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DP’s Ex demanding I do childcare

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SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 11:15

DP and his ex have an EOW arrangement with SCs, and SCs come for dinner a couple of times a week too but don’t stay over.

DP’s job has always involved some night shift work and he has to do it generally in 3 month chunks twice a year, so he does nights for 6 months of the year. It has been like this for the last 20 years or so and far predates his prior relationship with his ex and obviously was the case before he met me.

When he does night shifts they are full nights from Monday - Friday, which means he sleeps until Saturday afternoon and his weekend is essentially Saturday afternoon until Monday afternoon.

DP did the first 3 month night shift stint from October and it was the first time he had worked nights since we had moved in together. I naively agreed to look after his kids on the Friday nights he was working when it was his contact weekend with SCs.

The reason being is he was told he was going on nights with very short notice and I said it wasn’t really fair to spring it on his ex when she might have made plans for those Fridays in the run up to Christmas and I know how annoying it is when my own ex chops and changes contact arrangements because of changing shift patterns.

So I covered every Friday - Saturday afternoon on our weekend with SCs to be helpful and make everyone’s lives easier... except of course my own.

DP is going back on nights in March and I’ve told him I’m not willing to do it this time. His ex is incredibly hostile towards me and the facts are that no one benefits from me babysitting the kids except her.

DP doesn’t benefit from it.
My SCs don’t benefit from it as their dad isn’t here
I don’t benefit from it and actually find it a bit much.
My kids don’t benefit from it.

The only person who benefits from it is his ex so I’m unwilling to give up my free time so she can have free time.

I work full time in a very pressured job and have been homeschooling 2 primary aged children through lockdown. DP’s ex doesn’t work and the kids are in secondary school so I definitely have it harder in that sense.

DP spoke to his ex and said about the nightshifts starting again and said he would be able to have SCs from when he wakes up on the Saturday, keep them the remainder of the weekend, take them to school on the Monday and also pick them up from school and have dinner with them before dropping them home on his way to work around 6pm on the Monday evening.
That way he still has them 2 nights, they’re spending time with their dad which is what the contact is actually for and I also get every Friday to spend alone with my own children and relax after a long working week.

Before we lived together this was the arrangement when he worked nights.

His ex has hit the roof saying “Why can’t spongebob have them like before?”. DP said because she’s working all week and I’m not here to spend time with them.

I’ve since had awful messages from her (she’s blocked now) calling me selfish, saying she needs a break etc. I responded only to say that I also need a break, I am not their parent and it’s up to DP and her to sort it out between themselves. I’m not a free on demand babysitter and I’m unwilling to do favours for someone who is rude, abuse and outwardly hostile towards me. She will literally ignore me if I say hello to her.

Well she’s like a dog with a bone. Now the kids are saying “mum says you’re being out of order. It’s not fair on her”.

Am I being unreasonable here? The suggested arrangement whilst DP works nights has stood in place for the last 10 years since they split apart from the most recent stint where I covered it.

The kids will be back at school when the nightshifts start which means ex will have a minimum of 30 hours a week of free time. I’ll be working full time, juggling childcare pick ups etc for my own 2 children.

I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to say I’m not giving up my free time to give her more free time.

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SunshineCake · 28/02/2021 18:19

@Joeblack066

Well I’m going to go against the grain here. These kids will have 18ths and Engagements and Weddings etc in the future. Currently they’ll be awful because of the tension created over this. You chose to go out with a man with kids. You need to make an effort. Put your big girl pants on and let the EOW arrangement continue. And yes I’ve been there and yes that’s what I did and even tho the man in question is now dead I have a good relationship with my grown up SCs. I know MN is going to hate me tho!
Are you reading the same thread as everyone else ??
LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:20

She sits at home complaining how she needs a break

From what?! Sitting on her arse?

Jesus, honestly this annoys me so much. I worked FT whilst RP for my DD from when she was 18 months old to now (she's 14). When I said "I needed a break" (when she was much younger, obviously I don't need a break from a teen as she's pretty self sufficient now), what I meant was, balancing a demanding FT job with being a single mum is bloody draining.

What does this woman mean when she says "I need a break", from teenagers, when she doesn't work? Can anyone shed any light?? 🤷‍♀️

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:21

@LouJ85

She sits at home complaining how she needs a break

From what?! Sitting on her arse?

