correctly, there were grumblings that he shouldn't have done it - just let things go and accept it was part of being a royal.

So Meghan was well aware of the likely press intrusion, even though she was still living in Canada at the time.

I always feel that Harry was desperate to meet someone to marry and have a family with, and that previous women had moved on as they couldn't tolerate the 'royal' life - Cressie and Chelsy. He was probably so relieved that Meghan was prepared to go for it, he wouldn't want to rock the boat, and explain how bad the intrusion could be.

beanaseireann · 27/10/2019 11:30

Please excuse the bold type in my last post.Blush

WhatsMyBloodyPassword · 27/10/2019 11:31

Long time lurker here. (This is long. Sorry!)

I have been reading the comments about MM and Harry with interest. I agree with a lot of what has been said. I particularly agree that their biggest problem (referred to above) is that there has been such incessant negative press about them that, unfortunately, lots of it has stuck.

Even on this thread, which is so supportive of the couple and critical of the press approach towards them, there is talk of MM wanting to be in control and it being suggested that she is responsible for Harry becoming distanced from the RF. We do not have a clue about that, and it just reflects the line we have all constantly been fed that she is power and fame hungry, is a control freak, and wants to distance Harry from William and Kate. It is all her fault. The stories are relentless and so it seeps through. None of us have the first idea about how decisions have been made and by whom or what she is actually like. They have certainly made some mistakes. But ultimately, Harry is a grown man, with agency. The idea that he is some wimpy guy who trails along after MM helplessly, unable to stop her, while she rides rough shod over all those around her, ruining the RF as she goes, is ridiculous. And sexist.

As for the RF providing MM with support, clearly it hasn’t been enough, or she would not have felt the need to say that no one is asking how she is. For Harry to be so incandescent with rage suggests that he feels very let down, and presumably also by his own family.

For my own part, if the Queen can have a totally inappropriate and tone deaf photo opportunity with a grinning Andrew beside her to try to deflect from reports about his friendship with a sex trafficking convicted paedophile, the RF can bloody well provide clear and unequivocal support in the press to a new mum who is clearly at breaking point. The RF could stop this or at least take some of the heat out. That Prince Andrew moment shows that it is bullshit to suggest that the RF never respond to press reports.

I am also really troubled by the idea that straight up racism by the press (which is what it is) should be ignored, and that MM should just put her head down and get on with it and that we’d all be so impressed with that approach. It needs to be called out. The rank hypocrisy of the press’ position that the couple can be patrons of mental health charities but are not allowed to talk about their own mental health is startling and very, very sad.

WineOrGinOrBoth · 27/10/2019 11:34

But Kate has just accepted it & not spoken out. Luckily for her she has/had her family as a sounding board. Unluckily for Meghan she doesn’t have that support.

Blingandrings · 27/10/2019 11:37

Camilla, Sophie, and Kate have all been subject to awful press. I don’t recall any of them complaining or getting friends to speak on their behalf. I do think lack of family support is a big issue for them and they do seem to be becoming paranoid and isolated.

queenofarles · 27/10/2019 11:38

Ada
That money wouldn’t support them , 5 years max, They’d need a serious source of income , or they would seriously need downgrade.

WineOrGinOrBoth · 27/10/2019 11:40

Not forgetting Fergie - I think she had it worse TBH.

They need Camilla to give them lessons in how to turn it around.

Blingandrings · 27/10/2019 11:42

If it was invested it would support them in a modest lifestyle yes. They could use it to buy property for example. No reason Meghan couldn’t go back to acting and Harry could work for a charity. They’d probably be much happier.

Blingandrings · 27/10/2019 11:48

Only Meghans a feminist and she believes in equality. So I doubt she would want to take a penny if Harry’s money. Also she’s a millionaire herself apparently.

queenofarles · 27/10/2019 11:51

But is/was Meghan even a good actress? She just had that one show and a couple crappy low budget movies,
They might think they have it bad now, but honestly I don’t think they can survive with their own talents.

Blingandrings · 27/10/2019 11:56

Perhaps she could have a career change and work in International Relations ? That was part of her degree I think.

beanaseireann · 27/10/2019 12:00

Whatismybloodypassword
Does it not suit the RF that the heat is on H and M rather than Andrew.
By sitting side by side going to church the Queen made her support of Andrew quite clear.

Rhubarbisevil · 27/10/2019 12:00

The thing is, her acting friends don’t help her. Desert Island Discs is on with Wendell Pearce who played her father in Suits. He told a story about how he took her engagement ring off her to stop the paps publishing the photo before the engagement was announced. He said “I told her you’ve always got a friend in me and that was the last time I spoke to her”. He meant it in a kind way but now we will get “Meghan Blanks Suits Co-Stars!!!” headline shockers.

SenecaFalls · 27/10/2019 12:09

Though Meghan has hardly had a tough life before marriage. Her life has been quite privileged too.

She's a woman of color who grew up with racism and still experiences it. She had some material privilege growing up, but as a girl and woman of color in the US, it was a very relative privilege.

Well put @WhatsMyBloodyPassword

MangoFeverDream · 27/10/2019 12:16

Recently though I did wonder whether Kate's wearing of longer dresses satisfies the little children who come to see a real princess

I would imagine this is because longer dresses are more in fashion now.

QueenOfTheAndals · 27/10/2019 12:18

They need Camilla to give them lessons in how to turn it around.

Camilla didn't turn it around by herself - Charles hired a very expensive PR guru to help do it! There's a documentary about it, think it's called Reinventing the Royals.

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ajandjjmum · 27/10/2019 12:25

Talking about the Queen and her supportive photo with Andrew.....I found the photoshoot a couple of days after Archie's birth very moving, in that the Queen and Prince Philip showed their support for H & M and the new baby - even including Doria - which to my knowledge, hasn't happened for any other great grandchild.

queenofarles · 27/10/2019 12:37

International relations, or working in any form of Humanitarian work would bring you peanuts, besides most of these people who take interest in HW or international relations are wealthy with various steady incomes. Like Clooney, Oprah for example.

Both princes are born into this life, they both have no idea how to survive without financial help from the RF. they might think it’s doable , but once reality kicks in I just don’t think they can Survive it really,

BertrandRussell · 27/10/2019 12:38

@ajandjjmum - yes that was an amazing and historic photograph. Overlooked, of course because it doesn’t fit the “there were no photos of Archie” narrative.

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