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Izbizbiz · 03/07/2021 21:25

I’m really struggling with a situation and I need advice.
Bit of background-
My partner and I have been together for over 2.5 yrs.
I’ve been navigating an incredibly acrimonious divorce and secured a residence order of my children last October after being alienated from them by my ex. The relationship with their dad is obviously very complicated and I have been focusing on their welfare rather than introducing my partner more than just a couple of times over the years.
They were obviously aware of him, have met and know of him and his daughter but our involvement as a 5 has been very limited.
My ex took exception to my new partner and my children were dead against being around him for a really long time. I had bigger fish to fry so we didn’t push it.
With help from a child psychologist, we have slowly been increasing exposure and things were going ok.
After successful day trips together, We eventually decided to go on a trip for 4 days as a 5 last week.
My kids had a good time and everything seemed to be well except for a few situations which I addressed with my partner when I came home.
Namely, the difference in treatment that my partner seems to be giving his own daughter versus my 2 children. FYI. My kids are 11 and 7 and his daughter is 11.
On 2 separate occasions, we were buying the children treats. First time it was a faux jewel. The shop had 2 sizes, one at £4 and one at £10. I told my son to choose a small jewel and he and his sister chose one. My partner’s daughter asked if she could have the bigger one and I said no. My partner was there and heard. She whispered to him and he bought her the big one. My children were really shocked but didn’t push my boundary. I could tell my youngest was disappointed and I was really angry and my partner and disappointed with his daughter because I had said no and my 2 were getting the smaller version.
Then we were in another shop and he offered to buy them a healing crystal. He told all 3 kids they could have 1 each which they accepted until his daughter whispered to her dad again and she was bought 2 and my kids were bought 1.

There were also other instances when we ate out and he let her take all of the ketchup and didn’t consider anyone else, wouldn’t share drinks or food we bought to share and was bought her own when no one else was offered their own and still expected to share and she wasn’t forced or spoken to about it.

We bought a refill cup at a park for us all to share and she insisted on having her own, 4 of us shared 1 cup and she had her own.

Anyway, I know these things aren’t really a big deal in the grand scheme but given that I too have children that I have been working so hard to listen to me and cooperate with me, I feel like it really undermines and confuses my position. It also must make them feel less important.

Even if I didn’t have these challenges, I wouldn’t want my children brought up in this way.

I feel like his decisions to give her more than my children is insensitive.

I spoke to him about it to try to understand his point of view. I initially wondered if his view was that perhaps he felt I should be treating my children more than I am.

It wasn’t received well. He said he didn’t see an issue with what he did and obviously felt defensive of me tackling the issue because he started saying things about my children’s behaviour, them not including his daughter and my parenting style. I did try to discuss that I felt they should be treated the same and to referred back to our own personal values which I thought were exactly the same.

I was really upset about his reaction but I examined what he had said and genuinely thought whether there was any truth in what he said. I honestly can’t see his point of view, I feel like he just started being spiteful because he didn’t like what I said.

This all came to a head last night over the phone and we did have words. Eventually, he said my kids don’t have manners and I let them behave badly which just isn’t true. I’ve been very honest about my challenges with them and I am very aware of the issues we face but I do not agree with those points.

He came over unannounced this morning and demanded I give him back his key then stormed off. We haven’t spoken all day and I feel like I’m in a bit of a spin.

We usually have a great relationship when it’s just us and I genuinely couldn’t have gotten through the past couple of years without him but as I said, we didn’t mix our families until fairly recently so I’m really wondering if we don’t mesh on that level.

I’ve left an abusive marriage and struggled with gaslighting so I don’t always trust my own judgment. I’m really worried I’ve gone from one bad relationship to another or wondering if I’m tarring him with the same brush as my ex.

I don’t know what to do. Should I not have addressed these issues? Am I ignoring red flags or AITAH?

I don’t even know where to start with talking to him again.

Please help x

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Codswallop20 · 04/07/2021 03:21

I've been all the way through this scenario.
It doesn't get any easier or any better. My DH has guilt that he's not there all the time, DSC are spoilt and resentful, EXW has encouraged this and discouraged healthy relationships throughout.

