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Why to SMs get such a hard time on MN?

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UsernameFail · 06/01/2022 09:26

I am a wicked SM and follow the step parenting page.

I find the page very interesting and have learnt loads from my mistakes (although often too late but helped with giving me clarity).

I don't post much for fear of taking a beating from people who are evidently clueless about the complexities that arise in being a step mom or trying to integrate families.

I still wonder why MNetters are so awful to Step Moms?

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GorgeousGeorgiana · 07/01/2022 13:17

Ah I hadn't realised that was the same person.

aSofaNearYou · 07/01/2022 13:18

@GorgeousGeorgiana

I don't know...I think the onus is on the parent to decide whether or not it would be harmful to blend families. That isn't on the SM. But I don't think *@Veeveeoxox* said it was?

Also, while it's totally understandable to me when stepmothers say they value their time without step dcs around, and maybe they'd rather they maintain their own home as they know they need more space away from dcs, I also is understandable when children say the same. They value their time away from stepmum and are happy they don't have to live with them. Maybe not 100% relevant to the thread, but hardly offensive? What am I missing?

I don't think it was offensive or that she outright said she would blame a step parent if they did move in with the dad. But it was teetering on the edge of repeating a rhetoric that is one of the key examples of step parents being held accountable for things that are not their fault on here. Since that was the subject of the thread, as @squishy20 said, those comments just seemed a little misplaced, or perhaps simply ironic, on this thread in particular.
PeeAche · 07/01/2022 13:18

@GorgeousGeorgiana

Ah I hadn't realised that was the same person.
Neither did I! 🤐🤦🏻‍♀️😅
UsernameFail · 07/01/2022 14:06

Taking OW out of the equation, I think people and DC forget there will have been dysfunction in a family (hence the parents divorced) long before SP came along.

I am glad I started this thread. It's certainly been helpful to me in connecting with others on this board but equally now having the courage when I read something to say, that's not OK or that's totally inappropriate

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SpaceshiptoMars · 07/01/2022 14:57

Some of the ex v. stepmum aggro is because the new stepmum is planning being around longterm - and the ex is expecting her to be gone in 5 minutes flat Grin Perhaps Dad has got through a fair few gfs since the divorce, and Mum doesn't know how to cope when he finally lands himself a keeper.

TheRigatonini · 07/01/2022 15:03

[quote candlelightsatdawn]@TheRigatonini the mum and step mum in me, wants to give you a hug 💐

I also want to say this as gently as I can because I'm not trying to be a twat. No one can make anyone do something they aren't comfortable doing on some level.

Your SM maybe the devil (I don't know) but your dad made a choice and continued to make that choice and damage you and your siblings. Men often get a free pass with bad behaviour, standards are higher for mums than dads and unless she held a gun to his head. He had options. Not great options I'm sure but options.

Some men fail to reach that bar, your SM maybe a issue, but the bigger elephant in the room is your dad. He's had a choice, he's always had a choice and if you can try to see it passed the haze of villain and good guy and see it for shades of grey it probably is. [/quote]
Hi, I’m kind of curious about this post. Just spotted it.

I haven’t said that anyone is damaged or that anyone is a villain or a good guy.

My post wasn’t really about soliciting opinions or advice or ‘concern’ Wink on my own family (but thanks...) – it was just one example (of several drawn from my own experience, some of which include friends who are SMs) to illustrate the truth that not everyone is coming from the same place as the OP or others on this thread.

As it happens in my DF’s case (since you’re interested) we arrange meet-ups without his GF there, because sometimes we want to spend time together and catch up by ourselves, and for reasons that are unclear she doesn’t like that (we do also do stuff together too – go for meals or days out with them as a couple etc). Because she makes it into such a point of contention, he often just doesn’t tell her. It’s a weird one – why should she mind if we spend time together separately, just as she does with her own (also adult) kids. But there you go. Just one example for illustrative purposes.

The point wasn’t really about how my own DF responds though, but – in response to the OP’s question – pointing out that the fact is that some people really are very territorial over partners and resentful or jealous of existing relationships – including (and perhaps especially) with family from earlier relationships. Perhaps it represents that person‘s earlier life with another partner. @Veeveeoxox suggested above that for some people that drive to corral emotional and material resources is a ‘primal’ thing. Some people, as in many areas of life, are just selfish and self-serving. It happens often enough in any case. Although as I said in my two earlier posts on this thread, that doesn’t mean it’s representative of all (or even most) step parents (in the example I’ve given it’s not really a step parent exactly but you get my drift).

