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It would ruin my relationship if my step children ever lived with us

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PickledOnionsOnToast · 19/12/2021 21:45

I just had to say that.

Does anyone else feel that way?

I don't think about it often but when I do I genuinely can't envisage ever wanting to stay in my marriage if my step children had to come and live with us full time.

I could honestly not be doing with being "mum" to both my DC and my SC and all that entails and I doubt very much I would ever be happy with the situation.

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PickledOnionsOnToast · 22/12/2021 09:20

Is that not what literally every unhappy SP is told to do on here?

Who would benefit from me staying, unhappy, in a strained relationship with DH because of the issues I imagine it would cause? Or am I supposed to just suppress everything and pretend to be happy if I wasn't for the rest of my life? How reasonably well do you think that would work?

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BeyondOurReef · 22/12/2021 09:29

I was curious to what constitutes "evil ex-wife" behaviour. You mentioned you're also an ex-wife/partner so perhaps there's another step mother ranting about your reprehensible behaviour somewhere on social media. It's very subjective isn't it?

Ah. See. You want to sit in judgement and tell me that my behaviour is equivalent to hers. It’s not. My ex and I are perfectly able to coparent amicably and neutrally. I do not go about stopping contact because I want more money (for example). Apparently £700 a month is not enough for the woman who doesn’t want to get a job ever (and who had just that moment reached a threshold where universal credit said that actually, no, she should use the over £100k she got in her divorce to live off rather than having the tax payer pay for her. And actually she should get a fucking job.

Or how she’s fucked up her children by playing favourites and creating a golden child/black sheep dynamic. SS clearly has some attachment issues as a result because he doesn’t trust that his own parents love him and will just be there for him.

Or how she has screamed abuse at me in the street for no reason other than she wanted to put on a show for her ex neighbours in which she pretended that I was having an affair with her husband and trying to steal her home and children. I wasn’t. The split up because she had an affair. And I had my own - much nicer and more valuable - house than the one she had moved out of (and she had to move out because otherwise she’d have purposefully obstructed the sale for years and years - she’d pretty much destroyed the house as it was. It looked like one of those flats you seen in child poverty documentaries with half the wallpaper ripped off, holes in the wall and scribbles all over the place).

And many, many more things. Physically attacking her ex in the street. Purposefully exposing her DC to covid so that their father wouldn’t see them over Christmas last year (it was definitely not an accident that she took them to visit someone she knew had covid on the 23rd, despite the restrictions). Buying her children shoes that just don’t fit. It’s not lack of money. They have many pairs of shoes each. It’s that she doesn’t care that her children can’t walk properly so long as she gets to buy loads of cheap tat. This is consistent. New shoes from primark all the time that are too big for them. SS needs supportive shoes because he’s got orthopaedic issues. But she buys him many pairs of cheap shoes that offer insufficient support and are too big rather than one pair of shoes he’d be able to walk in without falling over.

What all the parents mentioned on here so far do have that my father lacked is fierce loyalty to their children. This loyalty may make life difficult for step mothers who view this as preferential treatment born out of guilt, but it's no different to how you feel about your own kids really. Plus he is supposed to put his kids first, that's what non sociopathic parents do. Why on earth would you want a man who places you above his children, that's a massive red flag that you're dealing with a narcissist?

Firstly your assumption is wrong there. Many if the fathers described on this board are not fiercely protective of their children. They’re not putting them first. That would involve being consistent and setting clear, reasonable boundaries that help those children to feel safe and loved. They are doing the opposite of that, and then blaming the stepmum for not enjoying the predictable results.

Tbh, my husband would never put his children first. Or me. He always puts himself first. Every time. He wants to appear the great father who sees loads of his children, but resents the fact he can’t just dump them with me and do what he likes. He doesn’t think about their needs; he chooses the path that is easiest for him. This has become hugely apparent over the years.

Secondly, it should not be a case that the children are always the top priority and always come first. That kind of thinking drives the failure of many stepfamilies. Everyone in the family has to be important. And the relationship does need to be prioritised in various ways. Of course the children’s needs should be met - and that should be a priority for everyone. But their wants and whims should not be the top priority at all times. Over the basic needs of the rest of the household. All too often it is. You see this in the problems related on here all the time.

