🐌 Fantastic Skincare: We're So Drunk We're Seeing Elephants 🐘

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

NEW SERIES:

So You Want To Buy A Retinoid - A Guide

WRT to The Ordinary/Deciem:

Most of us had long since stopped using it, partially due to the inconsistency of formulations and the worrying behaviour of the CEO on Social Media.

For more info on the latter, overview here

A good overview of alternatives is here

Since that compilation, other brands like the Inkey, Revolution Skincare, QRXLabs, and Alex Steinherr x Primark have launched with similar products/concepts.

From the limited experience on here, the Vitamin C 23% and Azelaic Acid from Garden of Wisdom (at Victoria’s Health) is well liked and much preferred over TO versions.

OCTOBER 2018: In other news, we’re two years old this month! We’re so old- Drunk Elephant is finally available in the UK, but all this celebration is probably overshadowed by the fear that our beloved LRP Toleriane Fluide may have been discontinued

Thanks Jedster . What do you find are the main benefits?would like something to brighten my skin a little and of course turn back the clock 20 odd years but at over £60 a bottle,I would like a noticeable improvement if miracles not included..

Lasts about 4 months I think pupsie. Difficult to say skinful just a bit brighter I think. I also use a retinoid and acids and I suppose it’s the cumulative effect of the three things that had helped my skin. Prior to DE I used Medik 8 Vit c which was a bit tackier on the skin and before that The ordinary which was gritty and not a pleasant texture. Like a lot of people on here, I fell out of love with the ordinary, never to go back. I haven’t tried the GOW Vit C but obviously much cheaper at £10 although Bo you weren’t too impressed with it iirc? Are you still using Vichy? How are you getting on with Medik 8 r- retinoate?

I vaguely remember JDSTER but I can't find a template for it in my docs. I'm a bit preoccupied at the moment and away between Christmas and New Year so will see if I find it after.

No, still not a fan of the GOW VIT C, it does cover the basics but I'm on my third bottle as the previous two malfunctioned and this one has minor issues too. As a product it does what it needs to do but it doesn't deliver that extra glow that Vichy and Skinceuticals do. I'm tempted by DE but am nervous about the extra added ingredients. Usually my instincts are good on predicting bad outcomes, so will probably stick to what I know. SC also lasts about 6 months or more for me so with a discount they're not that far away in price.

Speaking of DE Vit C and storing it, Tiffani Masterson, the founder, recommends storing theirs in the fridge. Not sure why she says that in public but not mentioned on the packaging

Sorry, on the R-R, it's still working well for me and still amazingly not finished.

Hello, I have started a S&B thread about my eyemakeup and someone suggested i ask on here about a mascara that contains eyelash serum. Ive had a quick look through this thread but can't see any mention of it so would anyone mind telling me what it's called, if you happen to know? Sorry for hijack

You mean serum as in to grow eyelashes? If so, it's Chantecaille Faux Cils Longest Lash mascara, it's frighteningly expensive though. It does make eyelashes grow but not in the extremes. It's my favourite mascara ever though, the serum bit sort of makes me justify the cost but if you're on the lookout for something to make your eyelashes grow I'd probably buy a separate one.

Thank you for the reply!

Really i want to thicken and curl my lashes so on second thoughts perhaps that mascara is not justifiable. Could you please recommend a thickening / curling mascara?

I'm currently trying out Chanel Le Volume Revolution De Chanel Mascara and it's got really good volume and definition without being a clump fest, so individual lashes look thicker. If you're near a Chanel counter just ask for a sample. I've never known mascaras to curl without the aid of an eyelash curler, Shu Uemura or Kevyn Aucoin are both good makes, you'll get a better curl if you blast it with a hairdryer before curling.

I've just seen your thread and had a quick skim and look at your picture. Just wanted to add, have a look at Monika Blunder on YouTube she has very similar eyes to yours, she's a professional MUA, you'll have to go back to her earlier videos where she's her own model.

Oh wow thank you! Will definitely Google that!

What is the wand like on the Chanel one bo? I prefer a fibre wand to the rubber/plastic ones but fancy trying a new one. My usual diorshow mascara is getting low.

Nigella I use an eyelash serum called Rapidlash and have had very good results from it in terms of lash growth. You put it on at night. It's not a mascara though, just a clear liquid you put on the roots.

