Amanda Holden Bad Botox

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Dear lord her face looks terrible on This Morning.
Is it the botox or the fillers that makes a face look so weird?

Emma Thompson's been botoxed within an inch of her life!

Haven't read the whole bunfight thread, but it's hardly just Amanda Holden, pretty much EVERYONE (Ok, possibly not Steve Backshall or that nice Mrs Brown lady) - judges/contestants/presenters on Strictly was Botoxed out of their brains this week, not a wrinkle in the studio. Judy Murray at least admits to it. At class coffee morning last week I was struck by a couple of very obviously Botoxed mums, scary stuff. The stuff is everywhere but because virtually no one is honest about it, it's very hard to know who's had it done well/badly/not at all and what the pros and cons might be.

Also, totally agree that done well Botox isn't noticeable and can just tweak but the problem with subtle Botox is, unless you are very sensible, it only makes you notice the remaining wrinkles/lines/jowls more and before you know it you're asking for more shots and before you know it you are Amanda Holden/Simon Cowell etc etc. It is a risky and very expensive minefield.

I don't know why people think Botox and fillers is so radical. All procedures from hair dyeing to facelifts are on a cosmetic line. Like I say, it's a personal matter as to how far you want to walk on that line. But they are all of the one category, cosmetic work.
Fillers, Botox etc have been around for what, 30 or 40 years, are well tried, rigorously tested and deemed to be safe.

Botox is an anti-aging product, it prevents lines in certain areas. Your face does not slide like warm Camembert when you stop. It's alarmist to suggest it does. In fact nothing dramatic happens when you stop these procedures. IMO if you notice a woman's work, it's been done very very badly.

To go back to the OP, I agree Amanda is hugely 'overdone'. but she obviously has her reasons for doing this.

But areyouthereg don't you think the vast majority of us are sensible and measured? I do.

I would like to think that this current lineless-face fashion will fall out of fashion, and we will all laugh at the horror that it is in years to come.

I don't agree that botox isn't drastic. You are injecting a poison into your system.

But you could call a lot of things a 'poison'. McDonalds food could be called a poison. Many of our medicines are poison. Much that grows is poisonous to us. Botox and fillers have been more rigorously tested than many food or even face creams. They are safe.

Are they? I wouldn't be too sure. Which is why I haven't had Botox yet. Although I've certainly been tempted.

just as an aside

I know a number of men who have botox..they simply don't have a 'lot' of botox
This includes a few men who are in their 40-50 age group as they feel the softening effect makes them look more approachable

this is the same as too harsh hair dye does you no favours
terrible make up does you no favours
atrocious clothing does you no favours
these things can all age you terribly

Something done badly or overdone can give you the opposite effect you were hoping for. Moderation in everything.
Including mean or sneering commentary dressed up as feminism

lurking I think the majority of us all THINK we are sensible and measured but what Botox does is irons out one bit only to make you more aware of your still existing imperfections. I'm speaking from experience, which is why even though I've had very successful subtle Botox and fillers with the very, very best, I won't be going back. The faces at coffee morning were a warning to me of where I'd be in a couple of years, as someone said upthread everyone thinks they look amazing or they wouldn't have had it done, but they don't, they look like they've had Botox.

I agree AH way too much but tbh I have never seen a non celeb with a face like that so may be the pressure within her circle/career. I know someone who has been having botox for something bladder related for over 30 years dose massive. She is in her 70s I think. Botox only works on certain lines it does nothing for firmness or general skin condition, face shape etc so it is not a magic potion for ageing more eradicates a tired look.

Yes, noddy, You're right, AH is not the usual on telly. Must be her circle. Shame.

I get you areyouthere, But it's like anything in life, there will be people who become addicted. No reason to outlaw it. For some people it's like alcohol or any addictive substance. For the most of us we'll manage it, and most have budgetary constraints anyway.

Seriously, you could call almost anything a poison. Cigarettes?? Now there's a poison. Alcohol? A direct poison. Yet lots of us knowingly imbibe a moderate dose and we have no ill effects. Botox is safe.

thing is with botox it's injecting botulism into your head so hardly comparable to a Mcdonalds

I'd be too scared to have it (another one who could afford it) in case of future scandal like breast implants

I know there was a recent finding that it can affect the user's ability to empathise

There have definitely been cases of fillers hardening/causing lumps and things going wrong, which get hushed up by the industry

Too risky imo

I did think the sex doll had more expression.

But it's the dose of Botox that makes it safe. My analogy stands, take a massive dose of McDonald's; it has side effects. Take a massive dose of Botox, it has side effects. Show me where medical use (cerebral palsy, ophthalmic use) or cosmetic use of Botox has been proven 'poisonous'.

If you go to someone reputable for your injections, they should explain all the risks to you. I'm not aware of any side effects being hushed up.

The medical analogy doesn't address the underlying issue. Thalidomide is damaging to a woman in the early stages of pregnancy but is therapeutic in Leprosy.

Even massive amounts of MacDonalds have some nutritional benefits alongside the harm they might do.

Botox, cosmetically has no therapeutic benefits per se other than the perceived sense of wellbeing caused by a user thinking they look more rested because of it.

And the research into the effects upon interpersonal relationships and empathy is intriguing. If you depend upon your face to express emotion, then sitting there relatively immobile in the face is going to impact upon the way you make and sustain human relationships.

