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Blending family

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Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 21:25

I’m really struggling with a situation and I need advice.
Bit of background-
My partner and I have been together for over 2.5 yrs.
I’ve been navigating an incredibly acrimonious divorce and secured a residence order of my children last October after being alienated from them by my ex. The relationship with their dad is obviously very complicated and I have been focusing on their welfare rather than introducing my partner more than just a couple of times over the years.
They were obviously aware of him, have met and know of him and his daughter but our involvement as a 5 has been very limited.
My ex took exception to my new partner and my children were dead against being around him for a really long time. I had bigger fish to fry so we didn’t push it.
With help from a child psychologist, we have slowly been increasing exposure and things were going ok.
After successful day trips together, We eventually decided to go on a trip for 4 days as a 5 last week.
My kids had a good time and everything seemed to be well except for a few situations which I addressed with my partner when I came home.
Namely, the difference in treatment that my partner seems to be giving his own daughter versus my 2 children. FYI. My kids are 11 and 7 and his daughter is 11.
On 2 separate occasions, we were buying the children treats. First time it was a faux jewel. The shop had 2 sizes, one at £4 and one at £10. I told my son to choose a small jewel and he and his sister chose one. My partner’s daughter asked if she could have the bigger one and I said no. My partner was there and heard. She whispered to him and he bought her the big one. My children were really shocked but didn’t push my boundary. I could tell my youngest was disappointed and I was really angry and my partner and disappointed with his daughter because I had said no and my 2 were getting the smaller version.
Then we were in another shop and he offered to buy them a healing crystal. He told all 3 kids they could have 1 each which they accepted until his daughter whispered to her dad again and she was bought 2 and my kids were bought 1.

There were also other instances when we ate out and he let her take all of the ketchup and didn’t consider anyone else, wouldn’t share drinks or food we bought to share and was bought her own when no one else was offered their own and still expected to share and she wasn’t forced or spoken to about it.

We bought a refill cup at a park for us all to share and she insisted on having her own, 4 of us shared 1 cup and she had her own.

Anyway, I know these things aren’t really a big deal in the grand scheme but given that I too have children that I have been working so hard to listen to me and cooperate with me, I feel like it really undermines and confuses my position. It also must make them feel less important.

Even if I didn’t have these challenges, I wouldn’t want my children brought up in this way.

I feel like his decisions to give her more than my children is insensitive.

I spoke to him about it to try to understand his point of view. I initially wondered if his view was that perhaps he felt I should be treating my children more than I am.

It wasn’t received well. He said he didn’t see an issue with what he did and obviously felt defensive of me tackling the issue because he started saying things about my children’s behaviour, them not including his daughter and my parenting style. I did try to discuss that I felt they should be treated the same and to referred back to our own personal values which I thought were exactly the same.

I was really upset about his reaction but I examined what he had said and genuinely thought whether there was any truth in what he said. I honestly can’t see his point of view, I feel like he just started being spiteful because he didn’t like what I said.

This all came to a head last night over the phone and we did have words. Eventually, he said my kids don’t have manners and I let them behave badly which just isn’t true. I’ve been very honest about my challenges with them and I am very aware of the issues we face but I do not agree with those points.

He came over unannounced this morning and demanded I give him back his key then stormed off. We haven’t spoken all day and I feel like I’m in a bit of a spin.

We usually have a great relationship when it’s just us and I genuinely couldn’t have gotten through the past couple of years without him but as I said, we didn’t mix our families until fairly recently so I’m really wondering if we don’t mesh on that level.

I’ve left an abusive marriage and struggled with gaslighting so I don’t always trust my own judgment. I’m really worried I’ve gone from one bad relationship to another or wondering if I’m tarring him with the same brush as my ex.

I don’t know what to do. Should I not have addressed these issues? Am I ignoring red flags or AITAH?

I don’t even know where to start with talking to him again.

Please help x

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AnneLovesGilbert · 03/07/2021 21:32

I’d ask MNHQ to move this to the step parenting board where you’ll hopefully find some wisdom. I can report it for you if you like.

Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 21:33

Yes please, that would be great. Thank you

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FightingtheFoo · 03/07/2021 21:42

I fully admit I have no experience with this but from reading many step parenting threads that crop up on this board this seems like a huge red flag. If he's acting like this now, one can only imagine what he'd be like if you were all living together.