Just had a look and see you don't want anymore length Nigella, mainly thickness. The serum does a but if thickening but probably not what you're looking for. A good mascara, take excess off by running it through a tissue, wiggle the wand back and forth from root to tip and then use a metal eyelash comb to separate. Also tightlining (look on YouTube at Lisa Eldridge) is good for creating a thickening effect.

Sorry, I should've put that on your other thread where I said I had zero advice. Do love your eye colour though.

Enid, it's really different, when I first saw the wand I thought it was going to be too big and unwieldy but it actually works really well. It sort of has the stiffness of a plastic/rubber wand so you have more control with pressure but it still has a bit of wiggle. It also has the grip of a fibre brush, perhaps even better than actual fibres, so you're not just plastering on too much. I was pleasantly surprised by it, it allows you to get a good dose in at the roots whilst keeping the upper lashes sparse. It's faintly natural looking in that sense as it mimcs actual full lashes but it is still a mascara look but not that heavy full on volume product heavy feel but the same impact.

I really like the Dior pump 'n volume but the Chanel definitely has a volume edge over it which would end in a clumpy mess if I attempted the same impact with the Dior, which is the only downside with the Chanel, it can feel a bit much to me, with some careful low pressure strokes I may achieve a subtler look but it's a bit more effort.

I did also get samples of their new matte lipstick which is lovely but the liquid powder lip (I'll have to look up the actually name) is a bit rubbish to wear which is really annoying as it's a stunning colour and looks amazing on.

Thanks Enid I will try tight lining. Actually I've used rapidlash in the past and yes it really does work. Pity they don't do something similar for thickening! Botemp I think I will try that Chanel mascara. I do find it a real trial and error thing with mascara though, I genuinely believe people have different lashes that respond differently. For example, Dior Show was appalling on me - cloggy and awful - but others say it's fantastic. And Benefit They're Real works briĺliantly for me, but I've seen many posters saying it's rubbish. (They're Real isn't particularly thickening though, which is why I'm still searching).

Dior Show was appalling on me - cloggy and awful - but others say it's fantastic. And Benefit They're Real works briĺliantly for me, but I've seen many posters saying it's rubbish

I totally agree about mascara. I'm the complete opposite to this, love diorshow but They're real clogs and clumps terribly on me! How funny! I wonder if it's to do with eye shape and brush size too? Although I have deep set eyes as well so maybe not. 🤔

They're real clogs and clumps terribly on me! same here Enid. I like the roller lash one by Benefit though. I got a free trial size with a magazine this year and it’s lasted ages and no clumps. I’ve got Lancôme hypnose mascara coming for Christmas so I’ll see how that fares.

I like Bobby Brown Smokey Eye mascara. It's one of the many I've tried, which doesn't clump. It doesn't last long though - 2 to 3 months.

I like hypnose JD. It's good for length. Pupsie That's a brilliant proper black black mascara but smudges on me, more than any other. It's a shame as it looks great at first.

I've just bought Bobbi brown smokey eye mascara.....

I tried the BB smoky eye and it was really good, nice and natural but very defining. It irritated my eyes (I think) so I probably won’t repurchase personally but it is good otherwise.

I used to love benefit roller lash and used it for years, it’s another one that’s lengthening rather than thickening though. Over summer it suddenly started running and giving me panda eyes so I’ve moved onto DHC now which is a tubing one. It’s not very dramatic but I’m lucky to have fairly decent thick dark lashes, they just need a bit of length and definition.

Nigella I stalked you for your photo and you have lovely eyes! But I agree tightlining is great for making eyelashes look thicker, I’d never attempted it till fairly recently as I thought I’d poke my eye out but actually find it surprisingly easy.

Mint I haven’t tried the simple cleansing oil yet - I’m still working my way through the hylamide I found in my stash, I had more than I thought!

Merry Christmas eveyone. I hope you all have peaceful, lovely day whatever your plans. 💗🎄

Merry Christmas 🎄 xx

Merry Christmas to all, I’ve been MIA over the last few weeks but wanted to say hello again! DD woke us up before 6am this morning, after several night of poor sleep so I’m going to need all the skincare and makeup skills I’ve got to look half human today :)