Amanda Holden Bad Botox

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Dear lord her face looks terrible on This Morning.
Is it the botox or the fillers that makes a face look so weird?

I am not sure what she meant either....

Pinkfrocks - yes, I know that advert is for fillers, that's what I said in my post.

I know EXACTLY what she meant. Mountford is the equivalent of pistol boots except you can get them in marks now and they are just as good

Still dont know what that means

She is no more expensive than other properly run places and I don't include Botox parties

Thing is you could always go to whoever AH went to, bet they weren't cheap

Can I just call a time out to ask about these Pistol lookalikes in Marks?

Sorry i didn't mean marks literally just on the high st!

However said Liz H only looked startled in the top photo, did you actually look at the other photos? She looks awful! Everything about her face looks totally weird.

Ah, and there was I thinking you'd found a gem in M&S! Thanks anyway, Noddy.

OK as you were.

I do think "mission creep" - where you start with the 11's and end up a duckpout android - is a reasonable thing to caution against. I have no doubt that my brow injections make me look better. But now I'm focusing on the lines around my mouth more than I did before.

I think in some circles, the plastic look has become specifically desirable. That is to say, as more rich women look like that, the more people who want to look like rich women will see it as desirable. And, while we are sometimes shocked by their shiny not-fooling-anybody faces, the fact is that we would probably be pretty unimpressed with the supposedly rich and powerful sleb who actually looked like a tired, aging woman.

But don't you think that's depressing, Fabulassie? Why shouldn't women celebs look older?

The problem for women slebs (well all of us come to that, but fortunately for most of us our careers don't depend on how we look) is the old adage that a you get older you have to choose between face and figure. If you let a few pounds creep on then you won't be so wrinkly if you try to get down to Victoria Beckham size then every line will show. Amanda Holden is a very bad advert for any cosmetic intervention - whatever it is she has had done makes her lovely face look like a ventriloquists dummy where only the mouth moves. My own view is that if you look OK then probably better to leave well alone - the idea that you can wind back 20 years to the way you looked in your early 20s (as a friend of mine was hoping when considering some laser-treatment or other) is just silly - unless you have a time machine. But I guess if you have very deep frown lines or wrinkles from smoking (another aid to keeping your weight down??) then a bit of Botox or whatever might do the trick. Personally I'd rather carry a few extra pounds, but then my work doesn't depend on my being a stick insect.

Not me, I'd think thank goodness for women enjoying fulfilling lives without being obsessed by their looks. Someone who laughs a lot is much more age-defying than someone with smooth skin.

Actually, there has been a rise of Botox in corporate environments because looking tired makes you look like you aren't coping well with your workload. So it's not just us laydeez or slebs, the men are at it too!

I'd think thank goodness for women enjoying fulfilling lives without being obsessed by their looks. Someone who laughs a lot is much more age-defying than someone with smooth skin.

Oh dear. we are back to the superior and patronising attitudes; women who care about how they look are obsessed, and maybe shallow as well, by inference. Their lives are not fulfilling?
Just exactly where is your evidence for that?

Someone who laughs looks younger than someone who doesn't look like a prune but who doesn't laugh - yeah, right.

It is possible to laugh and have smooth skin, ya know!

I think this is a relevant point
as more rich women look like that, the more people who want to look like rich women will see it as desirable

as a certain look becomes synonymous with wealth so more are motivated to emulate it, that's not necessarily a conscious process.

Yes, look at how facial tanning was popularised (allegedly) by Coco Chanel. The influence of celeb culture has morphed from insidious to overt sadly.

I thought it had been established by many posters here that you don't have to be rich to have the treatments.

or is that not what you meant?

Do you mean that looking line-free and less saggy is a sign of being upper class- like a tan was once considered the sign of being a peasant girl working in the fields and all upper class laydeez were pale skinned?

Whichever, I think women are intelligent enough not to hitch their social class to a touch of Botox.

I don't think it's morphed all that much, there has always been a trend for those lower on the socioeconomic scale to ape those at the top of the ladder, we unconsciously imitate and align ourselves with those whose status we aspire to
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Noooo.....

I meant that many people covet what they see. And if something is passed off as either desirable or a condition of acceptance (looking 'refreshed' or 'younger' or an attempt to deny ageing), there is a powerful impetus to ape it. It clearly no longer has anything to do with social class.

Nah..don't buy that really. Women since the beginning of time have wanted to make themselves look good- look at what Egyptian women did for themselves thousands of years ago.

If the 'look' to aspire to it looking unlined, fresh faced and dare I say it - younger- then that is what most women would like. You can still embrace the wisdom of older age but most women would like to make the best of themselves.

My mum is 87 and wishes you should afford a face lift and a body lift- and she;s not shallow.

you? she! LOL

I think in some circles, the plastic look has become specifically desirable.

I think that's true. Similar to breast implants, most people want natural looking boobs but some people specifically request breasts that look like oranges glued to the chest.