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Am I being unfair? Discipline by new eXW & DP

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wildfish · 26/04/2008 21:56

Okay step parents, shoot me down, flame me, barbecue me. Jammi & youcannotbeserious welcome Maybe I should have name changed!

I am expressing my initial and current feelings, rightly or wrongly.

I picked up DS (4) this afternoon, and apparently DS - told me - that new SDad was upset, because as DS was waiting for me he opened the inner door (of a flat type block safe place - second intercom door) and closed it, cos he thought I was there - he says he saw me in the window. He was told not to do that by SD.

Now at night, many many hours later, as he is supposed to say bye at bedtime on the phone, she says you been naughty today, (she says its not my business on what) and then makes him explain to her why he was naughty, he says he thought I was at the door, but she says when she or DP say no, he must listen, and then when he says sorry, she puts DP on phone and he has to agree he was naughty again and apologise to DP, who says you are nice most of the time, but naughty some of the time. She then comes back on and says when anyone, especially her or him say no, he must obey.

DS says to me they will be happy now, and when they say no, they mean no.

Note before new DH SD, there was no such absolute discipline. New DH became DH about 2 weeks ago, and was new DP 3 months now.

Okay so its my DS, and she is an X, and he is new DH (who I haven't met yet), and surely I am biased, and I have different levels of no means no (only for the most dangerous or bad behaviour). But I still feel annoyed that DS was made to say sorry to both over such a trivial thing to me, at bedtime over the phone so many hours later.

Go on set me straight - I'm new to this. No doubt over reacting to this, and it really isn't my business. (but still annoyed)

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jammi · 30/04/2008 15:13

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wildfish · 30/04/2008 18:22

[and you wont allow him to be told off when he is in your care for things that happened when he was with her, then if they start just take the phone of your son]

I will do that next time:

[I am sure his ex thought much the same about me as you think about her new hubby]
I would hope lol that I could tell the difference. I think it makes a big difference in receiving the telling off if you can see its evenly applied too. I admit I was a Mr Discipline, but over the 4 years I've realised there is a fine adaptable balance that needs struck. I think I am still mr Strict - I think, but approach it different, and allow DS to get away with things, with token donts - but he knows when a real NO is approaching.

[mummy is allowed to tell you off but she is a bit silly for doing it twice]
fingers crossed he doesn't go and repeat.

[may not always agree with your opinions] Awwww I thought I was winning you over too!

I have my first 1-1 mediation session tomorrow. I'll see how that goes.

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edam · 30/04/2008 18:25

I think your ex's new h is a nasty, bullying little twonk, wildfish. Nothing so pathetic as an adult putting a child down in order to make themselves feel big and clever.

Wonder if he'll turn up to "one to one" mediation?

Surfermum · 30/04/2008 18:48

No YCBS we didn't agree a list of acceptable behaviour. Dsd's mum was refusing at that time to speak to dh, so it wouldn't have been possible. But even if it had I don't think it was necessary.

Dh and his x had lived together for 5 years, he had brought up her 2 children with her and he'd had dsd with her. They both knew what their views on acceptable behaviour were. He knew that she had certain boundaries, he had others, her parenting style was a certain way, his was another. And what I thought was irrelevant - she wasn't my child.

Good luck tomorrow wildfish. Remember, you know your child inside out. You know what makes him happy, what makes him tick. You're a good Dad.

wildfish · 30/04/2008 21:32

tomorrow is the 1-1 me to mediator. Then it will be 1-1-1.
But edam don't joke about it, because I wouldn't be surprised if that did happen or worse -- she sends him in her place !

Thanks to all, your help,support and advice is appreciated.

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madmuggle · 30/04/2008 22:10

If she sends him in her place you will be more than entitled to leave I would think.

Good luck!

CarGirl · 30/04/2008 22:21

I hope you make progress tomorrow. Going back to the op I think you should be honest with your ds and stipulate that he has to stay overnight with his mum (not nice I know) but her new husband sounds an utterly clueless control freak.

As for insisting that he starts private school now, what planet are they on - he's just adapting to mummy suddenly taking a major interest in him and her marrying and yes lets turn his life upside down by sticking him in a new school!

duomonstermum · 30/04/2008 22:36

good luck tomorrow!! would it reeeaaallyy evil of me to wish a whole hoard of 4yr olds for a sleepover on them??? [innocent emoticon] anyway, on the subject of people without kids..... went to my friends house over the weekend. her DH has never had kids and met her when her DCs were in their late teens. anyho DD got hold of a choccy and tried to feed it to the dog through the patio glass. me and my friend were pmsl but his face... he spent the whole visit with a wipe in his hand. should i really have told him that it's a waste of time to do it while she's about??? at least my friend told him he was a twonk and let DD get on with it....

seriously though i hope things go well. will be checking in for update!

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quint · 30/04/2008 23:28

Good luck, hope all goes as well as can be expected!

