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Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It

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Pupsiecola · 28/11/2016 23:37

In honour of bo who has been so helpful on the first thread, which can be found here...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/a2759152-Skincare-Ingredients

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Somersetlady · 12/12/2016 12:16

Aurora i have a shower and wash my face with to hot water.
I have already learnt so much from this thread but am really terrible as one of those people who will just buy anything and give it a whirl having no knowledge whatsoever.

I have always had good skin when not pregnant so never really had the need to bother. Only wear cc cream and chantecaille im doing aomething right at least for my lashes mascara.
Full Make up would be special occassion/night out only for me.

Now i am getting a bit older i am starting to feel i need to take care of my skin more but in all honesty am lost where to start.

Products I have loved were dr philip or maybe peter roth vit c face scrub - cant find it anymore and vit c eye cream by perricone MD.

All help much appreciated thank you.

AuroraPolaris · 12/12/2016 13:13

I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that what you are doing is just ehhmmm putting your face under the shower water and not cleansing it Xmas Wink?

There is absolutely no point in developing a good and targeted routine if you do not want to commit to this first and crucial step, as I'm also sure you know.

If you have good skin that is just a bit dry and/or dehydrated (I'm the same, just older than you) there could be nothing easier than establishing a good routine, but you should maybe change you POW and regard skincare as something which can actually be really enjoyable, pampering and fun and not some boring chore. That's how I see it in any case, otherwise it'll always remain (maybe) the last in a long list of daily chores and burdens. Wine

I'll get back to you later today when I have more time as I'm sure will bo.

yongnian · 12/12/2016 13:55

I will confess somerset (in the spirit of being encouraging) that I used to be a reluctant cleanser...I took make up off but that was about it really. I get very very tired in the evenings so like you, it was all I could do to slap a bit of moisturiser on.
But I started to get a bit more interested in skincare a while back, and looked at a lot of people's routines (I like reading Into the Gloss for this) and couldn't really avoid the fact that cleansing was an essential step. Round about the same time, the rosacea which I'd had the early stages of (but not realised) kicked up several notches, had it diagnosed and decided I really needed an effective management plan for it.
I read up on it and found that rice bran oil was often recommended as a second cleanse after make up removal.
I resolved to try it (and I do it earlier in the evening to avoid being too tired to) and found my skin really benefited and I actually found it quite soothing too, probably because I was doing it early enough not to just feel knackered and disinterested.
Bit by bit, my skin started to look so much better and I picked up my game in other areas of my routine. Eventually realised I should be cleansing AM too and now, having been a life-long lazy cleanser, I do a double-cleanse AM and PM. Skin has never looked so good (and I've learnt loads of here so am using more appropriate ingredients for various tricky skin issues which is also helping). I'm pretty sure that this basic step of keeping my skin cleaner and thus removing dead cells/stimulating cell turnover, plus the benefits of actually massaging my skin more, are really effective in improving the condition of my skin.
I actually really enjoy it now and make time for it, whatever's going on, because I feel tons better for it, so it's worth it.
Just wanted to share that as I know what it's like to think I really just haven't got the energy for this, but it can actually be really nice as well as effective.
This is worth a little watch for some inspiration:
intothegloss.com/2013/04/how-to-wash-your-face-part-1-one-isabelle-bellis-cleansing/

hollinhurst84 · 12/12/2016 14:05

Clearing out the backup drawers of doom. And my dressing table after Saturday night Grin

Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It
Fantastic Skincare And Where To Find It
Indecisivejo · 12/12/2016 14:58

Has anyone tried the hylamide hydra density mist? Or the high effeiciency cleanser?

Somersetlady · 12/12/2016 15:45

Thank you Yong and Aroura the time has come I fear for me to commit to cleansing once a day twice or double cleansing seems too giant of a step but what cleanser to try first?

Somersetlady · 12/12/2016 15:48

First question yhen do i just have to bin everything i have that has already been opened?

yongnian · 12/12/2016 15:58

somerset I can't recommend a cleanser for your skin type sorry but both bo and aurora have said they'll be back with more detailed info and they'll probably have reccs. for you.
Usually the advice on here is not just to completely bin everything you're using, but it depends on the specifics of your needs and what you're already using and what else you might need. I fear you might get told to bin the st Ives though!!!! Grin
Sorry not to be more help, but didn't want you to go unanswered for now.

