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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

OP posts:
CoraPirbright · 28/02/2021 17:28

Spongebobnopants Why can’t she pay for this thing I want?

Errrrr...say what, now Confused

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:29

His ex is still the child's mother, and ultimately, if he can't have them because he is working, she has to. I can never understand this "it's not my weekend" mentality divorced couples get themselves into. They are your children and if you were still together you'd have to get on with it.

Absolutely this. I don't understand it either, not one bit. When DD's Dad has been unable to have her for whatever reason over the years, I wouldn't dream of going "well it's your weekend, sort it out". I'd just get on with it, because she's my child. But that's just me.

worried3012 · 28/02/2021 17:34

I agree that she sounds hard work and you don't owe her a thing.
The only thing I would say is kids can be quite paranoid and can easily feel rejected where you have their mother and their dad's partner arguing over who has them. So be wary of that. They don't understand things quite yet like adults do.

The arrangement would annoy me too, changing every 3 months because of his shifts - my ex keeps moving further away and contact is forever changing which caused problems with activities and fixed plans etc. But she agreed to it and as you say, it's been happily working for years. If she wants something different to happen she will need to apply for a court order for the courts to consider. The judge may ask her why she isn't happy with the previous agreement and she will need to explain. As they have no court ordered arrangement, she cannot force him/you to have the kids.

But saying all that, I do get where you're coming from and I'd say stick to your guns and if she wants this to change she'll have to get a court order - I can't see a judge ordering contact for a day when the dad isn't even there but you never know. Court orders for 16 year olds may be rare but not for 12 year olds.

louisejxxx · 28/02/2021 17:34

Same here - If it was me I think I’d jump at the chance for the extra time with them personally, rather than demanding all the time that I need time away from them.

B33Fr33 · 28/02/2021 17:35

I do disagree that she isn't homeschooling secondary children? But I guess you're determined to be an all round "better" in your post. We've been doing a lot of supporting learning such as quadratic equations, organising sports day in French, news reports in Spanish, teaching physics and chemistry were OK but computer studies I found very challenging. In comparison tutoring my primary school children has been straightforward multiplication, division and usual stuff around literacy.

TrustTheGeneGenie · 28/02/2021 17:36

@B33Fr33

I do disagree that she isn't homeschooling secondary children? But I guess you're determined to be an all round "better" in your post. We've been doing a lot of supporting learning such as quadratic equations, organising sports day in French, news reports in Spanish, teaching physics and chemistry were OK but computer studies I found very challenging. In comparison tutoring my primary school children has been straightforward multiplication, division and usual stuff around literacy.
Yeah I totally imagine a woman who is continuously telling her kids that she needs time away from them is doing all those things!
SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 17:36

@m0therofdragons he’s hasn’t controlled her with his shift patterns, what on earth are you on about? Did you miss the bit where he has previously suggested he change his job to have the kids more and she lost the plot over it?

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feistyoneyouare · 28/02/2021 17:37

Not RTFT but wow, his ex is one entitled CF.

This reminds me so much of when my DSD was little. Because I wfh it was all 'why can't feistyone have her?' whenever DH's ex reckoned she was due some me-time in the school hols or whenever. The best one was when she expected me to take a day off work to care for DSD when she was ill, so that she (DSD's mum) herself wouldn't have to take a day off. This request was made very shortly after a massive bust-up, during which she'd called me all the names under the sun, caused by the fact that she was called out on various other kinds of CF-ery she'd been enacting on DH for ages before I came on the scene and stood up for him and myself.

I don't know where some of these women find the brass neck, I really don't.

MzHz · 28/02/2021 17:37

YA totally NBU

And what’s more, I’d be knocking the kids just rocking up after school if they were rude too. Get their dad to go back to collecting them.

Eddielzzard · 28/02/2021 17:38

What does your DP think of her demands?

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 17:38

@B33Fr33 your post made me laugh.
You sound like a fantastic mother but there’s not a chance in hell she’ll be doing that with this kids. She doesn’t value education and keeps the kids off school every time one of them farts

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 17:39

@TrustTheGeneGenie

TrustTheGeneGenie Arrangements change, as was shown by the OP and her DH changing them last time

Er yeah... To help her..... And this is how you suggest she repays them? Wow. Just wow.

