Royal Style thread: part 2

[QueenOfTheAndals]

As requested!

[Paradyning]

There is no bloody way I'd curtesy to them.

[SenecaFalls]

That article makes assumptions about what order of precedence means. I doubt that the Queen's updates say anything about curtsying. There is no photographic evidence because they don't routinely bow and curtsy to anyone but the Queen and other monarchs.

[QueenOfTheAndals]

@kooshbin You're right - look at that hideously embarrassing photo of Theresa May curtsying to Prince William. She's the Prime Minister FFS, why should she have to curtsy to him??

[kooshbin]

SenecaFalls - that article was the first that showed up on a quick'n'dirty google. But I do recall other articles at the time when the Queen issued updates about who was to curtsy to others. And it was quite complicated because it all depended on whether the husband (for married-in women) were there or not.

I recall one article with a photograph of the Queen arriving somewhere and William and Kate did the knee-bending but Beatrice and Eugenie didn't. The article explained that B&E had already curtsied to the Queen that day, so didn't need to do that again. Presumably that curtsying by B&E happened in private. Yes, that curtsying was to the Queen. But why would it be necessary to stipulate when Kate curtsies to Camilla, and when Camilla curtsies to Kate? I don't think the absence of photographic evidence helps, because all that bowing and curtsying would be in private. And the Queen is a stickler for carrying on the protocols established by her mother.

PS: I love your screenname. It's only in recent years, from getting into history, that I recognise the significance.

QueenOfTheAndals - That was cringing. Teresa May should know that it's a constitutional monarchy. Just a brief bow would have sufficed. It's demeaning to women to have to abase themselves that way, let alone a female Prime Minister.

[CurlyWurlyTwirly]

Poor old Fergie is going to be like a Jack-in a box at her daughters wedding. She’ll have to curtesy to anyone with a title!

Presumably when Charlotte is 18; Bea & Euj will have to curtesy to her.

[CurlyWurlyTwirly]

Aren’t Megs & Harry off to the theatre 🎭 Wednesday night.?

I think we may need to crack open the new thread to minutely discuss her outfit. Are you ready @QueenOfTheAndals?

Hope it’s a really smart cocktail frock either Stella McCartney or Mouret

[SenecaFalls]

because all that bowing and curtsying would be in private. And the Queen is a stickler for carrying on the protocols established by her mother.

I think it less likely that they do it in private, except to the Queen. I seriously doubt that William bows to Charles in private the first time he encounters him on a particular day.

[Watchingtheworldgoby]

I seriously doubt that William bows to Charles in private the first time he encounters him on a particular day

Indeed. I think it is more likely that William veers off in another direction to avoid him altogether!

[VanillaSugar]

I saw footage of Eug & Bea curtseying tithe Queen Mother once. Also, Charles Spencer revealed that at Charles and Diana's engagement party, all he heard was the sound of knees cracking as the old Dowagers tried to get back up.

Yes, new thread please!!

[QueenOfTheAndals]

Harry and Megs aren't off to the theatre til next weds, not tonight, so I think this thread will last another couple of days and then I'll do a new one!

[QueenOfTheAndals]

@Watchingtheworldgoby aren't there rumours that Williams keeps his family away from Charles? I thought I read somewhere that Charles complained that he doesn't see his grandchildren as much as he'd like. If true then I wonder if it's to do with what happened with Diana?

[QueenOfTheAndals]

Theresa May's curtsy here is truly bizarre - you can't even tell which leg is in front! And honestly, if William and Kate are the down to earth couple they claim to be then why on Earth don't they say enough is enough and let it be known that they don't want people curtsying to them?

Even weirder was Vanessa Redgrave, famous for being a radical lefty, genuflecting for him at the Baftas a few years ago.

[VanillaSugar]

William's face says "oh get up TM ffs!"

Being kind to Vanessa, Natasha Richardson had died not too long before the BAFTAS and I thought at the time that Vanessa's mind was all over the place. Her speech was bizarre but I sobbed through it all

[CurlyWurlyTwirly]

Theresa Mays's curtsey is so weird because she has appalling posture even when standing. When curtseying she looks like a toad.
The most graceful curtsey I've seen.is CP Mary.
She obviously knows when she will need to curtsey as she always wears a nice flared skirt which looks elegant.

[CurlyWurlyTwirly]

I'm sure we'll be getting a DM article about curtseying soon!

[QueenOfTheAndals]

We should demand royalties from the Mail and Hello!

[susurration]

@curlywurlytwirly there was an article not that long ago from one of the papers. I can't remember which one (probably was the DM). It detailed all of the heights to which each lady dipped when curtseying to the queen.

[QueenOfTheAndals]

The Swedes have released their holiday snaps. Estelle is a joy - such a little personality!

[Cornwall73]

Great photos, Estelle looks so like Victoria!

Do other royal houses go in for curtsies?
I wonder if Charles will do away with this when he becomes king. There will obviously be a pecking order but I wonder if he will still encourage his mum’s traditions?

[Watchingtheworldgoby]

Bowing down to greet someone because you are so inferior to them does not sit well with me. At all. I think if I was forced to do it, I would make a very exaggerated caricature type bow so it would be very clear to everyone what I was doing!

[SenecaFalls]

Do other royal houses go in for curtsies?

Certainly with each other they seem to, hence CP Mary curtseying to the Empress of Japan in the earlier posted photo. I'm not sure to what extent their subjects are expected to bow and curtsey to them, though. I would expect especially the Scandinavian countries to be rather casual about it.

[Watchingtheworldgoby]

Everyone bows in Japanese culture, I don’t think that is really comparable.

[SenecaFalls]

They don't normally curtsey to the floor in Japanese culture, which is what Crown Princess Mary is doing in that photo.

[CurlyWurlyTwirly]

Apparently Eugenie is going to wear the York tiara at her wedding.
Was made for Sarah.
I really hope she has a pretty dress, which suits her.

[dinosaurkisses]

@QueenoftheAndals any chance of a new thread when this one is filled up?