For people like the OP and others in this thread it must be very frustrating to be lumped in with the people who do fit (and create) the stereotype. Especially as, let’s face it, those people are less likely to to be the ones asking for advice on MN.

candlelightsatdawn · 07/01/2022 15:55

@TheRigatonini ahh now I haven't meant to cause offence or imply you were suggesting otherwise, no faux kindness or 'concern' just trying to be sensitive to someone who sounded like they were hurt by the situations they found themselves in (just my interpretation of what you put) and shared that may also be another perspective, which is fundamentally what people do on MN right ?

You shared one perspective, I shared mine on what you shared in a kindly way. Neither was a attack on the other and I would find it a weird position to think otherwise, but apologises if you did. It wasn't my intention and I think this thread shows that intention matters.

Mumoblue · 07/01/2022 15:56

Some step parent threads on here do seem like the SM resents the SC for existing and being a priority, but I also agree that stepmums get waaaaay too much grief on here.

I’m not with my kid’s dad, but his girlfriend isn’t involved with my kid for logistical reasons (they’re long-distance).
I’m going to cross my fingers for a stress-free co-parenting relationship if/when they move in together, but I know that my ex has been making me out to be “the crazy ex”.

I think a lot of SM threads on here are actually due to something that the parent the SM is married to needs to sort out.

candlelightsatdawn · 07/01/2022 15:58

@SpaceshiptoMars

Some of the ex v. stepmum aggro is because the new stepmum is planning being around longterm - and the ex is expecting her to be gone in 5 minutes flat Grin Perhaps Dad has got through a fair few gfs since the divorce, and Mum doesn't know how to cope when he finally lands himself a keeper.
To be honest I think this about my DD sm regularly, not in the oh she will learn soon aren't I superior but in the way of OMG he landed a catch, my DD adores her I buggering hope he doesn't fuck this one up again. Tbh.

I tell him repeatedly to not mess this one up because he's got it good.

Sigh though 😞 I sshe's too good for him and suspect will twig it when he's a numpty again. Which he maybe but I have to hope he's learnt his lesson...

UsernameFail · 07/01/2022 16:37

Completely off topic, but you sound quite balanced @candlelightsatdawn with regards to your ex and his new gf - how do you do it?

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candlelightsatdawn · 07/01/2022 18:13

@UsernameFail

Hahahah I wouldn't go that far but thank you

I mean my ex cheating on me when I was pregnant with DD and we split when I found out. We had lost a child previously and he blamed that and me

I suppose I just thought you know I realised that I fundamentally wasn't compatible with him but that didn't mean he wasn't compatible with someone else. And just as partner because we weren't compatible doesn't mean we couldn't co- parent.

I knew that on the face of it, I as the "victim" and him the "nasty" one but actually neither statements were true. Shades of grey and all that. Once I looked at my own actions and at his I had a little more sympathy for both sides.

I had to emotionally set side my feelings and go ok what happened in the past doesn't matter in the realms of co parenting.

I accepted that my DD would have a step mum, but I also came from the view point that it takes a village to raise a child and actually more people to love her or be positive roles in her life meant a more rounded child and a happier one. I had to let go of control of DD v early due to the circumstances around how me and my ex broke so I have that have a advantage. Hard at the time as I was a FTM and I had to trust the person I chose to create a child with, wasn't a monster but a human with the capacity to do the right thing by his own DD. Even when he had done the wrong thing by me. Someone can be a crapped DH and a excellent dad.

I respected his boundaries and he respected mine. We have ding dongs but it helps he's slightly on spectrum so very much a creature of predictable habit. Which is why I fear he will bodge it up with his current partner just almost through habit. But if he does, it's to do with him as a person and not her.

I'm very blunt with him and have been told fairly scary in real life, so I try to counter that with honesty and fairness. I don't take sides just because I can

candlelightsatdawn · 07/01/2022 18:16

I might just add that this is only feasible because both me and my ex have taken all the emotion out of it. Which some people are not able to do from the other side of the fence. I suppose I act how I hope I would be treated as a SM and look at it from that perspective if I catch myself going all momma bear. Not easy to do in the moment

UsernameFail · 07/01/2022 20:36

Thank you for sharing with me. That's quite a history.

Kudos to you to put aside your own thoughts and feelings, and work at coparenting with your ex for the sake of DD and not let your emotions get the better of you.

Have you thought about writing a book 'How to forgive your ex and Co parent for the sake of the children' (now that really would be putting the kids first)
I bet it would be a number 1 Smile

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SnowWhitesSM · 07/01/2022 21:55

This is a very interesting thread.

I have really struggled with being a step mum and ended up in a place of resentment and bitterness. I have received so much support on this board that has really helped me and never been made to feel worse.

