Amanda Holden Bad Botox

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Dear lord her face looks terrible on This Morning.
Is it the botox or the fillers that makes a face look so weird?

Liz Hurley looks erm curious

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I am professionally interested to know how using botox can affect your ability to empathise...I am also interested to know how accurately and extensively that theory has been tested

I could understand how, if your face was immobilised, it might affect another persons ability to accurately assess the amount of empathy you were conveying.
This depends on how much you communicate with your face.

I can understand how your face may subtly mimic the expressions of another person and that your brain may make some perception of the mimicry of the other person's facial expressions. What that perception is or to what extent your being able to mimic it and it then being translated accurately means is another thing entirely and I am unsure that there is enough information for us to know.

I know that many people frown when thinking or concentrating. For some, this act or signal looks like disapproval, judgement or censure. This prevents an accurate flow of communication.
Botox can prevent this from happening and can provide a more accurate reflection of the empathy felt by the listener whilst assessment of the information is also being made

I think Liz Hurley looks as though she's had cheek fillers in that link, her brow seems unbotoxed. Does look a bit odd though.

I think la Hurley looks startled. She doesn't in other pics

The research suggests that it may affect your ability to transmit empathy and a full range of conscious and subconscious signifiers of emotion. Frowning while concentrating again is something that a perceptive and self aware practitioner would be aware of (all part of professional development, learning about ones body language etc) and also in context with all the other types of expressiveness, it wouldn't necessarily impede the therapeutic relationship from fully developing. However as you intimate, the research is as new as the use of cosmetic botox and time will tell.

I think it is an interesting avenue for research.

Annie

As we all know research suggests many things over time. I object to botox = bad for empathy being trotted out as fact however when it is far from proven that it is.
Also 'good' botox that allows movement would of course still give those indicators if they were ever proven to be relevant in any real sense.

Also a large number of practitioners never develop mastery over their facial expressions but oddly botox can help retrain muscles that are inappropriately overused and it can be useful in this way. Also many people aren't given the time or the opportunity to develop a therapeutic relationship with those they assess...

There was also research carried out to see if botox used cosmetically did in fact improve mood....

Perhaps there is something to be said for allowing an individual to do what they consider to be right for them, their work and their life.

As I said, time will tell and I find it interesting, that is all.

can't remember where I read the study to that effect ronald - was recent and widely reported.

I have no personal axe to grind it was just another thing that made me think I'd avoid botox. To me it's just common sense that it's not a good idea, whereas hair dye, teeth whitening (by dentist) or even facelifts I find more straightforward (more established, known risks, clearer practitioners etc)

Who knows and each to their own. It maybe that in another decade the picture is different, people's attitudes to ageing may be different, new things may have come along. On that basis it's not for me.

You could of course argue that having a permanent frown or a down-turned mouth when you aren't cross or grumpy belies your real mood so anything that puts your features back to a neutral position is favourable.

Equally, there is some evidence that some hairdye can cause some health problems, in some people - including possibly cancer.

Teeth whitening can destroy gums, teeth, and fillings if carried out incorrectly.

And we don't need surely to point out that face lifts with a general anaesthetic have a huge risk factor including stroke and death due to the GA.

So Botox in comparison looks positively benign.

soon botox will look archaic, we'll have stem cell therapy to restore us to our former youthful states

yy fruit fly tech

Bring it on!

I have Botox. I like it and it works - more than you can say for any anti-ageing cream.

Amanda Holden does looks weird. I suspect she's had a brow lift rather than Botox.

I don't see the point of arguing that Botox will turn everyone into Joan Rivers (Sorry, Joan and RIP). I think it's a bit like saying 'Never take drugs, kids 'cos, if you do, you'll all die'. So I agree, it can work although arguably only for a very limited amount of time. It's still not for me.

But I disagree that its the same as lipstick or hair dye. Those products are cosmetics whereas you need a health practitioner or a prescription to get hold of stuff like Botox. It's up to you but that's a pretty fat line in the sand for me. I won't pretend I relish looking older but it's not a disease and it's not a disfigurement.

yy ditto kylie
she had a brow lift 5+yrs ago that has resulted in her pirate eyebrow

often what is claimed to be botox is a mini facelift or a face and eyelift!

As for:
Emma Thompson has stated she'll never have Botox, fillers or plastic surgery -says it's "psychotic" to do so

is it not enough for her that she has been so successful and looks amazing for her age? why does she need to score points by slagging off those with less favorable bone structure who want to look a little more youthful

A sleb claiming not to have had any work means nothing.
I can think of a well-known celebrity who is very vocal about her lack of work. It's all good genes apparently - and drinking lots of water.

Except it's bollocks and she's had endless procedures. I've seen her in the waiting room!

Ha ha brilliant Nancy pm me please!

well yes, ET looks suspiciously good for 55

mm one very litigious american film star with a habit of flashing....

fair play but why lie?
I guess because some of the reactions on this thread? Not so pleasant

Botox can work with a doctor with a light touch.

Amanda H looks awful, her eyes seem to disappear into her face. She needs to see Dr Mountford one of the best Botox practisers in the UK

Another one (50) who's had Botox. DH against it but now agrees makes me look more "refreshed". I only have a bit and I'm sure he'll let me know if I go overboard.

IMO many celebs have Botox in an attempt to resemble their declared ages...

bloody Dr Mountford is the Eton Mess and Anti Pasti of botox threads

People have said I am do lucky to have such great skin and shouldn't ever consider anything like Botox! Little do they know!!!!

you've got me there Betty- what's that supposed to mean?