BTW your ex's new DH sound like a total prick!

paros · 30/04/2008 23:38

best of luck for tomorrow

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wildfish · 01/05/2008 18:29

First thanks everyone. Today was my first mediation session, went I felt well. It is just a mediation service, not an arbitration session (like eX seems to believe) - so that could be a problem once she realises that.

Initially the lady felt it was a good idea to children bond with both parents, especially the opposite sex one - for all roundness. Surprisingly towards the end she back tracked and said sometimes it's not a good idea.

I think the idea of the new DH (of 3 months) and his attitude, the pushing of the decisions on to him, and some of her past behaviour changed her view a lot. (I thought they were neutral!!) They also generally feel the DCs should not be exposed to new partners so soon in a relationship. She also clearly stated the discussions will be ex and me, and no other party.

She also appeared surprised at the high level of access currently that ex has, and said sometimes one partner is never happy with what they have and they keep pushing for more and more, with the result that they end up with less.

The general idea of letting the young one develop into the idea seemed to get approval, and forcing not.

Anyhoo it was a full discussion, lol and I still managed come across as calm (wait till Ex is in the room - she knows how to push every button - I'll need earplugs or something!!).

I realise this time it was her listening to my viewpoint, but I feel better that she didn't express distaste or hostility towards the situation.

Not sure though how in the end it will resolve through mediation if we both stick to our view points. But hey its a little boost meanwhile.

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CarGirl · 01/05/2008 18:51

I'm glad it seems to have gone well, sounds like the mediator had impressions of the situation and then after speaking to her they were blown out of the water!!! Did the mediator have some written info already or has she already spoken to the ex?

I dod think she made a valid point "some people are never happy with what they have" does your ex want the perfect relationship with perfect son etc etc etc?

Hope the next session goes well.

wildfish · 01/05/2008 19:06

She has spoken to ex already. It was ex that started it. But I think Ex demanding a quick solution -- e.g. phoning and trying to get me a different but earlier mediator also backfired. This mediator alluded to a phone message she had yet to answer, but already suspected what it was about - perhaps someone else told her.

Most people seem to get real pro my Ex when hearing her story, then diffuse once they hear mine -- but in between boy am I in trouble. Don't know what she says and how she says it. Must be good though.

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CarGirl · 01/05/2008 19:35

very good My DH1 and I once used a very good family solicitor regarding his first wife (DH1 dd lived with us) and he gave use the best advice ever (all in our £25 one off consultation) "give them enough rope and these type of people hang themselves" it was very true we gave his ex what she said she wanted and she didn't turn up, didn't stick to it, once there was no-one to fight/get one over one she showed her true colours and hasn't really bothered with her dd since

I think the mediator will be having a very interesting conversation with your Ex, oh to be a fly on the wall

wildfish · 04/05/2008 11:19

Back again hijacking the step parent board. TBH not sure which board is most appropriate though. So apologies in advance, but you guys know most of the story so far!

Friday - I was told by X, she was delegating decisions about DS to her OH. I said "You are his mother, I am his father, you cannot delegate this to your NEW PARTNER". This was in a normal tone, nothing special. I emphasise the words NEW PARTNER, for you. I suppose I should explain she has married him in a pseudo religious ceremony attended by 3 people, but not legally registered - So I really don't know what to call him!!

Saturday morning I get a text from her OH saying "have DS ready by xxx". I reply refusing saying agreed time was yyy and it would be more appropriate coming from her. So a telephone call ensues in which her OH is very aggressive and says I have insulted him by calling him a "New partner", by IMPLYING "this was a long list of lovers in her life and he was the latest"!! eh? I shoot back to tell him to learn the English language and don't he dare talk to me in that tone.

Don't know who stirred that up. Anyway continuing the waffling, we agree to meet up in the afternoon in a coffee shop shopping centre. (Gee I hope she doesn't read these boards - too much detail).

During the meeting HE told me that she cannot make any decision without her consulting him. I said I don't care what happens behind their doors, I will only talk directly with her about DS. I told him he has no legal standing, to which he said "don't talk to me about the law" - I said " okay lets talk about the law" - he shouted "I don't care what the law says, I don't care what mediation say" - pleasant chap.

In person, he is no less aggressive or arrogant. The number of times he rolled his eyes when I spoke, or started to shake his head. And he is incredibly controlling of her - she hardly uttered a word. I can't believe every last word I utter is being reported back.

I did take a snipe saying as a lawyer I expected him to be more precise in words and I expected the translation from the simple clear words "new partner" would be expected from X not him (she has a habit of taking extra meanings from even a one word hello). He shouted and I mean shouted (remember this is a public place) that I was not allowed to make any derogatory comments about his wife or him. I should refer to him by his name, and if my "animosity" continued he would quit his job and start picking up DS himself. I told him he could quit his job, but I would never hand DS over to him - ever.

I was also reprimanded for buying a toy that DS wanted (asking for months, part of a collection), which they just bought (and thus reminded DS) and I was to say "you don't need it here, you have it there". When I pointed out she has replicated most stuff there, he said "that's because he stays with you".

