Amanda Holden Bad Botox

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Dear lord her face looks terrible on This Morning.
Is it the botox or the fillers that makes a face look so weird?

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Do some people really believe that if a person on Mumsnet is anti something it must be because they are envious or poor? Really? Or is that argument solely applied to threads about appearance? Very interesting insight into the psyche of those alleging this....

Smooth armpits, I think you may be onto something there DameDiazepam I bet the marketing people are working on it already

I could afford Botox and I'm older than a lot on here but wouldn't dream of having it. There is no way you can match your hands and neck to your face and that makes it obvious you are botoxed (unless you have surgery on both of course). Plus the shiny forehead look and eyes receding isn't appealing. As for telling someone who has it that it's not a good look, people who do have botox are very defensive about it, so I just let them get on with it. Everyone to their own of course, I just wouldn't dream of it.

AH drives me bonkers on This Morning not that I watch it! She interrupts constantly and as for that shrieking laugh in the background all the time, help! Bring back Holly, she was such a natural, AH is forcing it all the time. And yes her face does look ridiculous, she used to look a natural, she certainly doesn't now.

Mignonette you are setting yourself up as the definitive authority which you aren't! My friends must be more honest than yours

Pics of me on profile and no difference between with and without! First had 7 years ago. If my neck etc didn't match i would know I think

No I'm not. I'm only the authority on what I see and am also invested in the feminist argument regarding physiology altering cosmetic procedures. I am also aware that women have the agency to make choices even if that sense of agency is born out of pressure to try to hold back a natural ageing process (something that men, curiously, seem less vulnerable and subjected to).

If some of the people in my life want to have botox regardless of what it looks like and regardless of what others have advised them then that is their business. I offered my opinion when it was discussed and that is that.

If you think it looks lovely on you, then fair enough. Maybe your friends like botox.

Noddy you are very lovely looking BUT those photos are very blurred and poorly lit- they tell me nothing more than that.

Mignonette whilst I see the point(s) you are trying to make, you do come across as Noddyholder says, the definitive authority. I've been reading your posts feeling quite sad about how judgemental you are being towards women who are making different choices to you. Despite what you think, you cannot tell everyone who has had botox or fillers. You can only tell the ones who have had too much done, or who have chosen to share the information with you. There will be many more that you wouldn't guess by looking at them. Your comment about fillers and botox being for people who can't afford face lifts was funny though. Wrong, but funny.

Your comment about hair treatments being reversible too, is guff. Try telling that to the people who have had a terrible reaction to ppd in dye, or had irreversible damage from straightening treatments or perms. Personally, I wouldn't consider shoving ppd in the form of hair dye on my head regularly. I prefer to use a natural and safer colour. I don't judge those that do though.

What actually happens is you end up with unlined old skin. And that is what looks odd. Maybe when you start out if looks less incongruous (and the advice to start work 'before' you actually need it, is, to my ears, awful) BUT as the years roll by, it is obvious that it isn't going to look good. Botox will not stop you losing that youthful dewy look. Nor will fillers or any other procedure because nothing can alter the vascular ageing process nor the keratin changes.

There was a picture of Shane Ritchie looking very much as if he had something done in the TV guide recently so not just confined to show biz ladies.

I think the best anti ageing formula is trying to stick to the ' no kids, no cigs, no sun, no fun' rule!

noddy, you look gorgeous and I think it takes years and more age for neck and face not to match. The face is the first thing you see on a person and subconsciously you pick up on the fact it doesn't match the neck and there are many slebs like this.

Mignonette you really do set yourself up as the authority on so many things! have you never heard of live and let live!

Agath

But an allergic reaction is NOT typical. I don't use hair dye either. Nor straightening products. I wash my hair and leave it to dry. Like make up though, but only lipstick and liner. No base. I'm not anti cosmetics.