Jesus, honestly this annoys me so much. I worked FT whilst RP for my DD from when she was 18 months old to now (she's 14). When I said "I needed a break" (when she was much younger, obviously I don't need a break from a teen as she's pretty self sufficient now), what I meant was, balancing a demanding FT job with being a single mum is bloody draining.

What does this woman mean when she says "I need a break", from teenagers, when she doesn't work? Can anyone shed any light?? 🤷‍♀️

Have you had teenagers at home FT during the pandemic?
Azuretwist · 28/02/2021 18:21

@SpongebobNoPants
So the EXW want you to have the 12 & 16 year old one extra night a fortnight. Would this reduce the amount paid to the Mum?
Might be worth making it really clear that 2 nights EOW, plus straight from school for main meal 2 nights a week plus one extra night a fortnight equals X amount of reduction of maintenance. Is that what she wants to have a break? May be cheaper to get a babysitter.

If the children become rude, then I would ask their Dad to pick them up at 5.30, as per previous agreement if they think you are the problem.

Hard for both children, but if they cannot be polite to you, then I a, afraid I would not allow them in the home until their Dad is their to deal with them.

Their choice really, treat you with respect, have more time with you.

Oswin · 28/02/2021 18:21

[quote LouJ85]@Oswin
I don't agree that it's the "mother" who gets the brunt of the unavailability / change in contact arrangements. It's whoever is decided will be the resident parent.

In the case of myself and my ex, we both jointly decided that I would be RP, and he would have EOW and holiday contact. That was the arrangement that all parties agreed to and felt was most suitable at the time we split.

Therefore, by virtue of that agreement, that I wanted my DD with me most of the time, and so did he, I accepted more responsibility in the sense of, if he cancels his weekend for whatever reason, it's on me. If we'd made the decision for him to be RP at the time of our split, and I cancelled my weekend contact, it would have been him "picking up the slack".

As it happened, I never saw it as "picking up the slack". I wanted my girl with me as much as possible as her mum. But that's just me, like I say. [/quote]
Most people who agree to be the resident parent do so on the basis it means the child is with them more. Sometimes only ten percent more.
It doesnt mean that they are the only parent with the father as an optional extra.
So if your partners ex did get a job and sometimes needed your partner to do more would you be happy?

There is a tone of judgement that comes across in your last sentence. You may not agree but it reads like you think you are a better parent for wanting your child with you always. Do you judge fathers who dont want at least 50/50 care?

sandybeaches74 · 28/02/2021 18:22

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. In fact I have just stopped my daughter going to her dads on a specific day (not all the time) because he does nothing but ask his new fiancé to look after her. I'd rather have her, she's my child! So I don't understand the ex at all.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:22

@JustLyra my DP very much wants them. That’s why he’s trying to keep the long standing arrangement so he can actually spend time with them.
What’s the point in me babysitting them? It literally only benefits his ex.

OP posts:
LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:23

Have you had teenagers at home FT during the pandemic?

Oh yes, indeed I have!! Whilst working full time from home, and heavily pregnant to boot!

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:24

@LouJ85 you are a hero! Sounds hard!

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:25

@LouJ85

Have you had teenagers at home FT during the pandemic?

Oh yes, indeed I have!! Whilst working full time from home, and heavily pregnant to boot!

And yet you can't see why the woman might say she needs a break?
IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 28/02/2021 18:26

considering she has a minimum of 30 hours a week to herself when the kids are at school... actually probably closer to 40

And he gets twelve days less a couple of tea times so about 270/280 hours child free. Hardly comparable.

Nanny0gg · 28/02/2021 18:26

@B33Fr33

I do disagree that she isn't homeschooling secondary children? But I guess you're determined to be an all round "better" in your post. We've been doing a lot of supporting learning such as quadratic equations, organising sports day in French, news reports in Spanish, teaching physics and chemistry were OK but computer studies I found very challenging. In comparison tutoring my primary school children has been straightforward multiplication, division and usual stuff around literacy.
My DGC has had 100% online learning from school. Apart from ensuring they're up and in front of the screen their parent has had no input
SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:27

@JustLyra we all need a break. She’s still getting hers, in fact she’s getting more time because my DP is off until the evening on the Monday.
Her “time off” won’t be reduced by a single minute.