Also, humans detect barely perceptible body language and expressions so the argument that 'good' botox doesn't show is not relevant here because on a subconscious level it would.

I dont undertstand all the fuss and horror about botox, it wears off after a few months, no damage, your face will not collapse if you stop having it.

The thing is, kids are terribly ageing.

As is sunshine, and being outside. Even with sunscreen on you may squint into the sun

Eating too much or too little plays havoc with your looks.

Running makes your face sag, SAG! and your boobs too.

Drinking coffee gives cellulite (all that caffeine)

drinking alcohol dries the skin terribly, and is just so and for you. As is smoking, and eating Pate.

Being stressed is what is worst through, leads to frowning and poor sleep (which leads to puffy face, wrinkles)

The bottom line is: :LIFE IS AGEING.

To avoid ageing, avoid life.

To look young for ever more, lock yourself into a clinic, don't have children, a job or inlaws and never go outside. In the clinic, ask to be put into a gentle sleep, whilst being fed through tubes.

This should keep the ageing process at bay nicely

Stay away from men too. They can be terribly ageing.

I plucked mcdonalds out of the air. Take alcohol as a different wxample if you will. I would question your massive doses of McDonald's having more nutritional benefit than doing harm. Anyway, I was just making a point that everything we ingest has a side effect of some kind. Botox has been widely tested and widely used and found to be safe in current dosages.

I still think that Botox can be well done and you can be left with enough facial movement to give expression. Do you not think a sense of well-being is a good result?

Lol! Yes, life is ageing. As my LO said this morning, 'every second I'm a little older'. Indeed. Mind you, her point was that it was great, we should be having a party every second, to celebrate 'every second' birthday!

I didn't say McD had more nutritional benefit than harm, I said at least it had some. And the research jury is out on small amounts of alcohol.
Yes a sense of wellbeing is lovely. But I do find the research into its effects on empathy (as I said) intriguing and I suspect that as time goes on, we'll see that it does have inhibitory effects upon how we perceive somebody in relation to ourselves. And even if you are left with facial movement that appears unaffected, the way humans (and all animals) register and react to body language and tone is via more than a mere surface perception. So it could significantly hamper parts of your interpersonal and intrapersonal life. There is also the issue of how it can affect your biochemistry and mood because of course we know that mood is affected by the way we behave and express ourselves. That is something that concerns me.

lurking at your daughter's approach to life!

Widespread botox cosmetic use has not been around that long (no one was using it much for this purpose say 20 years ago for example IIRC)

I have googled it in the past and know that for example there has been some question about it passing over into the brain. I'd be too wary myself and of course there are cases where it has gone wrong etc.

I can see the temptation I really can, but the fact is we are all ageing and sooner or later have to come to terms with it. The worry for me would be, say I botoxed aged 45 to 55 then what - just stop and suddenly wrinkles appear to come from nowhere? keep going so nothing matches up any more? don't know.

I do have lovely friend who at first looked great but now looks overdone. I wouldn't tell her, (although I suppose if she asked I might suggest doing it less) but do worry as she's an attractive woman anyway and a few wrinkles wouldn't change that.

It is a worry if it becomes the norm for females to be expressionless, imo

Emma Thompson has stated she'll never have Botox, fillers or plastic surgery -says it's "psychotic" to do so.

The photo pink frocks linked to was funny - the after shot showed the woman with hair coloured, full make-up including fake lashes and the lighting was much more flattering so you couldn't really judge how much improvement the fillers had or hadn't made!

I hate 'before and after' photos with botox, they're everywhere. It's very easy to slightly change your facial expression from grumpy and wrinkly to happy and smoother in a tiny move of muscles.
Look at the first pic in this group of pics. The woman is so obviously frowning in the first picture and has a different expression in the second, and she looks so obviousl botoxed in that one as her eyes are smaller. Who wants to look unnatural like that.
I'll stick with my wrinkles and make the best of myself in every way I can, at least it's me.

cate - it's pretty clear how that person in the photo has changed- and she didn't have Botox- the advert was for fillers BTW. Agree she is made up etc but her nose to mouth lines have gone.

The point about any of these treatments is you need the expert eye of the person doing it- so they say 'enough'.

Too many practitioners are just doing what women ask for- to make money.

I saw a top cosmetic dr for a consultation and asked them to tell me in all honesty what they would do. I didn't mention fees, budget or anything like that. They suggested a tiny tweak ( not Botox.) I queried it and they said that was all I needed- am mid 50s.

I went away to think about it.

Brave Not everyone has a life including these things.You aren't seriously suggest that everyone overeats, drinks coffee, alcohol, sunbathes and smokes? I don't.

-The thing is, kids are terribly ageing.

-As is sunshine, and being outside. Even with sunscreen on you may squint into the sun

-Eating too much or too little plays havoc with your looks.

-Running makes your face sag, SAG! and your boobs too.

-Drinking coffee gives cellulite (all that caffeine)

-drinking alcohol dries the skin terribly, and is just so and for you. As is smoking, and eating Pate.

-Being stressed is what is worst through, leads to frowning and poor sleep (which leads to puffy face, wrinkles)

Apart from having children ( and trying to avoid stress) the rest are a choice.