My DC are as jealous as his, nothing ever seems to be fair to anyone.

My advice is stay with him if you love him but don't try blending families. I am constantly hurt and so is DH and the kids all have issues that we can't resolve because we only control a bit of what happens a portion of the time.

Date now. Wait until they are grown before anything more permanent. I love DH dearly but oh my god, if I knew what was in store I would have walked away.

In a few years they will all be grown and flown the nest, and we can enjoy our relationship. I hope we get that far.

CoralSparkles · 04/07/2021 05:45

I don’t see any issue with him buying his Dd the slightly more expensive stuff, especially as he has only met your Dc a couple of times. You’re still 2 very separate families getting to know each other. It was nice he offered to buy your Dc a small token gift. I also think it’s really weird that four people shared a cup. Not very hygienic. Why didn’t you buy your Dc their own cups?

whiteroseredrose · 04/07/2021 07:37

As the old Mumsnet adage goes, he's telling you who he is with his actions. You need to listen.

Longestfewdaysupcoming · 04/07/2021 07:45

Why couldn’t she share the cup with her dad?

Guavafish · 04/07/2021 07:57

Clearly you both have different parenting styles. I don’t think you will be able to change it or impose your style on to him. It will not work.

I also don’t think the child did anything wrong… you gave your son a choice between the small and big toy jewel but not your partners daughter? Why does she have to share a refill cup? I don’t think her father has done anything wrong. You want to impose your parenting rules on to him.

You say “ As many have said in this thread, it’s not comfortable to be around children where one gets something and another doesn’t regardless of who that child is. I just couldn’t buy my kids something and allow her to go without and it’s important to me that someone I’m with respects and understands that” - no child was with anything? Everyone received a gift, but you never gave her the choice that you gave your son? Why? Sharing a refill cup between different families is unhygienic. My step-child don’t share drinks with me. It’s unfair to impose this rule on her and her father.

You either have to accept different styles or don’t blend.

whiteroseredrose · 04/07/2021 08:02

You've misunderstood @Guavafish. The OP didn't give any of the children a choice. The offer for all was the £4 tat. The other girl wanted the expensive tat so her dad bought it for her. Didn't offer the other DC the expensive one too.

User135792468 · 04/07/2021 08:04

Please don’t move in with this man. Your children face a lifetime of disappointment if you do.

He will always give his daughter extra to make himself look better in her eyes at the expense of your dc.

whiteroseredrose · 04/07/2021 08:04

I've been thinking about this one.

If you've just got your DC back and it was as bad as you've said surely you want the spend quality time with them.

Don't inflict someone on them who will make them feel bad. It sounds like they've been through enough already.

AbsolutelyCrackin · 04/07/2021 09:53

Agree with you about the jewels. He should have supported you with saying no to the bigger.

Don't agree re the cup though. I wouldn't want to share a cup all day with 4 other people either. Especially ones I barely know. Personally I would have let her share one with her dad and you share one with your DC.

Starseeking · 04/07/2021 10:01

Sorry OP from what you have described, it would be unwise to attempt any further blending of families with this man.

The elevating of his DC above yours will be amplified 10-fold if you are living together, particularly with all this whispering his DD does. I personally dislike whispering, and have always told my DC it's rude. My EXDP allowed his DS to whisper to him all the time, especially when I'd already told him no, and he'd always give in. Note EXDP.

Your DP's response to you raising this for discussion seems to be that of a tantrumming toddler; how would that work if you lived together and had nowhere else to go? That's the part which would give me most pause, and make me nervous of continuing the relationship with him.

If you must, keep dating him away from your DC, and make no attempt to blend the DC. Just be aware that he does not share the same views on parenting as you do (even if his words say he does, his actions don't) and also that he has more money to spoil his DD with.

Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:11

@CoralSparkles

I don’t see any issue with him buying his Dd the slightly more expensive stuff, especially as he has only met your Dc a couple of times. You’re still 2 very separate families getting to know each other. It was nice he offered to buy your Dc a small token gift. I also think it’s really weird that four people shared a cup. Not very hygienic. Why didn’t you buy your Dc their own cups?
We are very much in an established relationship and have been for a long time. We agreed to share all of the cost for the trip so we were paying for everything as a 5 then tallying it up and splitting it accordingly- I got lunch, he got dinner etc same with the accommodation and park tickets. It was very much a shared financial commitment. Re the drinks, it was £15 a cup. There’s no way We were paying or would have used£75 of juice in a day. I day 1, we bought a few drinks adhoc and saw the refillable cup and he suggested we get 1 for us all to share. I was in agreement. The cups have a chip inside and this allows you to use the draft machines dotted around the park. In fact, her cup stopped working for some reason and in the absence of staff to rectify the situation, she ended up asking to have some of the juice we had 🙈
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StarryNight468 · 04/07/2021 10:13

He's not congruent with his words and actions.

I'm the sort of person that if I go out with my friends and their dc and my dc want to do something and I know my friends won't be able to afford that extra then I would just pay for their dc. I also have a very unselfish group of friends, I might get invited for a meal and say sorry I cant afford it this month and my friends would pay and vice versa. Some people aren't like that.

I also would be annoyed if me, dh, dc and sdc went out, dc and dh acted like your dp did and we're not a completely fair family. Dh often buys little toys for dss who is 8. My dc don't get the same amount of little treats like dss does. My dc get bigger and less often treats. Ds has had a new football and a new basketball last week from me. I didn't then buy dss something as I bought ds toys or dd anything. I pay for a club every month for dd, I don't then spend that same money on ds or dss. I bought new pyjamas, a new light and a sketch book for dss when I went shopping Friday, I bought dd a calligraphy set and ds a book. Dss got more in terms of money spent, no one feels its unfair as they get what they need/want at other times.

Dh buys dss trinket toys and not my dc, he tends to buy them more food based treats on days dss isn't around. I don't keep an eye out for what he spends and who he spends it on. My dc don't get upset at dh buying dss small things and if they did I'd talk to them and point out all he does do and all they get from me.

It wasn't always like this though, dh definitely over indulged dss before we were together and there were occasions where I felt like we were the poor relations because I didnt want to spend the same amount as dh spent on dss. We've reached this middle ground and dc being OK with different money being spent at different times over time. Dh would have definitely done what your dp did at the beginning, but as we grew closer and he saw how I parented he has taken on similar ways of parenting as he's seen the difference in our dc. It's not perfect and we do still argue over our differences but there is light at the end of the tunnel and he is making positive changes to standard parenting. I wouldn't advise going about it this way, I'd rather have found someone who shared more similar values and ways to achieve those values as our arguments have been awful.

Lorw · 04/07/2021 10:16

You have two separate families, you’re not blended with shared finances so I don’t see the problem? Especially about the sharing cups thing, she didn’t want to share with children she didn’t know very well, that’s not a bad thing? If you thought it unfair why didn’t you just buy your children their own? It seems that you want it all on your terms which won’t work with blending families, your children shouldn’t feel like they need to be treat the same as his daughter because you don’t live together and aren’t blended so don’t need to be treat equally, surely your children are old enough to understand that?

It’s not going to work OP. I reckon you probably need to find someone who doesn’t have children or has children who are grown.

Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:21

@whiteroseredrose

I've been thinking about this one.

If you've just got your DC back and it was as bad as you've said surely you want the spend quality time with them.

Don't inflict someone on them who will make them feel bad. It sounds like they've been through enough already.

Of course I want to spend time with my children however it’s a lonely situation just with 3 of us and I thought I’d met someone who would be beneficial in all of our lives and his daughter is the same age as mine so it seemed like a solution that would be happy for all of us if we could overcome the challenges that were imposed on us. Just because I want to spend time with someone else as well, doesn’t mean I don’t want to spend time with my kids. Also, being a single parent is very restrictive- I can’t go out for example- it would be nice to have companionship in the evenings when the children are in bed. Even practical things like being able to nip to the shop after 8 pm for milk. Everything a relationship brings, sex, adult company, someone to share the load of life, someone to dream with, someone to share the finances so we can all live a better life.
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Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:31

@StarryNight468

He's not congruent with his words and actions.