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Milliepossum · 28/02/2021 18:28

Doesn’t the ex have friends or relatives to ask favours from? I really don’t like the way she thinks the OP is a free resource.

Courtney555 · 28/02/2021 18:28

She can't be that shit if he's happy for her to have the kids for the majority of the time.

No one has said this at all. No one has called her a shit mother. What she is, is a lazy, entitled, bad mannered CF.

SpongebobNoPants · 28/02/2021 18:28

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss he also works full time. His time at work is not “free time”. His ex has free time in abundance and will again from 8th of March. Not really comparable is it? Slogging at work all day or sitting at home watching loose women...

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JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:29

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@JustLyra my DP very much wants them. That’s why he’s trying to keep the long standing arrangement so he can actually spend time with them.
What’s the point in me babysitting them? It literally only benefits his ex.[/quote]
There could be clear benefits to the kids - It keeps the kids in their routine. It makes them feel like your home is also their home. It stops them feeling like an unwanted inconvenience. It gets them away from the mother who apparently doesn't want them and stops them being in the middle of a conflict. Several of those things would also benefit your DH.

However, like I've said. You don't owe them anything so you don't have to.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:29

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@JustLyra we all need a break. She’s still getting hers, in fact she’s getting more time because my DP is off until the evening on the Monday.
Her “time off” won’t be reduced by a single minute.[/quote]
The poster I replied to was questioning why she needed a break at all hence my reply.

worried3012 · 28/02/2021 18:29

@JustLyra

The poor kids are currently in the middle of a situation where they know that no-one fucking wants them.

That's just appalling and everyone involved is kidding themselves if they think that will have no effect.

I'd agree with that and feel for the kids. This isn't the OP's fault, but the kids will be left knowing their mum and dad's partner are arguing over who gets to NOT have them and that must feel shit for them.

Still think the ex has only one option to change contact arrangements and that is to go to court for them to consider. She can't force anything without an order.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:30

@Courtney555

She can't be that shit if he's happy for her to have the kids for the majority of the time.

No one has said this at all. No one has called her a shit mother. What she is, is a lazy, entitled, bad mannered CF.

Of course she has been called a shit mother.

She's been called lazy, wanting to palm off her kids constantly, doesn't give a shit about their education amongst other things...

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:31

*Most people who agree to be the resident parent do so on the basis it means the child is with them more. Sometimes only ten percent more.
It doesnt mean that they are the only parent with the father as an optional extra.
So if your partners ex did get a job and sometimes needed your partner to do more would you be happy?

There is a tone of judgement that comes across in your last sentence. You may not agree but it reads like you think you are a better parent for wanting your child with you always. Do you judge fathers who dont want at least 50/50 care?*

I didn't say the father was an optional extra - I said I just got on with it when he was unable to have her, because I saw it as my role and my responsibility, and not only that, I actually wanted her around me as much as possible.

If my partner's ex got a job (highly, highly unlikely - she hasn't worked ever and the kids are now 13 & 10), yes of course my DP would do more care as and when needed - so long as it was jointly and respectfully discussed (as in - not "you WILL do this because I said", which is exactly how she speaks to him), and so long as there is no expectation that I'm the default back up babysitter, then yes of course that would be fine.

No, I don't think I'm a "better parent" for wanting my child with me more often - I think it makes me a different parent to a lot of RP mums that I read about on here and have come across in RL.

No, I don't judge fathers who don't want 50/50 care. Where are you getting that from? My own exDP doesn't and never has wanted 50/50 care. I said earlier it was my preference to have her with me more often - so why would I judge fathers who don't want this?

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:31

Bold fail!

@Oswin - see last post.

JustLyra · 28/02/2021 18:31

I'd agree with that and feel for the kids. This isn't the OP's fault, but the kids will be left knowing their mum and dad's partner are arguing over who gets to NOT have them and that must feel shit for them.

It's fucking horrible being that kid.

This will stick with them for a very long time.

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:32

[quote SpongebobNoPants]@LouJ85 you are a hero! Sounds hard![/quote]

Needs must! Grin

LouJ85 · 28/02/2021 18:33

And yet you can't see why the woman might say she needs a break?

Are you serious?
I said I've been working full time in a demanding job, throughout the pandemic, with my teen at home supporting her with homeschooling, whilst pregnant.

Has the exW in this scenario done that? Did I miss that?

No I can't see why she needs a break.