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🐌 Fantastic Skincare: Hairmageddon looms...

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botemp · 20/02/2018 11:00

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For those who are taking a peek and wondering what this all about, we mostly discuss a bit of advanced skincare here with a perspective of seeking out the right ingredients (rather than the latest new shiny product and all its empty promises) for our particular skin needs. Distinguishing the acid toners from the actives whilst avoiding the truly unimpressive and harmful ingredients with a hope to achieve a bit of anti-ageing, alleviate irritation and sensitivities with some idle chat in between. Newcomers are always welcome but please note the following:

Questions and asking for help on this thread is encouraged, however, we can’t give you a specific routine to follow and hope it works out for the best. There are no overnight miracles in skincare whether it be in the form of products or techniques. It’s about perseverance, understanding your skin, assessing its needs and responding to that in a diligent manner.

These threads were created to help those who want to learn for themselves. We’re a group of interested and invested skincare nuts happy to offer tea and sympathy and dole out advice. Everyone’s journey with skincare is different, what is universal and binds us is that through actually learning about the different active ingredients it helps us get to know our skin and help us adapt as it will change many times throughout our lives - with seasons, hormonal changes, ageing, genetics etc. It's in everyone's best interests to get to know their skin and to keep reviewing those changes with the confidence that comes from the gathered knowledge here. We really encourage you to spend the time reading through previous threads and linked info sheets that the many contributors have taken the trouble to share.

By no means are we experts, we're only a bunch of amateurs that can only respond by suggesting what we would do in your place, for any severe conditions please seek out professional help.

Ahem, and finally a little note on spending. I'm well aware these threads cause many to reach for their wallets and spend with wild abandon. There can sometimes be a bit of a frenzy surrounding the excitement around a newly discovered product or on the back of great improvements when someone reports back. This is all great, it doesn't however, mean everything that's a sudden miracle for one will be it for you. Usually, it's a light bulb moment for connecting the right skincare ingredient with an individual experiencing a specific problem. Take your time to mull over decisions and question whether it's right for you too. Skincare is highly individual, it's a slow game that should cost mostly in patience, input, education, and perseverance. Please don't make it cost you financially needlessly.

I am very slowly working on consolidating the gathered information from previous threads into easier to read formats but it’s slow going. I would suggest reading thread 1 and at the very least the following info sheets (provided they apply to you):

Where to Start

Basics of an Actives Routine

Skin Types vs. Skin Conditions Info Sheet

Anti-Ageing Info sheet

Adult Acne Info Sheet

NEWish since previous threads:

Understanding Which Sunscreen(s) to Buy

Do I Really Need to Wear Sunscreen Every Single Day of the Year?

A Damaged Skin Barrier - Now What?

FEBRUARY 2018: The month of February sucks. Period. We’re sick of winter and the state of our finances, some are embracing frugality (in different shapes and forms) but water bills and car maintenance are ruining our buzz. Hair appointments need to be made despite the palpitations of fear that the mere thought incites. Oh, and skin texture. As you were...

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SallieSallow · 18/03/2018 13:01

I've just watched the video and in my case I do agree with her (may not apply to everyone though). When I was younger I used some very harsh products aimed at oily skin which I know now strip the skin and encourage more oil. This included that awful Clinique toner which could literally strip paint, never mind skin Shock In my mid 30s/40s I moved on to the heavy duty anti ageing ranges which were mainly just fluff and puff (no actives) and either did nothing at all or made me really greasy & broke me out in spots. Then I'd go skeetering off in a panic back to the harsh oily/spot prone skin ranges and ended up in a vicious circle of skin doom.

I'd love to try DE but unless they make free or reasonably priced samples available or offer a no quibble money back guarantee I'm not willing to pay their prices for something that may not give me the results I want, and at that price point I would be expecting pretty significant visible improvement in my skin. I feel the same about all the other expensive brands like Verso and medik 8, I'd be more than happy to pay to get truly noticeable results (and it's still cheaper than Botox, cosmetic procedures etc) but I'm wary about spending that sort of money on something that may be no better than my current and much cheaper products.

JDSTER I have pretty much the same apps that have been mentioned - music, tv/movies, reading (kindle), WhatsApp, quite a few travel ones, some photo editing ones and a few specific to my bank/bills. The only game app I have is card shark which is a load of different card games. I don't use the apps that much on my phone (apart from the music ones and the travel ones where you download your boarding pass) as I have an iPad but handy to have them there if I'm out and about without the iPad.

Tantpoke · 18/03/2018 13:49

I'm quite interested in trying out the DE protini as a night cream over my actives and the DE tinted spf looks right up my street.

I think I've gone overboard with daily Vit C am and retinol pm this last week or so because when I applied the most basic of hydrating products this morning it all stung very slightly.

Tantpoke · 18/03/2018 13:53

Around my eyes is no longer sore and crepey but I'm going to be super careful as to what goes near them next week.

I have to say they did only start stinging after I applied Filorga time-filler but I still reckon its a combination of the over use of the other actives.