And given what you've said about your relationship with your kids it frankly sounds like you've got more important things to be dealing with. Not to mention the fact that his behaviour is jeapordising everything you've been working towards with them. It sounds like you need to make a choice between them and him.

Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 21:47

That’s my worry 😞

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LivMumsnet · 03/07/2021 21:49

Evening, @Izbizbiz - we've moved your thread over now.
Hope that helps.

nimbuscloud · 03/07/2021 21:54

I’d rethink your plans to move in together. It doesn’t sound as if it will work.

Fullofglee · 03/07/2021 21:56

I don't see what he did wrong he's entitled to buy his child something, your finances are separate. Also why should she share a drink with two dc she doesn't particularly know where and 2 adults.

Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 22:04

It’s so disappointing and if it is a choice between him or my children there’s no contest obviously.
I just feel like we’ve spoken about things in the past and ive asked his opinion and advice we’ve been completely on the same page about our values and how we raise our respective children. I always try to put our discussions into action and he’s been privy to really challenging situations where I’ve had to stand my ground with my kids because of my values and judgement. In practice, he doesn’t follow his own advice which was a bit of an eye opener.
He has more money than me and his daughter is an only child so wants for nothing so as I see him indulging her over the years, I keep having to remind myself of that. Those are his choices to make and I’m pleased that he has the ability to make those choices. What I object to him doing is indulging his daughter in front of my children and not considering us in those choices. It’s not very tactful and something I wouldn’t do to any child (even a friend if they were out with us for the day) let alone children I am planning on being part of my immediate family.

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Littlepaws18 · 03/07/2021 22:06

You have made it clear because of your children's difficulties in blending that you parent your children, so he should equally be able to parent his. You shouldn't have stepped in over the faux jewel it wasn't your place to say.

It was always going to be a challenge bringing both families together for four days because you aren't blended, so I think the things you mentioned in larger schemes of things were minor and you should have seen your trip as a success!

It seems to me like your partner has been very patient and very accommodating with the situation, he is trying he isn't gas lighting you I think the reverse I think you are being very controlling of him.

I think you need to let the dust settle see some perspective and try again.

Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 22:15

@Fullofglee

I don't see what he did wrong he's entitled to buy his child something, your finances are separate. Also why should she share a drink with two dc she doesn't particularly know where and 2 adults.
I had offered to buy the 3 of them a gift and she asked for a bigger version of what I offered. I said no. That’s rude IMO. But what’s worse is he went against my wishes and bought her it. Then when he offered to buy them all a gift he told my 2 they could have 1 abd bought her 2. That’s not fair.

Re the drink. It was a £15 refillable cup that you top up all day. We were on and off rides so it was practical to have a quick drink and not have to carry a warm cup all day. We agreed to share 1 between 5 of us but she insisted on her own.

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HappyHedgehog247 · 03/07/2021 22:15

This must be really disappointing after all the work and time you’ve put in to getting to this next step. Lots of people will assume that there is no future but this is exactly why you take steps so when things don’t work you can both reflect and explore. I’m more disappointed by the taking the key and storming off than the differential treatment as differences will emerge and you both need to be able to manage your own emotional reactions (which will be high as they are about your children whom both of you have already been separated from). Does he have limited time with her? My DP has limited time with his children so really likes to ‘treat’ them whereas I am the majority time parent so have a different perspective. We don’t treat the children differently when all out together though. We usually mutually decide in advance or on the moment what the plan will be. At this experience you stopped being a team and became two sets of families. This can only work though if he is able to manage his strong feelings to talk through what happened. Did he feel judged? Controlled? His parenting criticized? None of this excuses his behaviour. Would you get some couples therapy to explore how it might work? Good luck x

nimbuscloud · 03/07/2021 22:20

Do the children want to blend ?

Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 22:20

I didn’t step in re the faux jewel. I offered to buy it and told them all which ones they could chose from. She asked for a bigger one and I said no as I was buying it. I said no to my son too. £30 for 3 bits of plastic is excessive to me and it was supposed to be a gesture.
He veto’d my no and bought her the bigger jewel

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Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 22:22

Not particularly 🙈
They all just want their mums and dads to be together as most children do.
We’ve been through this with psychologists and it’s something I really struggle with tbh. Me finding someone I love and my kids just wanting to be a 3.

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AlternativePerspective · 03/07/2021 22:26

Tbh I think that blending families is very rarely successful. You only have to look at this board to see how it usually goes.

if you’ve had psychologists etc involved then I wouldn’t even consider trying to blend, and wouldn’t attempt to move in together until the children leave home.

