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Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 21:25

I’m really struggling with a situation and I need advice.
Bit of background-
My partner and I have been together for over 2.5 yrs.
I’ve been navigating an incredibly acrimonious divorce and secured a residence order of my children last October after being alienated from them by my ex. The relationship with their dad is obviously very complicated and I have been focusing on their welfare rather than introducing my partner more than just a couple of times over the years.
They were obviously aware of him, have met and know of him and his daughter but our involvement as a 5 has been very limited.
My ex took exception to my new partner and my children were dead against being around him for a really long time. I had bigger fish to fry so we didn’t push it.
With help from a child psychologist, we have slowly been increasing exposure and things were going ok.
After successful day trips together, We eventually decided to go on a trip for 4 days as a 5 last week.
My kids had a good time and everything seemed to be well except for a few situations which I addressed with my partner when I came home.
Namely, the difference in treatment that my partner seems to be giving his own daughter versus my 2 children. FYI. My kids are 11 and 7 and his daughter is 11.
On 2 separate occasions, we were buying the children treats. First time it was a faux jewel. The shop had 2 sizes, one at £4 and one at £10. I told my son to choose a small jewel and he and his sister chose one. My partner’s daughter asked if she could have the bigger one and I said no. My partner was there and heard. She whispered to him and he bought her the big one. My children were really shocked but didn’t push my boundary. I could tell my youngest was disappointed and I was really angry and my partner and disappointed with his daughter because I had said no and my 2 were getting the smaller version.
Then we were in another shop and he offered to buy them a healing crystal. He told all 3 kids they could have 1 each which they accepted until his daughter whispered to her dad again and she was bought 2 and my kids were bought 1.

There were also other instances when we ate out and he let her take all of the ketchup and didn’t consider anyone else, wouldn’t share drinks or food we bought to share and was bought her own when no one else was offered their own and still expected to share and she wasn’t forced or spoken to about it.

We bought a refill cup at a park for us all to share and she insisted on having her own, 4 of us shared 1 cup and she had her own.

Anyway, I know these things aren’t really a big deal in the grand scheme but given that I too have children that I have been working so hard to listen to me and cooperate with me, I feel like it really undermines and confuses my position. It also must make them feel less important.

Even if I didn’t have these challenges, I wouldn’t want my children brought up in this way.

I feel like his decisions to give her more than my children is insensitive.

I spoke to him about it to try to understand his point of view. I initially wondered if his view was that perhaps he felt I should be treating my children more than I am.

It wasn’t received well. He said he didn’t see an issue with what he did and obviously felt defensive of me tackling the issue because he started saying things about my children’s behaviour, them not including his daughter and my parenting style. I did try to discuss that I felt they should be treated the same and to referred back to our own personal values which I thought were exactly the same.

I was really upset about his reaction but I examined what he had said and genuinely thought whether there was any truth in what he said. I honestly can’t see his point of view, I feel like he just started being spiteful because he didn’t like what I said.

This all came to a head last night over the phone and we did have words. Eventually, he said my kids don’t have manners and I let them behave badly which just isn’t true. I’ve been very honest about my challenges with them and I am very aware of the issues we face but I do not agree with those points.

He came over unannounced this morning and demanded I give him back his key then stormed off. We haven’t spoken all day and I feel like I’m in a bit of a spin.

We usually have a great relationship when it’s just us and I genuinely couldn’t have gotten through the past couple of years without him but as I said, we didn’t mix our families until fairly recently so I’m really wondering if we don’t mesh on that level.

I’ve left an abusive marriage and struggled with gaslighting so I don’t always trust my own judgment. I’m really worried I’ve gone from one bad relationship to another or wondering if I’m tarring him with the same brush as my ex.

I don’t know what to do. Should I not have addressed these issues? Am I ignoring red flags or AITAH?

I don’t even know where to start with talking to him again.

Please help x

OP posts:
Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 13:13

@Tiredoftattler

OP, it could also be possible that after standing by you for several drama laden issues with your ex, he realized that high drama may be a part of your relationship language and functioning and he may simply be unwilling to have that drama seep Into his relationship with his child.

Sometimes when drama and disagreement seems to find its way into more than 1 of your relationships , it may be helpful to do some insightful introspection.

That’s a fair point abd one I am aware of. I don’t think having common values abd asking for them to be adhered to (or discussed when they aren’) is drama. I think it’s setting boundaries but maybe you are right.

Grateful for your post and I’ll definitely speak to my therapist with an open mind and continue to seek a holistic view rather than one influenced by my own feeling.

OP posts:
IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 04/07/2021 13:49

His money, his child. Upto him how he spends it and he shouldn’t have to match your parenting choices as those are yours alone for your children not his.
I certainly wouldn’t have been sharing a drink either, five people for one drink sounds truly awful.