JDSTER · 18/03/2018 17:02

Thanks for app recommendations. Some good ideas thanks. I’ve finally got music and a photo storage option now.

A long time ago now someone on here mentioned a kindle book which was fitness or dietary related. It was an old book I think so probably free or certainly very cheap. A bit of a long shot but anyone got any idea?

JDSTER · 18/03/2018 17:11

Tant these are my facial massager gizmos. Sarah Chapman one kind of opens up to be used on jawline and sides of neck. It feels quite firm on the skin. The jade one cooling on the skin which is nice around the eyes. I wouldn’t have bought either particularly, but both free with other purchases and I actually do quite like them. I’ve been reminded to use them more since we’ve been discussing them on here.

botemp · 18/03/2018 19:26

otyt, yes, you had mentioned the depression before, hence the worry Smile.

BHA is a really personal decision. So long as you're not ingesting it and using concentrations under 2% it's deemed 'safe' for use during pregnancy but not everyone is comfortable enough with that. Alternatives are an AHA, but they tend to make you more photosensitive which isn't a good thing. Azeleic would be an option but you'd probably need to get it prescribed, though you can get it through Boots' acne clinic without too much hassle IIRC, but probably best to discuss with a GP or similar. Possibly Mandelic Acid would be a good fit for you at this time as it has less of the pigmentation issues and it's preferred by POC over glycolic and lactic for that reason.

You can stick with chemical formulations for SS but try to avoid avobenzone (INCI name: Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane) and oxybenzone. Also watch out for Retinyl Palmitate as it shows up in SPF incis now and then. Again, they are possible hormone disruptors rather than proven so theoretically considered 'safe'.

Tsk, tsk, yong, don't you know you're supposed to move from influenzaville to affluenzaville where all the sickeningly rich bastards reside? You're not supposed to take the scenic route past tonsilitis! Hope you're doing better today Brew

Yes, Sophie, I use the Toleriane Ultra Night and like it a lot more than I thought I would. I've been taking a look at the Medik8 Retinol, going by the INCI I suspect it's in the same base as the CE Tetra which is very light and absorbs really easily. However, things to keep in mind, it is a retinol in a dropper bottle which makes it harder to keep stable which would explain why it's a weeny 15ml bottle and that makes it kind of expensive. I suspect you'll use a bit less but per/ml it's not that much cheaper than the Medik8 R-r, not that I'm suggesting you get that instead but just something to be aware of as it's a smaller amount than normal, which perhaps is also nice as it's a bit of a trial?

Joz, I'm not a fan of the essential oils in the Sukin but if you're not overly sensitive since you're washing it all off not super problematic.

Pupsie, just playing devil's advocate, how sensible is the jade roller purchase? I tend to classify massagers as innocuous but it's a different story if you have rosacea, you have to both minimise massages in terms of frequency, pressure, and time (no longer than a minute really) but the temperature change induced by the jade would be another possible irritant for rosacea.

JDSTER, I think the more interesting question always is, what apps have you paid for? I have a few functional ones -wallet by budgetbakers which I like a lot, a few banking/creditcard/paypal, a couple of shops, Aftership, a shipping tracker that's handy as it keeps track of various different couriers, Feedly acts as my RSS reader, I have a lot of international papers and magazine feeds in there. Kindle, I mostly seem to be reading the samples lately though Blush

Pupsie recommended Seconds for the Tabata timer and I'm really pleased with that. Can't decide whether to upgrade it though as the only benefit I can really see is that it would save me from setting it up every morning, which takes, well, seconds. Do you have the full version Pupsie?

I like a lot of the Google apps, Google Keep gets the most use, checklists, random links, things I want to see/do, meal planning, grocery lists, etc. It's very simple but being able to tag things is quite helpful. I tried Evernote and Pocket before but never got on with them like I have with Google Keep.

Snapseed makes for a really nice photo editor, Visco as well, I'm not much of a selfie queen though so not sure how well it works for that. Makeupplus is quite fun to play with.

I have Babbel in a few languages to keep it fresh, mostly in a run-up to a holiday.

Offtime is brilliant to ensure some quality non-phone time.

AdGuard blocks ads in any browser, which works brilliantly, the premium version also blocks ads in apps which saves you shelling out for ad free versions.

The app that's sitting there and mocking me is YourCloset, my dreams of photographing everything I own and having it organised like I'm Cher in Clueless remains a hollow dream...

Kindle books I mentioned recently were, The Telomere Effect (that's pretty cheap at the moment), The Science of Skincare by Hannah Sivak, and Brain Food: The Surprising Science of Eating for Cognitive Power.

mint, that mineral SPF isn't new, it's been around for a bit. Perhaps new to the UK market? It's got a nice fluid consistency but it has a bit of a white cast, so depends on how fair you are really.