Somersetlady · 12/12/2016 16:39

Thanks yong in hospital after a miscarriage so have mpre time on my hands than usual to mumsnet.

Somersetlady · 12/12/2016 16:40

but seemingly not enough time to spell check

yongnian · 12/12/2016 16:49

So so sorry to hear that somerset Flowers. Hope you recover as soon and as best as can be expected.
Chat away as much as you like, no doubt everybody else will be stopping by soon into the home for skincare obsessives

yongnian · 12/12/2016 16:50

I think you have an entirely reasonable excuse for not spell checking...

yongnian · 12/12/2016 16:52

hollin I think we may have to have an optional 'show us yer drawers' photo section on here!!!!!! not that I'm envious of your dressing table booty

yongnian · 12/12/2016 17:02

Meanwhile I'm in heaven trawling through Muji's travel bottles/tubs etc as I managed to entirely justify needing some new ones to decant my skincare routine into before going away next week.....might get some unbleached cotton squares to go with....

AuroraPolaris · 12/12/2016 19:07

Somersetlady so so sorry about your miscarriage FlowersFlowersFlowers

Which cleanser do you own already?

(Back later...)

Pupsiecola · 12/12/2016 19:19

If you order skincare and forget you have done so until it arrives two weeks later does that mean you have a problem? In my defence it was an exceptionally good offer on Balance Me via the Telepgraph (£80 worth of stuff for £15 I think).

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Pupsiecola · 12/12/2016 19:21

Somersetlady I am sad to read about your miscarriage Flowers.

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WendlaBergmann · 12/12/2016 19:22

Wow! I have just spent a large part of today encouraging a toddler to use a potty with the help of CBeebies for him and the first of these threads for me. BlushI'm not a bad mum, honest!

I popped in initially as I was in Boots looking for something to help my rosacea. This is an occurrence which happens regularly as nothing works. At the moment I'm red of cheek and spotty. Joy. There was someone posting in thread 1 who had similar skin, but I lost where she went.

Skin type: Dehydrated and oily (can it be both?)

Approx age (range): 39

Primary skin concern: Rosacea in cheeks,

Routine:
AM: Lush aqua marina - I used it years ago and found it soothing, I suspect because of the calamine, it's ridiculously drying though, but I don't feel like I can bin it
LRP Seroznic
Neutrogena gel cream - a hydration blue one. My skin seems to drink this up.

PM: Soap & glory cream cleanser. Gift from my sister. Doesn't seem to be irritating but not doing anything wonderful.
Seriznic again
2-3 nights Pixi glow tonic on fohead, nose, chin and décolleté
LRP effaclar duo on those same areas
Body shop nutriganics night creamon cheeks

Occasional treatments:

Things I've tried in the past with disastrous results:
I used to be a CRoline Hurons devotee, pre baby, but since having my toddler things that were great seem too strong for my skin.

I don't get in with silicones in products, they seem to make me break out
I can't exfoliate with anything grainy at all
Too many essential oils - like in the botanics balm cleanser, turn me into a tomato
The LRP and Avene redness ranges made not a hot of difference
Liz Earle used to be fab, but now stings
Things that are really working well for me now:
The Seriznic feels lovely and calms the redness, although the bottle says to take off excess with a tissue which I don't do.
Any dietary/health concerns/pregnant:
Just had an early miscarriage.

What I'm willing to spend on a single skincare item: >£10, £10-20, £20-50, £50-100, no limits.
Cheap is better as I was made redundant on mat leave

I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]...
Sunscreen - I know I need one but outside of the sort you use on holiday I've relied on makeup for. I wear make up far less frequently than when working and am outside more often.
Retinoids/ acids to exfoliate - should I be using them? Are any ok for use with rosacea? Are there any that help? I was looking at Niacinimide in the first thread, but think I should probably get my skin calm and less sensitive before adding actives. I did see recommendations for the LRP toleriane range and wondered if that might be worth a shot and if alongside a decent spf I might start to feel a bit better.

BadgerIt · 12/12/2016 19:26

Flowers thank you, bo.

I diverted the troops and spent an hour queueing while they waited in the car but the emergency is over - I have the Kiehl's. Xmas Grin don't worry, spf is being worked in too!

Somersetlady · 12/12/2016 19:58

Thank you ladies. I am not great at holding onto pregnancies. 7 pregnancies and only two beautiful babies so far. I count myself lucky to have the two.