Willyoujustbequiet · 22/12/2021 09:33

If you don't want to live with someone else's kids full time don't start a relationship with a father. It's not rocket science.

BeyondOurReef · 22/12/2021 09:37

The screaming show for the former neighbours was because she came round for no reason while I helping my (now) husband to decorate the former marital home she’d basically destroyed (including just ripping out a toilet and leaving a big hole) so that it might actually sell. For her benefit since it has already been agreed in the consent order that she was getting 100% of the equity.

I never lived in that house (or wanted to). But I was kind enough to her her ex to sort out all the problems she had caused so she could sit on £140k and claim benefits until UC decided that was no longer OK. She could have gotten a very PT job and bought a 3 bedroom house with a mortgage of about £25k in that area. And worked around her children using very minimal wrap around care (which £700 of maintenance would easily cover). Or none at all because she could have worked in contact days. But she ‘does not work’. She thinks it’s beneath her.

But still, her need for weird drama was the most important thing. She dragged her children out to witness this too. It was me helping my partner out on his non-contact weekend.

PickledOnionsOnToast · 22/12/2021 09:57

@Willyoujustbequiet

If you don't want to live with someone else's kids full time don't start a relationship with a father. It's not rocket science.
Again? We've had about 10 of these already.

Have your priorities, boundaries, feelings ect.. never changed throughout your life? Seriously?

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motheroflions · 22/12/2021 10:00

@PickledOnionsOnToast

Is that not what literally every unhappy SP is told to do on here?

Who would benefit from me staying, unhappy, in a strained relationship with DH because of the issues I imagine it would cause? Or am I supposed to just suppress everything and pretend to be happy if I wasn't for the rest of my life? How reasonably well do you think that would work?

These are the things you should have thought about before bringing two other children in to the mix. I am staggered that women put themselves in this position.

You must have dated your DH for some time before you moved in with him, then there would have a been a period of time before you got married then period of time before you had children so you should have really had a good grasp of what the situation was. I dont believe that these men just turn in to shit parents over night, there would have been flags all along the way. The only thing that changed was you had your own children and the old children became surplus inconveniences. The kids were there the entire time, they have just not climbed out of the woodwork to surprise you.

This is what I mean about people entering these situations with little or no emotional intelligence. You have made your bed for you and your kids now OP. You are a participator in this not a bystander.

SpaceshiptoMars · 22/12/2021 10:05

@WrongWayApricot, @SleepOhHowIMissYou

Let me challenge you to a thought experiment. Imagine you are a child in a nuclear family where the mother suddenly dies. You have various uncles and aunties with their own families. Benefits are not available, so Dad has to work despite having a bunch of small children under 5. There is no insurance payout. What happens to you now? What thoughts do you imagine are running through the heads of the various aunts and uncles? (Blood relatives, remember, so some moral obligation there).

candlelightsatdawn · 22/12/2021 10:25

@motheroflions then I'm assuming by this "logic and emotional intelligence" - that all of the wives from the first families should have heeded the red flags and not had children with the man to begin with and left them on the spot... or does this mystic megging only apply to SP.

If you had told me I would have to give away the family dog because my SD would have hurt it I would have laughed in your face or she would bed wet and still bed wet at age 13 because her mother refused to take her to doctor or allow medical intervention because it was "one of those things" and actually repeatedly stopped contact when DH tried to take DD to doctor to try and get the child help (way before I was on scene). But sure I could have predicted that.

Or DM who had been totally reasonable up until the point of her finding out my pregnancy was likely to continue and kicking off because she was assuming it wouldn't be a problem because he/she would die in the very late stages of pregnancy and say some really nasty things just because.

motheroflions · 22/12/2021 10:36

[quote candlelightsatdawn]@motheroflions then I'm assuming by this "logic and emotional intelligence" - that all of the wives from the first families should have heeded the red flags and not had children with the man to begin with and left them on the spot... or does this mystic megging only apply to SP.