TBH the fact he stormed over and demanded his key back though I would just consider the relationship to be over. I wouldn’t tolerate those kinds of tantrums from a grown man.

Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 22:30

How can you be in a relationship with someone fit 2.5 years and it just be over? 🙈
I’m too old for this 😞

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AlternativePerspective · 03/07/2021 22:34

Well, it happens like that sometimes.

Truth is that the children weren’t introduced into the relationship until fairly late on, which is one of the reasons why I personally think it’s better to introduce kids sooner rather than later, although I know you didn’t have that option. But it means you were an established couple before throwing a bomb into the middle of the relationship and realising that neither of you could deal with it.

In essence, your parenting styles are just not compatible. Added to which he doesn’t deal with confrontation, he has a temper tantrum, demands his key back and storms off. How do you think that one will go if you live together? Locking you out of the house maybe? Telling you he wants you to leave?

It’s far better that you see this for what it is now before becoming too committed.

AlternativePerspective · 03/07/2021 22:36

I’m too old for this and your too old to be needing to pander to a grown man who has the tantrums of a toddler.

Chuck this one back OP. Even without the kids he’s not a keeper IMO.

aSofaNearYou · 03/07/2021 22:37

I think the problem is you have gone in too hard in acting like one family with one set of finances, when really at this point it would be more natural for you to just buy things for your kids, and him for his. No need for this to be a drama at all, the kids would surely naturally go to their own parent to ask for something?

I think your past experiences are colouring your opinion on what should be minor things, and this will make anything less than total equality really difficult for you to handle. So things would be much simpler if you didn't aim for the impossible, and just began by coexisting as two entwined but seperate families.

aSofaNearYou · 03/07/2021 22:38

I should say though, I would find his reaction the biggest red flag here, that is the part I would be concerned about.

Tiredoftattler · 03/07/2021 22:38

OP, you have very firm opinions about how things should be handled. You have to recognize that even though you share similar values, you may share views on execution and implementation of those values.

I think that his daughter's ability to enjoy a vacation comparable to what her father normally does should have been considered in your planning.

I do think that 5 people drinking from the same cup is not very hygienic, and even as a child, it was not something that I would have done with 3 people with whom I was not related.

It sounds as though for this relationship to be successful for you, your partner and his daughter will have to make all of the compromises.

Living apart and rearing your children separately while maintaining your romantic/companion relationship may be better than attempting to blend. His daughter should not have to make sacrifices so that your children are not upset, and your children should not necessarily have to witness another child being treated differently.

Both sets of children could benefit from knowing that people parent differently and that they will see many different parenting styles. You will parent as you think best, and he has the right to do the same.

Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 22:40

@AlternativePerspective

Well, it happens like that sometimes.

Truth is that the children weren’t introduced into the relationship until fairly late on, which is one of the reasons why I personally think it’s better to introduce kids sooner rather than later, although I know you didn’t have that option. But it means you were an established couple before throwing a bomb into the middle of the relationship and realising that neither of you could deal with it.

In essence, your parenting styles are just not compatible. Added to which he doesn’t deal with confrontation, he has a temper tantrum, demands his key back and storms off. How do you think that one will go if you live together? Locking you out of the house maybe? Telling you he wants you to leave?

It’s far better that you see this for what it is now before becoming too committed.

That’s true. I definitely don’t want to go through something else lily that and I don’t know if my kids would cope with it. It’s just too much of a risk if my kids were unhappy. My ex would be all over it and I might lose them. Thing is, I have my kids 12/14 days and ft over holidays so a relationship away from them just won’t work which is very sad actually.
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Clickbait · 03/07/2021 22:41

I would be really disappointed by this too OP.

Would it be practical to stay together as a couple but take a step back from the idea of blending? Just see each other when all the DC are with their other parent?

Tiredoftattler · 03/07/2021 22:43

Share different views in execution and implementation

cauliflowerkorma · 03/07/2021 22:46

Having lost your children once and just got them back i would go nowhere near blending again for some time.

What worries me more then anyone is a little madam who whispers in daddys ear and gets what she wants despite the fallout. She knows exactly what she is doing and would quite possibly based on the many threads on here lord it over you over the years and exploit it to the max. Are you and your kids prepared to put up with that?

To be fair i also think shes a bit old for blending and the amount of compromise involved.

Ive been with my partner 4/5 years 2 kids each and live together part time and our kids dont live together and never will. They are very varied ages.