I am going to concentrate on looking after my skin as my body has taken rather a battering over the last few days due to a hemorrhage. I will look forward to having beautiful skin in time to try again.

So I have done my first cleanse tonight using LRP Toleriane Dermo cleanser as its tecommended a lot on here and had the instructions on the bottle.

I also appear to have in stock *Clinique rinse off foaming cleanser
*Eve Lom cleanser
Lancome galateis doucher gentle softening cleansing fluid
*La prairie purifying cream cleanser
*No 7 beautiful skin hot cloth cleanser

which is an embarrassing amount for someone who doesnt event cleanse

So oh wise ones-
Can i use them if they have never been opened?
Should i throw them if they have been open longer than a certain amount of time?
Which one is best for dry and neglected skin?

botemp · 12/12/2016 21:00

Somerset

Flowers, Sorry to hear you're having such a hard time right now. Happy to help distract you with skincare Smile.

As yongnian noted don't be too hard on yourself, everyone on this thread was a rubbish cleanser and carer of their face at some point and managed to get a bit more serious about it. Everyone has their trigger that motivates it, ours just came a bit sooner probably and came with a bit more urgency.

Looking back it really shouldn't have surprised me that my skin went to pots when it did, I was mid twenties, exhausted from caring for my terminally ill mother for months on end, little sleep, inconsistent diet, add in the PCOS and a slap dash incidental routine you can see where it all went wrong. I'm sort of happy that it did though, my newly forming skincare routine gave me a bit of purpose during my period of grief, it forced me to have a start and an end to a day, it made me get out of bed and it allowed me get back in after a tough day. I was okay if I managed those two things. It gave me something I could actually fix and influence day by day and see the results of my labour doing good even though I made the same mistakes initially as everyone else, slapping on anything that sounded good, lacking patience and hoping for the best. It takes a bit to learn and adapt but once you find a bit of confidence with it through some education and some trial & error, skincare becomes a different experience.

These days it's a lovely self indulgent quiet moment to myself and I like to think there's a meditative quality in it too. I thought I had good skin before, a bit sensitive but it was pretty self sufficient and could withstand a bit of neglect but I can confidently say it's so much better now than it was in my early twenties, it looked fine before it actually looks good now, I just never knew the difference.

For you the carving out of time for your routine should really be the first thing to work on, mornings most of us try to keep in minimal steps anyhow so shouldn't take up a lot of time, it's mostly adjusting to it and soon enough it becomes habit provided you're consistent. To save time some of us do our routine at night when we get home or tie it to after you've finished dinner, etc. rather than delaying it till bed time when you're less likely to do it as you're tired.

AM

LRP Dermo Cleanser, I know you mention not being a HCC girl but honestly it's the quickest way to wash your face provided you've got a good supply of flannels. Slather on, rub a bit and remove with wet warm-ish towel. Takes 30 secs at most. Alternatively a Konjac sponge may be the thing for you (no personal experience though, yongnian, were you the one that bought one in shopping frenzy recently?)

TO Matrixyl or TO Buffet (dependant on whether you'll be TTC again, retinols are off the table during pregnancy so Matrixyl makes for a good interim) - if you can spare about 20 more secs.

If you're up for snail goo the Benton Steam Cream is a nice one for dryer skin but you can probably use a lot of moisturisers without issue. A richer one from Face Theory will make for a decent budget one like the Rejuvenating Moisturiser M2 or the Relaxing Night Cream M10 (or both for N&D accordingly) or the Regenerating Moisturiser M4 which has a retinol in it, see note above about retinol. Even though your current moisturiser isn't impressing you much provided it doesn't irritate you or cause adverse reactions I'd try finishing that up first.

SPF - I figure you'll be happy with the LRP Anthelios Fluide SPF50, I wouldn't attempt the Biore due to high alcohol content which is not the best with dry skin.

Then proceed with CC cream, etc.

PM

Erborian actually make quite a nice cleansing balm/cream with dual purpose, Solid Cleansing Oil 2 in 1. It first turns from an oil cleanser for makeup into a cream cleanser for the face which sounds a bit hocus pocus marketing talk but it's a decent and comfy cleanser. I'm normally a big double cleansing advocate but you wear such minimal makeup I think this one might actually just about cover you and you can always try experimenting with using the LRP dermo cleanser after and see if that makes a difference for you or not.

Rosehip oil.

Night cream (see suggestions above) if you need it.