If you had told me I would have to give away the family dog because my SD would have hurt it I would have laughed in your face or she would bed wet and still bed wet at age 13 because her mother refused to take her to doctor or allow medical intervention because it was "one of those things" and actually repeatedly stopped contact when DH tried to take DD to doctor to try and get the child help (way before I was on scene). But sure I could have predicted that.

Or DM who had been totally reasonable up until the point of her finding out my pregnancy was likely to continue and kicking off because she was assuming it wouldn't be a problem because he/she would die in the very late stages of pregnancy and say some really nasty things just because.

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Its not on the first wives. The first wives post daily on MN!

This is about women years down the line complaining about these kids who have mysteriously popped up in to her life to ruin it.

The new partners can already see what the situation is like. Single dad with kids.

Not sure where you are going with your sdd who still wets the bed but you knew he had kids when you got with him. It shouldn't be a big shock when you have to deal with those kids. You got involved with a man who had baggage.

candlelightsatdawn · 22/12/2021 10:40

@motheroflions your wording is interesting because I would never consider my DSD as baggage in anyway shape or form.

I'm simply saying that these things I couldn't have known about before I got in a committed relationship. Saying people should have known or be able to foresee the future to me in anyway shows a lack of emotional intelligence.

SpaceshiptoMars · 22/12/2021 11:00

Its not on the first wives. The first wives post daily on MN!

And they didn't have crystal balls, did they? They couldn't foresee how the man would change once he had a ring on their finger, or were carrying his child either.

The same men, further down the track, lovebomb the new girlfriend. Particularly if she has a well-paid job, or a house in her name. As you can see from this forum, they manage to keep that up until she is hooked, pregnant or married to them.

candlelightsatdawn · 22/12/2021 12:07

@SpaceshiptoMars don't you love a double standard.

FW couldn't have possible known and aren't lacking EI for creating a child with them but second wives well they are idiots for not having a crystal ball and should have "known".

This is why people play bingo on here because it gets silly with these glaring double standards.

I didn't know with my first ex HB he was going to lose his mind and go around shagging after the loss of our child (I didn't foresee that event either actually) and blame me for it. It was about him

I certainly didn't expect the issues I face in my second marriage. I certainly didn't expect people to think my natural default would be to consider my DSC baggage. Christ. I also never expected DM who I have always gotten on well with 10years plus to be upset only when told that I wasn't going to my lose my child and have what essentially was a paddy.

Sigh.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 22/12/2021 12:14

[quote SpaceshiptoMars]**@WrongWayApricot, @SleepOhHowIMissYou

Let me challenge you to a thought experiment. Imagine you are a child in a nuclear family where the mother suddenly dies. You have various uncles and aunties with their own families. Benefits are not available, so Dad has to work despite having a bunch of small children under 5. There is no insurance payout. What happens to you now? What thoughts do you imagine are running through the heads of the various aunts and uncles? (Blood relatives, remember, so some moral obligation there).[/quote]
I was the allocated guardian for my half-brother in my father's will. I agreed to it, so did my husband. It would have been the right thing to do in the event of their both dying. I still have a relationship with my half brother (who is in his twenties now). I cut ties with my father and his wife when I had my own children and felt the unconditional love for them that was lacking in my own childhood.

So, no need for a theoretical question. This answers your question. Yes, I would have willingly raised my half brother (whose mother I despise) as my own if the need had arisen.

SpaceshiptoMars · 22/12/2021 12:26

Yes, I would have willingly raised my half brother (whose mother I despise) as my own if the need had arisen

Good for you! Just the one child though, and not actually put to the test.

When this happened to my family, no-one was willing to take on multiple toddlers and small children. One wanted to adopt me, but not my siblings. Guess I must have been a lot cuter and more biddable back thenGrin

I owe it to my DSM. She literally stepped up. Rescued the entire family. Several tricky years before that all came about though. And I have no idea what my Dad did to deserve her.

funinthesun19 · 22/12/2021 12:58

I also never expected DM who I have always gotten on well with 10years plus to be upset only when told that I wasn't going to my lose my child and have what essentially was a paddy.