I'm the sort of person that if I go out with my friends and their dc and my dc want to do something and I know my friends won't be able to afford that extra then I would just pay for their dc. I also have a very unselfish group of friends, I might get invited for a meal and say sorry I cant afford it this month and my friends would pay and vice versa. Some people aren't like that.

I also would be annoyed if me, dh, dc and sdc went out, dc and dh acted like your dp did and we're not a completely fair family. Dh often buys little toys for dss who is 8. My dc don't get the same amount of little treats like dss does. My dc get bigger and less often treats. Ds has had a new football and a new basketball last week from me. I didn't then buy dss something as I bought ds toys or dd anything. I pay for a club every month for dd, I don't then spend that same money on ds or dss. I bought new pyjamas, a new light and a sketch book for dss when I went shopping Friday, I bought dd a calligraphy set and ds a book. Dss got more in terms of money spent, no one feels its unfair as they get what they need/want at other times.

Dh buys dss trinket toys and not my dc, he tends to buy them more food based treats on days dss isn't around. I don't keep an eye out for what he spends and who he spends it on. My dc don't get upset at dh buying dss small things and if they did I'd talk to them and point out all he does do and all they get from me.

It wasn't always like this though, dh definitely over indulged dss before we were together and there were occasions where I felt like we were the poor relations because I didnt want to spend the same amount as dh spent on dss. We've reached this middle ground and dc being OK with different money being spent at different times over time. Dh would have definitely done what your dp did at the beginning, but as we grew closer and he saw how I parented he has taken on similar ways of parenting as he's seen the difference in our dc. It's not perfect and we do still argue over our differences but there is light at the end of the tunnel and he is making positive changes to standard parenting. I wouldn't advise going about it this way, I'd rather have found someone who shared more similar values and ways to achieve those values as our arguments have been awful.

I have no issues whatsoever at the moment about the kids being bought different things at different times. As you say, they have different needs and interests. However, if we are all together and buying a treat, I would expect that they are all offered or bought the same. If there’s no restrictions- ie, chose what you want and that’s bought then I have no issue with them getting whatever they want m. I have an issue with saying to all of the kids, ‘you can have 1 of these’ then when my kids are standing with their 1 item, one of the kids gets to chose and buy another one and ends up with double. Had my kids turnaround and asked for another one, I’d have been cross with them for being entitled because that’s ungrateful and demanding and not something they’ve ever been encouraged (actually discouraged) to do.
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Chamomileteaplease · 04/07/2021 10:31

Loads here but,

you haven't really answered about the five of you sharing one cup except to say £75 is too much. Of course it is, but you could have all drunk water or done something in between.

It was your partner's idea to share a cup but a stupid one. Would you really share a cup with one person you loved and three people you didn't know? 99% of people would find that disgusting.

Once again though it's the way your partner handled it that was wrong.

Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:35

@Lorw

You have two separate families, you’re not blended with shared finances so I don’t see the problem? Especially about the sharing cups thing, she didn’t want to share with children she didn’t know very well, that’s not a bad thing? If you thought it unfair why didn’t you just buy your children their own? It seems that you want it all on your terms which won’t work with blending families, your children shouldn’t feel like they need to be treat the same as his daughter because you don’t live together and aren’t blended so don’t need to be treat equally, surely your children are old enough to understand that?

It’s not going to work OP. I reckon you probably need to find someone who doesn’t have children or has children who are grown.

We had discussed and agreed re the cup. It was his idea actually. It was £15 each cup so there was no way we were going to spend £45 or £75 for us each to get our own.there was also no way we were going to drink £75 of juice in a day. It was a practical solution.
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Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:37

@Longestfewdaysupcoming

Why couldn’t she share the cup with her dad?
This is the thing, he shared the cup with us. She didn’t want to share at all and this was accepted
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Longestfewdaysupcoming · 04/07/2021 10:38

Why didn’t you get two cups? My kids wouldn’t have wanted to share with step siblings they didn’t really know either and I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

CliffsofMohair · 04/07/2021 10:44

@whiteroseredrose

I've been thinking about this one.