I'm deliberately keeping the night routine as short as possible while you get some consistency into your routine and your face out of the shower Grin. Once you're in the habit of a steady routine you can expand it as follows:

Cleanse as above.

BR P50(w) every other day (not to be used w. retinols), you sound to have pretty resilient skin so you wouldn't be on the W for very long by my estimation. Maybe someone else on this thread is willing to send you a decant as mine is just about finished and I have a different version now and you can buy the normal version if you get on well with it. I don't think it smells strongly (the W) at all but the higher concentrations do have a bit of a stronger vinegar smell but it's not annoying in my experience and only really when you open the bottle, on the pad it isn't as strong of a scent and you get used to it pretty quick.

Serums, Vit C (23%), Niacinamide(10%), Retinol (2%) from TO all great for anti-ageing along with several others discussed on this thread but these three stand at the base of it and don't necessarily need to come from TO and can also be incorporated into your morning routine (possibly on alternate days) placing the Matrixyl/Buffet at night. Don't use all at once! You may also consider swapping out the Rosehip oil for the Pestle & Mortar Retinoil.

Possibly an eye product with retinol (like LRP Redermic R for eyes, the Verso Super Eye Serum) but reservations wrt retinol as above.

Rosehip oil.

Night cream as discussed above.

The St. Ives does indeed have to go. You can repurpose it to the body for a smooth behind or something Grin. Same goes with creams, the heavier ones for dry skin usually make for good hand creams. What do you have in your surely enormous stash currently? We can try see where we can fit it into your routine and avoid you buying a lot of new things unnecessarily.

AuroraPolaris · 12/12/2016 21:03

So so sorry for all the ladies here this evening who are TTC and have suffered miscarriages Flowers

Pupsie you've had a crazy few weeks, so you are entirely justified in forgetting your purchase... But it's kind of a nice surprise, no?

Somerset well done! And more so in your situation. Bo can hand you a medal later on...

It's good you started with the LRP as it is indeed a gentle cleanser.
With your skin I would begin with an oil or balm cleanser (DHC or Muji oil cleansers) in the PM and if wearing foundation/ CC cream follow with the LRP second cleanse. AM cleanse with the LRP.
Clinique cleanser is too harsh and the LP has MO quite a few parabens and shitty ingredients in general. WTF are they charging for? Avocado oil????

Then you can follow with P50W about three times a week in the PM. If you haven't used acids proceed with care.

(Not a nessasary step but I love sprays - so something like LRP Serozinc or thermal water or Caudelie Grape Water).

Then hydrating serum - Hylamide sub Q or TO Buffet or Matryxil.

THen facial oil - PAI rosehip is lovely but quite potent, Clarins Lotus Oil, One of the newish Caudelie oils... There are many. If your skin doesn't react to stuff in general, just choose any of these and stick to it 3-4 drops in the PM and one or two AM.

Then a moisturizer - maybe post what you have so we can see if any are good. PM if you still feel you need something on top of the oil you can use an overnight mask like Clinique or an Asian one.

Last but not least SPF 30 or 50.

Once you have established a basic routine and know that these products suit you you can start adding extra hydrating layers (like snail stuff or more oils, masks etc...) and more actives like Vit C and retinol.
Start simple and then build up from there.

AuroraPolaris · 12/12/2016 21:08

Haha X posts bo Grin almost identical!

botemp · 12/12/2016 21:09

x-post somerset, hadn't refreshed the browser in a bit.

LRP Dermo cleanser is more of a second cleanser than a first but don't worry, it can also be taken off with a warm flannel (think the instructions are cotton pad or wash off iirc)

Clinique rinse off foaming cleanser this contains a lot of drying ingredients, I wouldn't use this.
*Eve Lom cleanser

AuroraPolaris · 12/12/2016 21:14

Also agree with bo and yongian - do your routine early!
Now that it's winter I actually try to have a shower and do my routine the minute the kids get into bed, cause I know once my but hits the sofa or the bed it's so so hard to get up. Once I've done it and showered I also feel much more relaxed and get to enjoy all the lovely smells throught the rest of the evening.

Sorry to hear about your mom, bo, even though it was a while ago. My mom is also very ill at the moment.... And indeed skincare and beauty provide a lovely escape as well as sensory pleasure.
My mom had an operation a few weeks ago and a few days after when she was a bit better I brought a sheet mask to hospital and pampered her. Was so funny to see her lying there with all the shit around her and a face mask. She really enjoyed it!