She kicked up a fuss when she realised you wasn’t going to lose your child?? Have I actually read that right?

BeyondOurReef · 22/12/2021 13:03

@SpaceshiptoMars

Its not on the first wives. The first wives post daily on MN!

And they didn't have crystal balls, did they? They couldn't foresee how the man would change once he had a ring on their finger, or were carrying his child either.

The same men, further down the track, lovebomb the new girlfriend. Particularly if she has a well-paid job, or a house in her name. As you can see from this forum, they manage to keep that up until she is hooked, pregnant or married to them.

Absolutely this.

And no one anticipates that they’ll still be dealing with behaviour that was normal in a toddler in an 8 year old. Or a teenager. You quite reasonably assume it’s just being a toddler at the time.

It’s only years later that you realise it’s all so bloody dysfunctional.

funinthesun19 · 22/12/2021 13:21

Who would benefit from me staying, unhappy, in a strained relationship with DH because of the issues I imagine it would cause? Or am I supposed to just suppress everything and pretend to be happy if I wasn't for the rest of my life? How reasonably well do you think that would work?

This is what I’ve been saying throughout this whole thread.
It’s ok to have your limits and it’s better to acknowledge them now rather than when and if anything ever happens. You’re happy with being a stepmum with breaks in between and where there is an active mother involved in their lives. That’s fine and that’s what you’re happy with.
But if the dynamics suddenly changed and you were suddenly filling the mother role alongside being a mum to your own dc, on a full time basis, it’s not what you personally want in life.
Who would it benefit to plod along putting on a happy face in that situation? Sure it might help your DH out for you to be there still, and the SC will benefit from your time and efforts. But if you’re not happy then it would only be a matter of time before you end it anyway and in that time you’re still there (months, years?), relationships become more and more fraught. Not worth it.

candlelightsatdawn · 22/12/2021 13:37

@funinthesun19

I also never expected DM who I have always gotten on well with 10years plus to be upset only when told that I wasn't going to my lose my child and have what essentially was a paddy.

She kicked up a fuss when she realised you wasn’t going to lose your child?? Have I actually read that right?

Ahh that was a whole other thread but we told her about pregnancy and said look we aren't sure if it's going to pan out because issues have been picked up and it might mean baby isn't compatible with life... she was lovely fine and supportive.

When we told her few months later actually baby will live just might be quite poorly at birth and need ops after ... it suddenly dawned on her there will be another baby on the way and suddenly started kicking off about SD being pushed out because we need to manage risk infection/Covid and follow hospital guidance post birth and summarising her words "she didn't think it would be a issue because DSC would be a only child still and baby would dead so no need to isolate."
She doesn't believe in Covid and started asking to have maintaince upped to take into my income because DSC would lose the financial benefits she gets from both me and DH and threatened contact. We hadn't suggested reducing maintaince, these are just extras I pay for because I can for DSD by choice, which I never said would stop even thought to 😵‍💫

Basically she had a dream that DSD would remain a only child for rest of her life and because we had waited respectful amount of time to have a baby together she thought it was off the cards completely. She said to us later on because of all my issues with infertility that she just assumed that I would be grateful for what I had. Ignoring the fact DSD and DH have been bugging for a sibling for god knows how long. I was the one dragging my feet.

That was fun. That time period. God knows what will happen at birth.

I can't stress enough how much this floored me.

Heepers · 22/12/2021 13:42

@Ohdofuckoffcovid

I can’t understand why you got involved with, let alone had dcs with him.
Absolutely this.
PickledOnionsOnToast · 22/12/2021 13:55

You are a participator in this not a bystander.

I've not suggested otherwise. I've not even suggested I am completely innocent. I've said my feelings on the matter have changed from when I first met/married DH, since having my own DC and our family dynamics changing in that I am now the primary caregiver of our children (which means I'd likely also be for SC if they needed to move in).