If you've just got your DC back and it was as bad as you've said surely you want the spend quality time with them.

Don't inflict someone on them who will make them feel bad. It sounds like they've been through enough already.

This in spades.

Also, your comment about what he should/shouldn’t do or what you would/wouldn’t do when you’re trying to blend a family resonated. Maybe the DD doesn’t want to be blended. And that’s ok too.

His reaction and storming off is the bigger worry tbh

Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:46

@Chamomileteaplease

Loads here but,

you haven't really answered about the five of you sharing one cup except to say £75 is too much. Of course it is, but you could have all drunk water or done something in between.

It was your partner's idea to share a cup but a stupid one. Would you really share a cup with one person you loved and three people you didn't know? 99% of people would find that disgusting.

Once again though it's the way your partner handled it that was wrong.

Yes, not for everyone but quite often we do share things . Especially if we are out and about and need to carry things. We can easily buy 1 bottle of Fanta, all have a drink and bin it. We do it all the time. I get not everyone would do that but as it was his suggestion, I was under the impression that he was in agreement. As I said afterwards, her cup stopped working and she shared the other one because she had no other choice. Abd there in lord my issue. Sometimes we make decisions based on our values rather than ability to provide. Of course we could afford £75 or £45 for drinks but is that excessive? Would we have done something different like buy them drinks adhoc? Probably. The thing that bothered me was that he suggested a solution which was communicated to the kids then did something different for his daughter and my 2 were left with the restriction. At that point, I couldn’t say - let’s just scrap the cup idea because they were excited about having this fancy branded cup that had already been paid for
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Longestfewdaysupcoming · 04/07/2021 10:49

But her initially not wanting to share with children she doesn’t know well was not unreasonable.

Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:55

It’s such a tricky balance. We’ve had many challenges over the years and some of it is working out why they ‘don’t want’ something.
As I’ve said, we are working with a child psychologist because I was alienated from my kids. If they were fully listened to a year ago, I’d never see my daughter again.
So, I guess to answer your question‘perhaps they don’t want to be blended’ maybe they don’t but is that because they want mum abd dad back together? That’s never going to happen. Maybe they are uncomfortable with being out of their comfort zone in a particular situation. Maybe they’ve never seen a positive blend.
There’s lots of things that kids don’t want to do - my son rarely wants to go to school but I need to ensure that he goes.
I’m not saying it’s wgat I want and they have to go along with it but there is an element of being the parent who looks at the situation holistically and makes the right deficit them based on everyone’s needs. A sheriff agreed with me to the extent that she drastically reduced my exes time with our kids so I must be doing something right (or maybe he was doing something very wrong!)
The fact that I’m on here searching for different perspective and taking into account others views shows I don’t have a linear view.

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Izbizbiz · 04/07/2021 10:56

@Izbizbiz

It’s such a tricky balance. We’ve had many challenges over the years and some of it is working out why they ‘don’t want’ something. As I’ve said, we are working with a child psychologist because I was alienated from my kids. If they were fully listened to a year ago, I’d never see my daughter again. So, I guess to answer your question‘perhaps they don’t want to be blended’ maybe they don’t but is that because they want mum abd dad back together? That’s never going to happen. Maybe they are uncomfortable with being out of their comfort zone in a particular situation. Maybe they’ve never seen a positive blend. There’s lots of things that kids don’t want to do - my son rarely wants to go to school but I need to ensure that he goes. I’m not saying it’s wgat I want and they have to go along with it but there is an element of being the parent who looks at the situation holistically and makes the right deficit them based on everyone’s needs. A sheriff agreed with me to the extent that she drastically reduced my exes time with our kids so I must be doing something right (or maybe he was doing something very wrong!) The fact that I’m on here searching for different perspective and taking into account others views shows I don’t have a linear view.
Not deficit - decision
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Beefcurtains79 · 04/07/2021 10:59

It seems that you want his daughter to downgrade her lifestyle to make your children feel better.
Why on earth should she?