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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

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bogoffmda · 28/02/2021 17:58

You have a DP problem - his responsibility to sort child are out for his DCS when he is supposed to have them not expect either her or you to step up.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 17:58

@Oswin if she got a job that meant the childcare arrangements needed changing then of course DP would try his best to help facilitate it.
I should not however be a factor in these decisions nor should it be assumed I’d be willing to facilitate it, because I wouldn’t.

But seeing as he is currently in employment and she isn’t, then the sensible thing would be to discuss such changes before accepting a role in case the other parent wasn’t available to help.
I wouldn’t just change jobs and expect my ex to be available when I know he works, what’s the point in that?

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 17:59

OP literally said he DP offered to change jobs to have the kids more and she kicked off because dog meant she would get less child maintenance and didn’t want to have less time with them. Have a day off ffs.

@SmallPrawnEnergy And that's relevant to my point how?

My point is that if she is such a shit parent why wouldn't he change his job and have the children more? Why would he cede to the wishes of the apparently terribly awful mother?

She can't be that bad or he would have told her "I'm changing my job and going for 50/50".

It's funny how many men have such appallingly bad exes yet none of them have their children for any decent length of time. If she's as bad as the OP claims then you have to wonder how the OP has any respect for her DH leaving his children in that situation and not simply changing his job and sorting it.

Milliepossum · 28/02/2021 18:03

I agree, the arrangements should be in place as if the OP wasn’t there at all. If the ex wants money from the father to subsidise her choice to not work then she just has to accept the changes in days because he has to work shifts. No shifts, no money, how is that so hard to understand?

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:04

My point is that if she is such a shit parent why wouldn't he change his job and have the children more? Why would he cede to the wishes of the apparently terribly awful mother?
She’s not an awful mother, she’s an awful person though.
The kids are loved, in a nice home, they are not neglected or hard done by. Her parenting choices aren’t what I’d choose (huge understatement) but they have a nice life with their mum and love her.
I’m not sure the kids would even want 50/50 to be honest due to their ages and the status quo being in place for nearly 11 years.
DP’s ex just wants to have as much free time as possible, that’s what she implies to us at least anyway.
She can have as much free time as she likes as long as she isn’t expecting me to facilitate it

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:04

@Milliepossum

I agree, the arrangements should be in place as if the OP wasn’t there at all. If the ex wants money from the father to subsidise her choice to not work then she just has to accept the changes in days because he has to work shifts. No shifts, no money, how is that so hard to understand?
Her choice to work or not makes no difference to her maintenance. She'd get that if she was unemployed, working full time or a multi millionaire. He doesn't finance her, he part-finances his own kids.

FFS.

numberoneson · 28/02/2021 18:06

Tell your partner to tell her in no uncertain terms that she's not only a CF expecting you to take on responsibility for HER kids, but that turning them against you is pretty damn counterproductive, as it will cause rifts between his and her kids and him too.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:07

No shifts, no money, how is that so hard to understand?

Oh but some of them want it all, you see... "don't you dare reduce your work hours to the detriment of my CM amount...but you'd better take the kids whenever I demand, I don't give a shit if you're at work - sort it."

I mean .. I'm projecting slightly - that's DP's exW. But still, she's not the only one from what I'm reading!

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:07

@Milliepossum exactly.
DP would take a considerable drop in pay because he’d have to completely change his job role to a much more junior position which would also mean he would have to reduce CMS, something his ex has said she would not be happy about.
He’s also not getting any younger (he’s a lot older than me) and it’s not that easy now to just change career now.

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Milliepossum · 28/02/2021 18:07

It is clear from previous posts that the maintenance is important income for the ex. If the father didn’t work then she wouldn’t be getting this money to pay household expenses including the kids costs.

funinthesun19 · 28/02/2021 18:08

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

This just needs repeating to her again and again and again.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:09

@SpongebobNoPants

My point is that if she is such a shit parent why wouldn't he change his job and have the children more? Why would he cede to the wishes of the apparently terribly awful mother? She’s not an awful mother, she’s an awful person though. The kids are loved, in a nice home, they are not neglected or hard done by. Her parenting choices aren’t what I’d choose (huge understatement) but they have a nice life with their mum and love her. I’m not sure the kids would even want 50/50 to be honest due to their ages and the status quo being in place for nearly 11 years. DP’s ex just wants to have as much free time as possible, that’s what she implies to us at least anyway. She can have as much free time as she likes as long as she isn’t expecting me to facilitate it
She's spiteful and nasty, openly doesn't want her kids around much (which if it's as constant as you say will have an impact on their mental health and self worth), doesn't lift a finger to help their education, but she's a good parent?