When I met and married DH, it wouldn't have made much difference to me at all SC moving in, I had no real idea what being a full time parent meant as I wasn't one and I was working full time, not responsible for any DCs ect...

My opinion on the matter has now changed because my life has changed and my family has changed.

Really not seeing what's so hard to understand. People keep saying how I should have thought about X and Y when I married him. I did. My feelings have now changed. It's really not a new concept.

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SleepOhHowIMissYou · 22/12/2021 14:38

@SpaceshiptoMars

Yes, I would have willingly raised my half brother (whose mother I despise) as my own if the need had arisen

Good for you! Just the one child though, and not actually put to the test.

When this happened to my family, no-one was willing to take on multiple toddlers and small children. One wanted to adopt me, but not my siblings. Guess I must have been a lot cuter and more biddable back thenGrin

I owe it to my DSM. She literally stepped up. Rescued the entire family. Several tricky years before that all came about though. And I have no idea what my Dad did to deserve her.

Well it sounds like you had a step mum who thinks like me and not at all like the OP doesn't it?

Given this, I'm not sure why you're taking a dig at me?

Sorry that your aunts and uncles were assholes, as I said, everyone is capable of being one, even some step mums (like mine).

SpaceshiptoMars · 22/12/2021 17:31

@SleepOhHowIMissYou

My DSM had some advantages over most of the people on this forum - she did not have an ex in the picture, and the children had not been Disney-dadded. We were all split up into different foster homes and not allowed to rule the roost in any shape or form - in fact, very much the opposite.

There were also no children of their marriage. She chose a career instead, and that was an active choice on her part. So simpler in that fashion, too. My Dad was quite the disciplinarian, so she got to do the fun parts of parenting without anyone telling her 'it wasn't her place' blah, blah, blah.

I'm not making a dig at you personally - just at the idea that step-mums have to live to much higher standards than a child's blood relations. Nothing particularly bad about my relations - just looking after their own like everyone else - and not wanting cuckoos in their nests.

(A cuckoo chick throws the offspring of its 'parents' out of the nest, and then eats the 'parents' to exhaustion, because it grows to a much, much bigger size than them). Hmmmm.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 22/12/2021 18:50

[quote SpaceshiptoMars]@SleepOhHowIMissYou

My DSM had some advantages over most of the people on this forum - she did not have an ex in the picture, and the children had not been Disney-dadded. We were all split up into different foster homes and not allowed to rule the roost in any shape or form - in fact, very much the opposite.

There were also no children of their marriage. She chose a career instead, and that was an active choice on her part. So simpler in that fashion, too. My Dad was quite the disciplinarian, so she got to do the fun parts of parenting without anyone telling her 'it wasn't her place' blah, blah, blah.

I'm not making a dig at you personally - just at the idea that step-mums have to live to much higher standards than a child's blood relations. Nothing particularly bad about my relations - just looking after their own like everyone else - and not wanting cuckoos in their nests.

(A cuckoo chick throws the offspring of its 'parents' out of the nest, and then eats the 'parents' to exhaustion, because it grows to a much, much bigger size than them). Hmmmm.[/quote]
I think quite a few people have misunderstood my point. I have never said OP must be martyred to her marriage and her step children. I have said from the outset, consider the impact this will have on your own children. Walking away from their father will have an impact on them and the OP has confirmed she's been through a divorce as a child herself so will have an understanding of what her own children will go through if she did leave.

SpaceshiptoMars · 22/12/2021 18:59

Walking away from their father will have an impact on them

Not so much of a negative impact if he is hyperfocused on his children from the first family, I'd guess. Not so much of a negative impact if the older children are bullying her DC either.

Just as parents get very pissed off if a childless person tries telling them how to parent, step-parents get very pissed off being dictated to by those who have never step-parented. If you don't have the lived experience, don't expect to be listened to with much reverence.

motheroflions · 22/12/2021 19:57

Really not seeing what's so hard to understand. People keep saying how I should have thought about X and Y when I married him. I did. My feelings have now changed. It's really not a new concept

It's you that changed the goal posts then. Tell him how you feel now so he can decided whether to continue the marriage with you.