Tiredoftattler · 04/07/2021 13:51

OP, good luck on your journey.

30degreesandmeltinghere · 04/07/2021 13:54

I wouldn't be spending time with people who thought they were above my dc. Your dd's self worth will be affected imo.

DuchessDarty · 04/07/2021 14:03

I agree with all of @aSofaNearYou ‘s posts.

I’d concentrate on your kids right now, as painful as it may be to let the relationship with him go or to accept that you can’t blend right now.

Him returning his key and storming off is a line in the sand and if he doesn’t stand by that and it was just a tantrum, I would be wary of having him back anyway.

On sharing the cup - regardless of whether her Dad said all 5 of you could share one, I think it’s fair enough that an 11 year old objected to that. Particularly IN A PANDEMIC Grin All kids have been told at home and at school not to share.

(I know what you’re trying to get at is she didn’t care about the hygiene and just wanted to have her own as she’s spoilt, but I’m not going to play along with bitching about an 11 year old girl in an emotive and challenging situation.)

Starseeking · 04/07/2021 14:03

@Longestfewdaysupcoming

I’d say he’s dumped you op so there’s no ghosting about it.

I'd agree with the above.

You mentioned the below in your OP:

He came over unannounced this morning and demanded I give him back his key then stormed off.

A man who is able to do this to a woman he has been in a relationship with for at least 2.5 years, has a very odd style of communicating.

To my mind, his action says you are no longer welcome to come and go to his house, as you were previously doing.

This is a significant change in the relationship which hasn't been discussed, and a decision he alone has taken.

Following that outburst, I would expect him to have come back to apologise, or perhaps say he realises he overreacted, has had a chance to cool down now and wants to talk it through. However, people who behave in this way rarely do, and I expect you'll be waiting a while for that OP.

My guess is that he expects you to chase after him to apologise for having raised quite legitimate points of disagreement from your outing together. If you do so, it may set the dynamic that he has irrational outbursts, then you soothe him. This is not the dynamic of a healthy romantic relationship, particularly when you have already been through tough times with your ex and the DC.

I'd leave this man to his own devices, and focus on strengthening the relationship between you and your DC.

Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 14:08

That’s my feeling- I don’t want to set a precedent.
If I’m wrong in his eyes then so be it. He’s reacted and that was wrong. I could reach out to him but I’ve said everything I needed to say and he reacted - nothing has changed since then in my opinion.

OP posts:
Notaroadrunner · 04/07/2021 14:10

@Izbizbiz

It does beg the question- what do I do about us? We still haven’t been in touch with each other 😞 It’s not my style to ghost
You're not ghosting. He had a tantrum and left. It's up to him to make the first move and tbh I'd be glad if he didn't. You're best off out of this relationship.
DuchessDarty · 04/07/2021 14:10

Sorry there was an error in my post. Him demanding you return your key, not him returning his. Does he have a key? In which case I’d ask for it back and return yours.

Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 14:20

He does have a key to my home but I feel like messaging him to request for it back is confrontational at this point. I trust that he won’t be coming over and letting himself in - he’s never done that before so I can deal with division of our things later on.

I don’t really know why he showed up and wanted his key at that point. It felt petty. To be honest, at the time, I thought he might be looking for an opportunity to talk face:face but as soon as I handed it over, he about turned and left so maybe not

OP posts:
DuchessDarty · 04/07/2021 14:28

I wasn’t sure from your earlier posts if you had given the key back, only that he’s asked for it.

It does sound like he’s broken up with you tbh, rather than “being petty”, but I’d hope he’d have pro-actively returned your key at the same time.

Notaroadrunner · 04/07/2021 14:34

@Izbizbiz

He does have a key to my home but I feel like messaging him to request for it back is confrontational at this point. I trust that he won’t be coming over and letting himself in - he’s never done that before so I can deal with division of our things later on.

I don’t really know why he showed up and wanted his key at that point. It felt petty. To be honest, at the time, I thought he might be looking for an opportunity to talk face:face but as soon as I handed it over, he about turned and left so maybe not

Change the lock on your own door asap.
AnneLovesGilbert · 04/07/2021 14:57

It sounds like you’re desperate for family life again as that’s what you lost when you split with your ex and it was compounded very traumatically by losing your children for a time. The scars of all of that will run deep and now things are settling you’re running break neck to recreate an image of mum and dad, parenting together, and happy children going along with it.

It’s sad that you feel the three of you is lonely. You haven’t had them back with you so you could even be a three for long.