Pupsie, I'll look at that video later, I don't think it explains everything, I think it's more like a factor, as one among many others, diet, general wellbeing/health, sun exposure, the hardness of water, humidity levels, etc. in combination with your genetics. However, these threads have very much opened my eyes as to how damaging some products can be without people realising it, I've always been sensitive (it goes beyond skin, same as some people have an atopic disposition) so never went too mad with anything. Then again, sometimes you end up on a thread on MN where people have brilliant skin despite absolutely abusing it (if it was my skin) that makes my poor face freak out just at the mere thought of it. I also have to keep in mind that us skincare obsessives are only a very small representation of the general population that uses skincare regularly and a very specific one at that.

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Pupsiecola · 18/03/2018 19:34

JDSTER was it The Beck Diet Solution, sort of CBT/changing your habits/attitudes around food?

Pupsiecola · 18/03/2018 19:40

Fair point re the roller Bo. And yes, I have the paid for version of Seconds.

botemp · 18/03/2018 19:44

Any noticeable difference with the free version? I only use it for skipping rope so it's pretty simple but I imagine if you do a lot of varied routines it's helpful to have the full version.

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Pupsiecola · 18/03/2018 20:14

I have a lot of pre programmed routines and also just different timers, so say 20 minutes of 40 seconds on, 20 seconds off.

seventh · 18/03/2018 20:22

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mintmagnummm · 18/03/2018 20:30

Bo I think it must be new to the uk as I've never seen it before. How does it compare to the anti ageing one? Apart from one is chemical and other mineral.

mintmagnummm · 18/03/2018 20:31

Decided against using the bha

mintmagnummm · 19/03/2018 06:41

What's everyone here using as a first make up etc removing cleanse?

SophieLion · 19/03/2018 07:16

Hello Bo. Many thanks for taking a look at the Medik8 for me. As always, very sensible advice.

Re your comment on dropper bottles: I opened my Vichy vit C (also a dropper bottle) and now keeping it in the fridge. I am using the normal lid to store it and only putting the dropper on when I actually use it. Am I achieving much or should I just keep the dropper on all the time in the fridge?

Generally regarding retinol use, I think I am going to wait a bit until I feel my skin has settled down and "stabilised". Since changing cleanser and possibly using the HA serum, the lines around my eyes when I smile are looking better (so I suspect they were as a result of dehydration or dryness) BUT..... I still have issues with spots.

Got some spots after using the TO in squalene so stopped that. I used the Vichy vit C for the first time on Saturday. I didn't really feel a tingle when it went on but later in the day I noticed my skin felt a bit dry. I also got two or three spots on my forehead (not the under the skin ones). I read that vit C (and L-AA as in the Vichy one) can take a while to adapt to so will persevere a bit as don't really think any INCI in the Vichy should cause me a problem. I am starting off with using it twice a week so will see what happens next time I put it on. Interestingly not had any problems with the CC Melano (although am only putting it on red marks) nor did I have with the Castalia 10% vit C I used before (no idea what type of vit C was in it though).

Just getting fed up as it's horrible have spots constantly popping up in random places plus scars from old spots. Especially with my white skin Sad

SophieLion · 19/03/2018 07:28

Hi Mint, I'm currently using the Dermalogica pre-cleanse. I like it and it seems to do a good job (even though I know not everyone approves of Dermalogica on this thread Grin)

botemp · 19/03/2018 07:43

mint, if you go back a couple pages to around the first of the month, most have posted their routine alongside their empties.

Sophie, keep the dropper in, otherwise you'd need to clean and sterilise the dropper before and after each use. I had a touch of tightness when first using the Vichy too but it dissipated after that.

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botemp · 19/03/2018 07:54

Speaking of first cleansers though, Muji have finally expanded their skincare line in the EU to include my much beloved oil cleanser and the high moist toner. Is anyone near one and willing to take a pic of the oil cleanser' INCI as there are two and only the one for sensitive skin is good. I'm pretty sure that's the one they're selling but there's no INCI on the website to be found.

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mintmagnummm · 19/03/2018 08:30

Oh yes I forgot about that bo! Also you missed my question about how the two spf's compare? If you had to choose one over the other which would u choose?

Jozxyqk · 19/03/2018 11:19

I've used products with essential oils before & can't recall ever having had a reaction. Obviously there's always a first time, but I'll not try anything else new for a while, while I'm trying out the face wash.

SophieLion · 19/03/2018 11:31

Just discovered two jade rollers in my house! Probably wouldn't have paid them any attention had you lot not been talking about them Grin

Just read back over the thread to see what I do with them. For puffy eyes? Do I just roll them all over my face?! At night? Is there a particular method?

JDSTER · 19/03/2018 13:13

pupsie and bo not telomere effect or beck diet. It wasn’t you who mentioned it bo. Unless I trail back in the threads I’ll never know but thanks for replies.

mintmagnummm · 19/03/2018 13:40

Also bioderma micellar (pink one) or Clinique ttdo balm for removing make up on sensitive very dehydrated combo skin?? 🤔🤔

miffy2 · 19/03/2018 13:54

Is anyone a fan of Hylamide Sub Q eye serum? I have used the face serum before and liked it. Watching Gothamista's 2017 favourite products and she loves this eye serum...tempted.

mintmagnummm · 19/03/2018 13:54

OR.....farmacy green clean balm??