Having seen this guy, appearance, attitude, personality I am surprised that X has fallen for him. I can see why he would move for her, but her to go for him? Only thing I can see is the $$$$ attraction. He does look scary, not the slightest ounce of charm in him. (scary in attitude not physical size). I don't know, I was expecting something else, charming (to get X), calm (lawyer), mature (successful).

Anyway to be brutally honest - I really really do not like this guy, and now feel for DS who has to spend time there .

The only small sparkle was at the end, where he wanted to "reconvene later" to discuss his role, and X said she wasn't interested in that she wanted to sort out overnight stays. small dissension - sure it will be one voice afterwards. Meeting was called to a close because they had "an engagement to attend" (translated = viewing houses, DS already translated that in the morning). Strange strange man.

Oh I forget he has concluded DS stays with me because DS views me as the victim. So I have a 4 year old, too immature to go to school, too immature and ill behaved for their house, but mature enough to stick with dad because dad is the victim and 4 year old out of a sense of justice or protection sticks it out.

He also suggested he could attend mediation with her (as they are one), and I said I would be mediating with her not him, and the mediators would probably laugh him out of the room. He said he was talking hypothetically.

More mundane parts included where I said I accept that a step parent has a difficult role, and I would never wish to exclude someone in that role or make it uncomfortable - (I think I am being too generous for him!).

He did say he nor her wanted to go to the courts over the overnights. But given everything else that could mean, "not yet", "we don't want to spend the money", "we don't think we would win", or "believe that stupid mug, and we'll side swipe you when its right", "we really don't think it would do DS any good"

Anyway thanks for letting me rant.

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TillyScoutsmum · 04/05/2008 17:36

God - what an absolute nightmare situation. This guy sounds like a complete fuckwit

I have no advice but you have my sympathy.

My mum married my step dad within 4 weeks of meeting him (I was 6 at the time) and he too was very controlling and had some pretty strong ideas on parenting, despite having no dc's of his own. I hated him... still do

I am a step parent now and do have some say in parenting dsd when she is with us (we share custody with her mum) but it was something that developed gradually over time.

Hope the mediation helps

madmuggle · 04/05/2008 21:18

I would, were I you, be keeping any and all evidence of this person's behaviour toward you. I would not want anybody so brutish in the life of either of my children

Youcannotbeserious · 05/05/2008 05:12

Agree with MM. I also wouldn't want anyone so brutish in my DSCs lives (and I AM the step parent!)

He sounds like a total k**b. Like TSM said, step parenting is something that develops over time. I've been with my partner 10 years and there is still a definite distinction between 'parent' and 'step parent' (Even though I share DSCs care)

DO keep a record of all this behaviour, take along a witness with you and DO NOT engage with him. Do what you have to do according to a court order. Nothing more.

Your comments about your X falling for this chap make uncomfortable reading........ It sounds like she is seeking to find stability and often when we look for stability, we like control... Does that make sense? I hope that she wakes up from this sooner rather than later.

paros · 05/05/2008 18:38

I want to smack his face in for you .What a total wanker. I waouls seriously keep a record anything he does. Next I would hire a model to take to your next meeting .Introduce her as your new partner just for the fun of it .

madmuggle · 05/05/2008 19:48

Make it a male model, just to see if either the ex-partner or her new owner dies of apoplexy

paros · 05/05/2008 19:54

great idea muggle. As an after thought I would seriously have a sectret hand held recorder to tape future conversations and I would go to court concerning overnight stays . Keep things in your control not theirs .

madmuggle · 05/05/2008 21:18

I'm not sure any recordings would have legal validity would they?

wildfish · 05/05/2008 21:19

You know I actually bought a dictation machine, tested it and set it to record, even just for my memory. Unfortunately it seemed to self stop after 7 mins .. doh! typical. Never mind will try again.

Hmmmn the model idea and maybe a expensive car would certainly rile her up no doubt about it don't tempt me I might just do that lol.

They had DS out all day today, took DS to a zoo park. (DS usually loves it there). I sat here thinking what is that going to do. (Sympathises with DTM there).
Okay so DS comes back, and its obvious DS upset - cried even.

So I ask him whats wrong, and she says he's been naughty. I ask why? -- can you guys guess?

DS stopped talking there. DS purposefully stopped enjoying himself. DS was grumpy on the way back, and DS didn't say byebye to both of them.

She said "we drove him all the way there and he ..." my assumption the sentence ends [isn't even grateful]

I am sitting here amazed -- by now I shouldn't be should I! Thats his mother for crying out, DS should be grateful for her taking him out? and DS should've enjoyed himself? How do you force a 4 year old to enjoy something? Heck I've taken him places he was bored rotten, and had to accept it just wasn't the right place or time (expensive miniature golf being one).

She said DS should learn not to hurt their feelings, he should learn to be more sensitive. Guys am I being too lenient here, but a 4 year old should have mastered this? I thought kids will always hurt parents feelings especially as teenagers? I didn't realise they were perfect at 4 years ? . What about his feelings, last week he has asked me to "hold him" a few times for no reason. He is being affected.

Damn it, Struggling to make any sense of anything.

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