FinallyHere · 04/07/2021 15:34

these things aren’t really a big deal in the grand scheme

Oh, but they represent issues of fairness which is very, very much a big deal

I'd count the trip as a resounding success, since it has shown you what life would be like if you tried living together and blending your families.

At least you know now. And know not to try living together.

How can you be in a relationship with someone fit 2.5 years and it just be over?

You have dodged a bullet there, OP

He has explicitly told you that he is not prepared to either reduce what his DD is given or to make up the difference for your two do that all three can have the same.

Would you really want your DC to have to live like that? Do you really want to discuss and make plans with him, only for his DD to whisper in his ear and overturn it just for her ? Thought not.

Definitely dodged a bullet there.

And another thing...

We agreed to share all of the cost for the trip

Did you end up sharing the cost of the things his daughter received, which your DC were refused ?

I let people explain their way out of things with excuses.

Now that he has shown that he doesn't keep he word when you make agreement, what would be any point in contacting. Again, I say, you had dodged a bullet.

I'd change the locks and focus on my DC for now. Being a single parent is a hard life, I wish you very well.

GrandmasCat · 04/07/2021 15:41

Don’t move together, it is not going to work. He either treats them all the same or it will built a lot of resentment. The fact that he allowing his child to ignore what you say is a massive red flag.

You can only blend families successfully if you have similar parenting styles, that is not going to work if he is Disney dad, allows his child to ignore your rules and your kids end up feeling resentful as treated like second class citizens when with their mum.

Run, don’t look back.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 04/07/2021 15:50

@AlternativePerspective

I’m too old for this and your too old to be needing to pander to a grown man who has the tantrums of a toddler.

Chuck this one back OP. Even without the kids he’s not a keeper IMO.

This. Glad you found this out now before you forced this man on your kids in a blended set up. Blended set ups rarely work and honestly, I'd stick to non-living together situations for a while. Sounds like you need a break from men and relationships if you were going through an acrimonious divorce when you hooked up with this man. Your kids made it clear to you they didn't want a new person in their lives and you made them go to counselling to accept him.

Seriously, let this man go and focus on yourself and them just now.

AlternativePerspective · 04/07/2021 15:54

OP, I just read through your latest messages to see if he’d been back in touch.

As he hasn’t been I would just accept that it’s over and change the locks.

Even if there are differences which could or couldn’t be ironed out, ghosting someone when you have a disagreement is cowardly in the extreme, and whether I was right or wrong I wouldn’t stand for it.

The instant a man stormed round to my house demanding his key back and then didn’t contact me again the relationship would be over for me. He wouldn’t get another chance, because you’ve just been given an insight as to what kind of person he will be to live with.

GrandmasCat · 04/07/2021 16:00

That key business is strange, you don’t ask for the key back and not return the other, especially as he might have had it with him if you are so close?

If he did it in the spur of the moment, it is really bad news, he is willing to hurt you and does not want to discuss things further? Op, you have dodged a bullet here. That is typical abusive behaviour, to hurt you because they feel like it and by refusing to discuss the issue further he is implying your opinion doesn’t count. But if it was you who didn’t want to discuss it further the same applies to you.

Either way, change the locks. Don’t call him, neither of you are ready to compromise so it would be awful for your kids.

vivainsomnia · 04/07/2021 17:55

We are very much in an established relationship and have been for a long time
Established relationship but not family.

I think you were many steps away to him and seeing this holiday as a precursor to becoming that shared family. He wasn't.

I've been on day trips when my kids friends got more than them. When that happened, I explained that my friend had more money and could spend more but at the same token, there were also families in the park that couldn't afford any treats at all so they were somewhere in between and they were happy with that.

I think you made the first mistake my offering that treat. She knew her dad would get her the bigger one because that's what he would have got her if it had oy been the two of them. It was fair she'd asked and he too agree as usual.

It went downhill from there. I also understand her not wanting to share the bottle with two kids she hardly knew.

I really think you over reacted, treated the matter as if you were a family, which you are not and it escalated.

The biggest worry though is his saying that your kids are misbehaved. You don't agree, but if that's how he really feels, then the relationship is doomed. You are not going to change the way you discipline them if you don't think there's anything wrong with their behaviour. He isn't going to be happy living with you and your kids if he thinks they need stricter discipline and you won't do anything and he can't cope with their behaviour.

The relationship was doomed at this point. It hurts more because you waited so long to come to that realisation and had much time to imagine a future together.

