Royal style & gossip: look out, duchesses about!

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Completely missed the ball with the previous thread so hope this thread is easy enough to find!

Previous thread

Paradyning little Lord Dumbarton Road would be prince of all he surveyed, The Three Judges pub, Partick train station, Dumpling Monkey, and the brilliant Salvation Army charity shop

Dumpling Monkey?

Dumpling

Monkey???!

Best Chinese dumpling joint in da world.

Lucky little fella!

Best dumpling joint?

What’s the betting we have a thread in a few months “I want to call out new ds Golden Dragon. I think it’s a wonderful strong name for a boy, and it has very happy memories for me. My ils are being really snooty about it and want him to be called Albert. Last name will be Sussex. What do people think?”

Just to go back to the royal match making for a mo, Queen you'll have to rethink Ingrid Alexandra of Norway because I'm thinking she'd be a good match for my eldest DS. He has a princely name, he's a year older and more importantly, I'd get to spend family occasions with the Royal Hotness named Haakon. Sorry.

I know The Succession to the Crown Act (2013) amended the provisions of the Bill of Rights and the Act of Settlement to end the system of male primogeniture, under which a younger son can displace an elder daughter in the line of succession. (Hence Charlotte remaining 4th in line to the throne rather than being elbowed down to 5th in line by Louis.)
I think that in this day & age the passing on of Dukedoms & Earldoms should go the first born regardless of sex - so baby girl Sussex if she is first born will be the Countess of Dumbarton instead of a younger brother.

That would mess up the whole Aristocracy, but would definitely be progress.
Earl Mountbatten’s title passed through his daughter. I wonder why that was?

Some titles have passed to women, there are a few in Scotland. The Marlborough title also passed through a woman at one point, centuries ago. I don't know the reasons behind those but I bet @SenecaFalls will!

I would very much like to see an eldest daughter be the heir to the Dukedom too. No reason not to in the 21st century.

Harry btw is the spit of both Charles and Philip in various photos. No doubting the bloodline there.

The Queen

Yes buttery. The older he gets the less anyone can question his parentage!!

I am convinced Charlotte will be queen. No idea how or why, but am certain of it. Perhaps George won't have children or will choose to abdicate. After all, it's not unheard of!!

Does anyone know the longest straight progression of monarch to monarch as parent child? Ie the throne not going to a nephew/cousin/brother? My sense is that our royal family don't get that continuity in direct lines for long.

@AlsoBling2 I think probably from John to Edward III so a span of nearly 200 years.

Pretty conclusive

Can anyone tell me why Prince Edward wasn't made a duke when he and Sophie married?

I think as the Dukedom of Edinburgh is lined up for him in the future.

Earl Mountbatten’s title passed through his daughter. I wonder why that was?

Because Mountbatten had no sons. When the Queen created the title, she included a special remainder for his daughter(s), but after her the title passes in the male line. Also one reason that the title is Earl Mountbatten, rather than Earl of SomeplaceShire is so that the Mountbatten name will endure with the title; the present holder's surname is Knatchbull because it passed through his mother who took her husband's surname.

I would very much like to see an eldest daughter be the heir to the Dukedom too. No reason not to in the 21st century.

I agree. It's a really sexist practice and entirely unjustifiable in this day and age.

Oh, and yes, the Marlborough dukedom was treated similarly to Mountbatten. It's also why their surname is Spencer-Churchill and not just Churchill.

What is the difference between Earl of Someplace and Earl Someone eg Earl Spencer and the Earl of St Andrews?

Also one reason that the title is Earl Mountbatten, rather than Earl of SomeplaceShire is so that the Mountbatten name will endure with the title

@SenecaFalls Is that also why Diana's brother is Earl Spencer rather than Earl of Spencer?

No, the original Earl Spencer was a Spencer and I think all of the successor Earls have had the surname Spencer.

I think the only difference between Earl Surname and Earl of Placename is just that, the different origins of the title name. It made sense for the Mountbatten title because the surname would disappear (and we know how Lord Louis would have felt about that, considering that he wanted the British Royal House to be the House of Mountbatten.)

Also Viscount names don't usually have "of" for either surname origins or placename origins. Interesting.

Some titles have passed to women, there are a few in Scotland.

The Scottish titles have created some interesting situations. The present Countess of Sutherland, in her own right in the peerage of Scotland, inherited her title from her uncle, who was also Duke of Sutherland in the peerage of the United Kingdom. The Earldom of Sutherland went to her, but the Dukedom of Sutherland went to a male heir.

Wasn't the Princess Royal, Louise, Duchess of Fife in her own right?

Wasn't there some law passed before George was born that if the baby were a girl she would be entitled to inherit the title, above any males that were born after.
Other members of the aristocracy were and are complaining that the same rule doesn't apply to them and it should. It's an ongoing debate.

Yes. I was praying George would be a girl!