I am like candle where my dcs dad cheated on me and we co parent just fine. I couldn't give a flying fuck about what he does in his time and he doesn't try to control my time/house. He did try to in the beginning, I had him banging on my doors, threats to never see dc, threats to not pay CS, blabla but it was years ago. I kept my boundaries but kept access available and we got over it. I forgave him. I let go of the hope of what could have been. I was actually quite relieved he cheated as it meant I didnt have to stay with him for my dcs sake Grin. Our relationship wasn't perfect, we were a great team around the DC but I didn't love him. I looked and took accountability for my own part in the relationship breakdown and didn't make him out to be the villain and me the saint. We're actually quite friendly now. I've had some relationship issues with my stb ex h and he's given me extra money as I kicked h out before Christmas leaving me a bit short.

Me and dcs dad have similar parenting values - although he is more strict. He has never felt dad guilt as far as I'm aware. But I've never made him feel like he's had to fight for his dc, like they're a precious commodity. They're not, they're not just my dc and I've always thought of my dc as being on loan to me until they're adults rather than being MINE. I'm also not that much of a maternal dm if I'm totally honest. I like having fun, they make me laugh but when they were young they went to bed early, I had no issue with my dm babysitting so I could go out, they've never been the be all and centre of my world. I love them a lot, I'm very aware that now they're older they will be making their own way into the world and I will miss them. But I hated the drudgery of parenting primary and under aged dc. I have never based my identity on being a mum. I am me first and a parent second. The lost daughter on Netflix really resonated with me.

But my stb ex h and his ex - oh their power struggles over their son is something unbelievable. They both virtue signal by being a parent. My existence hurt my h as my existence (once married, not before unfortunately as I wouldn't have married him) hurt his son. It's a shit place to be. But I'm trying my best to forgive them all so I can move on. I haven't got there yet, but holding on to all of the hurt they have both caused is only hurting myself now.

Argh I've rambled - my point is: there are different types of parents and unfortunately some create horrible situations for their dc and subsequent others on divorce. Their hurt and bitterness takes over them and they cause deep damage to their dc. In comes happy step mum and bam she gets made to feel bad for existing. She blames herself and then looks for support around the feelings she is experiencing. Other people, who have NO idea what it's like to feel so outside of your family that your very existence causes them pain, pile in and say think of those poor dc. This cements in step mums head that she is the problem and shame comes in, once shame comes in so does resentment and then when her resentment comes out we all pile on and judge as those poor dc. Well I think that poor step mum (and I've been a step child who's dad abandoned her and moved in with new wife to never be seen again) and those awful parents putting their children and new partners through all their toxic shit they never resolved. I think the step mum hate is misogynistic and a projection and completely unfair.

candlelightsatdawn · 07/01/2022 22:18

@UsernameFail

Thank you for sharing with me. That's quite a history.

Kudos to you to put aside your own thoughts and feelings, and work at coparenting with your ex for the sake of DD and not let your emotions get the better of you.

Have you thought about writing a book 'How to forgive your ex and Co parent for the sake of the children' (now that really would be putting the kids first)
I bet it would be a number 1 Smile

The blurb would read. Nah fuck him, don't spend your emotional energy on a fuckwit. You get less wrinkles from leaving a twit than you do staying with one. Give less of a shit about shits 😂😂

sorry for the personal essay ! V dull reading.

uneffingbelievable · 07/01/2022 23:13

Candle light completely agree - the first /Sm was vile and the current one is lovely.
I just hope he does not screw this one up - she is great.

RedWingBoots · 08/01/2022 09:22

Taking OW out of the equation, I think people and DC forget there will have been dysfunction in a family (hence the parents divorced) long before SP came along.

@UsernameFail Even with OW/OM the relationship is dysfunctional. If one partner has to cheat then the relationship has problems even if the other partner isn't aware of them.

UsernameFail · 08/01/2022 09:59

Thanks @SnowWhitesSM for sharing. It's comforting to know that you and your ex dc father now get along regardless of his previous behaviour and that you've become friends.

You are absolutely right about different SPs coming in and being caught up in past toxicity (certainly feel that in my case) and regardless taking the blame both at home and from society.

Absolutely @RedWingBoots ! The dysfunction existed already for someone to have an affair but not everyone wants to hear that

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UsernameFail · 09/01/2022 08:47

I know how you feel @Orangecaryellowcar. My DHs ex left him. We met 3 yrs later and yet she, her daughter and his mother all treat me like I was the OW.

I think that's some women for you. They can't own their decisions or they can't bare for their past to move on and be happy.

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