Magda72 · 04/07/2021 18:32

@Izbizbiz I haven't read every post but have read all of yours & a lot of the others.
To me you sound absolutely on the ball with everything. I totally understand how a history of gaslighting can make you doubt yourself (I've been there). However, one of the other 'hangovers' from being systematically gaslit is that you can end up being TOO reasonable & TOO willing to see all points of view - I myself have been very prone to this in the past - & can lead you to make excuses for behaviours that really you find unacceptable.
Imo your partners behaviour is unacceptable.
He is absolutely at liberty to parent his daughter as he wishes but NOT after agreeing a type of parenting plan with you, reneging on it & then blaming you.
I would also see his storming off as extremely childish & very typical of an emotional abuser. There is a good chance you have gotten yourself involved with an abuser (albeit a more subtle one) again which is no reflection on you. We go for what we are used to, & often what we are used to presents to us in different guises so we don't straight away see it for what it is.
It took me a lot of dating & therapy post divorce to break my cycle of being 'attracted' to emotional abusers.
Like others have said I would use this 'break' to focus on being alone for a while. He will quite possibly come back with his tail between his legs full of apologies & I think you really need to be careful if he does this. He sounds like a man who says all the right things but will act how he wishes when push comes to shove.
Blending will never work with that mindset & dynamic & tbh you (& your dc) deserve better.
Thanks

Tiredoftattler · 04/07/2021 18:35

@vivainsomnia
You make some very valid points. Ultimately, you cannot wish or pretend a blended unit into existence. it has to evolve and develop over time with a lot of give and take from all of the participants, and it requires a respect and accommodation for both similarities and differences. No one person's vision can be controlling. It is only good if it evolves and develops into something good. It is not a play that you can produce and direct based upon some previously written idea or script. A

nimbuscloud · 04/07/2021 18:45

Ultimately, you cannot wish or pretend a blended unit into existence. it has to evolve and develop over time with a lot of give and take from all of the participants,

This is very true. And in this instance 3 of the participants are children who have nothing to gain by blending with each other. They have nothing in common, barely know each other and 2 of them have had a very difficult time caused by their parent’s split.

FinallyHere · 04/07/2021 19:35

I really think you over reacted, treated the matter as if you were a family, which you are not and it escalated.

@vivainsomnia Wow, just wow

Did you miss the point where OP explained that they (he and she, the adults) agreed in advance that the costs would be split pro-rata, and then he paid for more or bigger treats for his DC only.

Not sure how OP overreacted, if so it was when she made an agreement with someone who ditched it at the first challenge.

Repeat : dodged a bullet there, OP

Tiredoftattler · 04/07/2021 20:13

@FinallyHere
Did you miss the point where they totaled and squared expenses when they returned home?

Why make anyone out to be at fault in a situation where it is apparent that they may just not be prepared or compatible for a step that they are considering taking.

He has a right to make choices , even last minute choice regarding his child. The OP has the same right. Neither parenting style is wrong only different.

Discovering differences prior to moving in together or attempting to blend is a positive thing.

One can honestly say based upon the experience that both of these people may have dodged a bullet if you choose to think in those terms.

DuchessDarty · 04/07/2021 23:22

I'm not sure the OP should be in a relationship with this man, or anyone right now. But I think accusations that he's a Disney Dad or that the OP's DC are going to feel not as important are a bit premature, given this is one day we have to go on.

And going purely on what the OP wrote in her first post, this is my take on the first example she gives:

First time it was a faux jewel. The shop had 2 sizes, one at £4 and one at £10. I told my son to choose a small jewel and he and his sister chose one.
You don't mention telling your DP's DD that she has to choose a small jewel, just your son (and your daughter followed suit because she'll have known you meant her too).

My partner’s daughter asked if she could have the bigger one and I said no.
Since you hadn't told HER she could only choose a small one, I don't think this is rude. She's not to know that when you told your son that, you meant all three of the children were to follow that rule. She's not your child and an only child so she's not going to instinctively get that.

My partner was there and heard. She whispered to him and he bought her the big one.
She may have whispered because she thought that was more polite than saying it out loud for all to hear? He bought her the big one with his money, saving you from paying for her. She may not have wanted a small one and would rather have gone without.

My children were really shocked but didn’t push my boundary.
Seriously, your children were "really shocked"? Do they not understand that your DH paying for hers saved you money, and that other children will often be bought something bigger because that's their parents' choice? I would be Hmm if my children were so put out because another child we were with got something different from their parents. For a start, there's 2 of yours and 1 of his, so it's only natural that only children are going to get more spent on them per child at times than two siblings.

I could tell my youngest was disappointed and I was really angry and my partner and disappointed with his daughter because I had said no and my 2 were getting the smaller version.
It does seem an overreaction to me to be "really angry" with your partner. Genuine question, how would you have felt if he'd offered to buy yours the bigger version too?

In the example where he told all the children to choose 1 thing and his DD wanted 2, I do agree he was wrong to go back on the boundary he set and let her have 2.