Children loving their parents or not doesn't give a guide if they're good parents.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:10

@JustLyra no I completely agree. He isn’t and has never shirked his responsibilities regarding the kids. The arrangement between them has always been mutual and has stood for nearly 11 years.
The only thing that has changed is DP and I living together which his ex now thinks means I am a secondary source of free childcare.
I’m not. I’ll help out in an emergency sure, but not just because his ex fancies a bit more free time.

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IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 28/02/2021 18:11

DP’s ex just wants to have as much free time as possible

Considering he has twelve days child free and she has two, its hardly shared parenting so maybe that’s why she’s asking.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:11

@JustLyra fair enough.
It’s still not my problem though.

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Courtney555 · 28/02/2021 18:11

Her choice to work or not makes no difference to her maintenance. She'd get that if she was unemployed, working full time or a multi millionaire

@JustLyra are you the ExW? Confused

Did you miss the bit where the DH offered to reduce his work and have them 50/50 but she went off because her maintenance would be reduced.

She sits at home complaining how she needs a break (on Fridays by a free babysitter, but not on Sundays when it's actual time with their father) but when the father says, fine I'll cut my Friday shifts and have them, she wails about the money she doesn't get.

She's a lazy CF.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:12

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

DP’s ex just wants to have as much free time as possible

Considering he has twelve days child free and she has two, its hardly shared parenting so maybe that’s why she’s asking.

I think shared parenting was offered to her and she didn't want it as it would reduce her CM payment? Did I understand that right OP?

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:14

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@JustLyra fair enough.
It’s still not my problem though.[/quote]
At no point did I say it was your problem. In fact I've said several times its your DH's problem.

Milliepossum · 28/02/2021 18:14

It’s ridiculous of the ex to expect the OP to have an obligation to do shared parenting when they aren’t her children.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:14

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss considering she has a minimum of 30 hours a week to herself when the kids are at school... actually probably closer to 40 when you factor in that I already facilitate after school dinners twice a week I’d say she’s got a pretty good deal to be honest.
The youngest is here nearly every weekend (through choice) which again is fine with me.

Again, I’ll say the agreement has been long standing. It’s only been since I naively helped last time that it’s become a problem and she’s expecting me to carry on.

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Joeblack066 · 28/02/2021 18:14

Well I’m going to go against the grain here.
These kids will have 18ths and Engagements and Weddings etc in the future. Currently they’ll be awful because of the tension created over this. You chose to go out with a man with kids. You need to make an effort. Put your big girl pants on and let the EOW arrangement continue.
And yes I’ve been there and yes that’s what I did and even tho the man in question is now dead I have a good relationship with my grown up SCs.
I know MN is going to hate me tho!

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:16

@LouJ85 yes, it has been offered several times over the last few years. It is no longer an option now really due to DP’s age and other financial commitments. But even if it was, his ex has made it clear she wants CMS at the level he’s currently paying and doesn’t want shared care.

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:18

@Courtney555

Her choice to work or not makes no difference to her maintenance. She'd get that if she was unemployed, working full time or a multi millionaire

@JustLyra are you the ExW? Confused

Did you miss the bit where the DH offered to reduce his work and have them 50/50 but she went off because her maintenance would be reduced.

She sits at home complaining how she needs a break (on Fridays by a free babysitter, but not on Sundays when it's actual time with their father) but when the father says, fine I'll cut my Friday shifts and have them, she wails about the money she doesn't get.

She's a lazy CF.

Did you miss the bit where when the appallingly bad parent said no the DH said "Ok then"?

She can't be that shit if he's happy for her to have the kids for the majority of the time.

And no, I'm not the ex. I was the kid with shit parents though and it fucking enrages me when lazy fucker fathers (and their partners) whine on about how awful the mother is yet none of them every think to take the kids. Funny how they become "not that bad" once the question is asked.

This woman might be the laziest fucker in the world, but it still doesn't mean that she's out of order not wanting to dance to her exes tune over his shift changes. He should be organising a babysitter when he can't have the children or asking her to revert to their old pattern of switching.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:18

@Joeblack066 nope there’s tension because his ex continually speaks to me like a piece of shit and is openly hostile to me, all whilst expecting me to help her out.
And no I will look after her kids whilst she has done nothing all week and I’ve worked and looking after my own kids.
I do not expect DP to look after my kids either.

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:19

The poor kids are currently in the middle of a situation where they know that no-one fucking wants them.

That's just appalling and everyone involved is kidding themselves if they think that will have no effect.