I wasn't suggesting anything. Just pointing out that arrangements change so saying "This was the arrangement before" means nowt.
ivykaty44 · 28/02/2021 17:40

If the sc say anything I d say

access arrangements are nothing to do with me...see your dad about that one

Ideasplease322 · 28/02/2021 17:40

This is your husbands mess to fix, it’s not fair to expect you to tpbe the babysitter.

I do Think your husband and his ex need to Look at how they share their parenting responsibilities.

It doesn’t sound like your husband is doing as much as his ex. Perhaps a 50-50 arrangement would be better? It’s not 1950. Their mum should get herself sorted with a career which is just as important as her ex’s.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 17:40

Also @TrustTheGeneGenie the Op changed the arrangement to help her DH. Not the children's mother.

His weekends are not helping the mother. They're parenting his children.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 17:41

If she's such a shit parent then it's surprising your DH hasn't changed his jobs and insisted on having them more, or even full time.

RandomMess · 28/02/2021 17:42

Well she's backed herself into a corner. This means you can do 50:50 from now midweek to midweek so she gets her break and you can deal with them when DH not there.

Shame about her maintenance though 🤷🏽‍♀️

ILoveYou3000 · 28/02/2021 17:43

Yes, 11 years of controlling shite and she’s finally stood up to her ex and said this doesn’t work for her anymore. What if the ex wife were to get a job that’s shift work and suddenly decided op’s partner had to change his days as and when to suit her? No one would think that is okay. After 11 years it’s totally fair to review childcare arrangements!

Did you miss where OP's husband has previously offered to change his job and take on 50/50 care but his ex kicked off at the mere suggestion.

SmallPrawnEnergy · 28/02/2021 17:43

@JustLyra

If she's such a shit parent then it's surprising your DH hasn't changed his jobs and insisted on having them more, or even full time.
OP literally said he DP offered to change jobs to have the kids more and she kicked off because dog meant she would get less child maintenance and didn’t want to have less time with them. Have a day off ffs.
LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:48

She doesn’t value education and keeps the kids off school every time one of them farts

😂

Oswin · 28/02/2021 17:49

@LouJ85

His ex is still the child's mother, and ultimately, if he can't have them because he is working, she has to. I can never understand this "it's not my weekend" mentality divorced couples get themselves into. They are your children and if you were still together you'd have to get on with it.

Absolutely this. I don't understand it either, not one bit. When DD's Dad has been unable to have her for whatever reason over the years, I wouldn't dream of going "well it's your weekend, sort it out". I'd just get on with it, because she's my child. But that's just me.

But its only ever considered reasonable if its the father changing plans. The other way round is considered cheeky. Would you be ok with your dps ex changing shifts and expecting your partner to have the child? Because I've seen the threads on here and it is generally considered shitty. It seems that the mother is considered the main parent with the responsibilities, who should be fine with plans being changed because they are a mother.

I agree with op btw. I just wanted to pick up this point. It's like mothers are expected to always be available but never expected the other way around.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:50

This reminds me so much of when my DSD was little. Because I wfh it was all 'why can't feistyone have her?' whenever DH's ex reckoned she was due some me-time in the school hols or whenever. The best one was when she expected me to take a day off work to care for DSD when she was ill, so that she (DSD's mum) herself wouldn't have to take a day off.

I mean. I thought the "can't Lou just do it" requests DP's ex made were bad. But this is some other level of CF behaviour.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:51

Would you be ok with your dps ex changing shifts and expecting your partner to have the child?

Hmm let me think about this one.

Given she's never worked a day in her lazy arse life, I can't see it arising.

🤷‍♀️

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 17:56

@Oswin
I don't agree that it's the "mother" who gets the brunt of the unavailability / change in contact arrangements. It's whoever is decided will be the resident parent.

In the case of myself and my ex, we both jointly decided that I would be RP, and he would have EOW and holiday contact. That was the arrangement that all parties agreed to and felt was most suitable at the time we split.

Therefore, by virtue of that agreement, that I wanted my DD with me most of the time, and so did he, I accepted more responsibility in the sense of, if he cancels his weekend for whatever reason, it's on me. If we'd made the decision for him to be RP at the time of our split, and I cancelled my weekend contact, it would have been him "picking up the slack".

As it happened, I never saw it as "picking up the slack". I wanted my girl with me as much as possible as her mum. But that's just me, like I say.

endlesswicker · 28/02/2021 17:57

Am I missing something here? I thought that the whole point of an arrangement like this is to facilitate then sdc's relationship with their father. What on earth is the point in them coming at all if he isn't there?

The arrangement is not to give their mum a break from them.