Fair enough if that is how I come across. I cannot dispute your subjective opinion. BUT this is a discussion and I am an authority on my opinion just as you are upon yours. And I remain truly angry and distressed about the ways in which women (for it is women in the main) surgically and sub surgically feel they have to alter their appearance to try to prevent themselves from looking older. It is really, really sad. And what I find odd, is that if it is a case of money buying the best treatment, then why are some of the higher earning women looking so badly altered? That doesn't make sense. It would appear that the more you have done, the more you have done until it tips over into trying to arrest every change showing on your face and body. Because when we start getting into the realms of injecting botox into bloody hands to stop them looking 'old' then my god, do people realise how nuts that sounds?

The thing is everyone who has it thinks they look great. They wouldn't have it otherwise.

Noddy- you'd do well to take your own advice on some of the threads I have seen you on. Can you truly say you have always followed your own advice?

Glad to see you follow me around checking what I do and say

I don't think botox in hands is even an option as what would it do there are no dynamic muscles there I don't think.

Apart from sweating iirc

Head ---- >>> Desk Noddy

By saying Mignonette you really do set yourself up as the authority on so many things kind of implied first that you were keeping a check on me .

Anyway enough. Apologies if I have offended anyone by coming across as an authority on Botox (NOT a badge I would wish to have) :)

I'd rather spend my money on fabulous shoes and clothes, education, holidays, books, experiences. I'd not put that crap in my face for all the money in the world. It really has nothing to do with finances- t's only a couple of hundred pounds per treatment anyway (isn't it for people who cannot afford face lifts anyway- not that I'd ever do that either?) and hardly the preserve of the wealthy

This is the kind of comment that makes me cross. And please stop the passive aggressive 'smiles'.

What you do is up to you. So why take pot shots at other people who want to spend their money differently?

And no, Botox et al is not for people who can't afford face lifts- another ill-informed, judgy comment.

It's an alternative.

There are more treatments than Botox anyway- so not sure why some posters are so hung up on that 1 product. Fillers like Restylane and Juvaderm are made from hyaluronic acid- same as in many face creams- and they replace the fat that's lost from areas of the face. They cost around £600 central London with a top dr and last about a year.

The whole argument against these products is completely illogical.
If you never use make up, paint your nails, go to have your hair cut- or, God forbid- coloured or permed, never shave your bits and want to look 'natural' - fine. Your choice.

If someone wants to make some small tweaks to their face to make them look a bit fresher, less tired, less frowny- why the hell not?

Botox is not used for hands- they use fillers.

If anyone wants to check the work of a great Dr and see before and after pics look here...
www.cosmeticskinclinic.co.uk

so are you saying Mignonette that this woman should not have had it done and she looks 'odd'?

www.cosmeticskinclinic.com/treatments/dermal-fillers/restylane/#!pPhoto[bagal]/0/

Nice ad there.

Thanks but no thanks. I'll do without the filled hands covered in old skin when I am older.

The issue with Amanda Holden is bad Botox, not Botox. You know it is bad Botox, because you can spot it. If the Botox is well done, you can't tell.

Most older women in the public eye are likely to have some discreet help, including Mumsnet favourites Emma Thompson, Helen Mirren, Jennifer Saunders etc. The fact it isn't obvious just means it has been done well.

Done well, Botox makes you look fresher, happier and more relaxed. It does not make you look younger, you can still move your face and you still have wrinkles.

People commenting negatively are doing so from a position of ignorance, based on the Botox they have seen, whih leads them to assume that is what it always looks like. There is Botox that you will not have spotted, honestly, that is how Botox is meant to work.

I was talking about on this thread not on MN in general Anyway arguing online about nothing is pointless This really is about choice.

Helen Mirren has had at least 2 face lifts- there were pics of her with her bandages covered up in the Mail some months back. The photo of her on the cover of this week's Lady magazine has been so airbrushed - or she'd had even more work done- that she is almost unrecognisable. Compare her photos now with those 20 years back and she looks younger now!

I think if I were going to get worked up about anything, it would be air brushing in magazines because the images give a completely false impression of what most older women look like. Even if they have had work done.

As noddy says it's a personal choice and some people are being a bit silly to try to make a moral case against not using any of these things.