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Move from blended living to living apart together

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practicalcat5 · 17/11/2020 11:04

Name changed for this post.
Looking for any experiences of moving from living together as a blended family to living apart as 2 households again, and whether that worked for you? Or whether that was the end.
Have had 2.5 years of trying blended living with my two DC, my DP and his two DC - all between 10 and 13. It is has not been disastrous but it is still like 2 families in one house, and obviously many, many challenges. I would hate to live apart from DP but can’t help but wonder if it would lead to more overall happiness for the children. It would be financially very difficult though - and another upheaval for everyone.
It would be helpful to hear about anyone else’s experiences of similar?

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fleapriest · 17/02/2021 09:44

This thread has been so helpful.

We're in the midst of breaking up and me moving out as we are miles apart on parenting and the op who said it was like water torture has it spot on.

I love him though, which is the hard part just not the living situation.

How are you getting on op?

practicalcat5 · 17/02/2021 16:50

@fleapriest been doing lots of thinking and pretty sure now that I just can't go on living like this, but need to broach the subject and there never seems to be a good time. I've had some unrelated family issues recently which have meant I've not felt up to having these discussions yet.
I just think our parenting styles and expectations are too different - and there's years of this to go...
How are things working out for you? Are you able to continue the relationship?

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fleapriest · 17/02/2021 17:13

@practicalcat5 it's really difficult isn't it. We are in the process of splitting up, I can't move out until May because of financial reasons. It's awful at home at the moment, we're like two households under one roof.

It's not us that don't get on, it's the situation with the kids. His are 10 & 8. Mine are 12,10 & 8. His eldest has behavioural difficulties also which make it extra hard.

I've just written him a letter today asking if he'd consider staying together but living apart. I'll keep you updated with his response.

practicalcat5 · 17/02/2021 17:52

Oh @fleapriest that does sound hard. Being locked down altogether in that scenario must be even worse. I hope your letter helps. Keep posting if it helps. Good luck

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fleapriest · 18/02/2021 15:05

The letter helped, he understood my reasons and said he just wanted to be together so if that meant living apart until the children were older than that's what we'd do.

It doesn't really affect him as much though, financially he's very secure. He's going to stay in the same house and will have extra money once we move out.

For me and the kids, it's like starting again and we'll be living to a tight budget.

We'll see how it goes, I know I can't stay like it is though despite it being more viable financially.

It's so tough, I find myself comparing to other blended families and wondering how they work.

practicalcat5 · 18/02/2021 15:23

That's good to hear @fleapriest .

Can I ask how it went telling the kids, if you've done that already, and how you explained the move apart but staying together?

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LatentPhase · 18/02/2021 15:33

That’s positive, @fleapriest and speaks to the strength of your relationship. You must feel relieved. I’m not sure there’s any point in wondering how other blended families work.

In my case I feel sick as DP has really tried with his first family and to ‘put boundaries’ in place with his dd. I use inverted commas because they are truly my boundaries and not his, I feel. We are still mixing oil with water.

I’m going to have to tell him moving in is completely off the table. I’m upset. I hope my DP is understanding like yours, @fleapriest

practicalcat5 · 18/02/2021 15:44

@LatentPhase that sounds very tricky. I thought your DP had come round to seeing that lat was the better option. He's now tried to make changes so that you'll be happier blending?? That must make even harder for you

I agree not worth wondering how other blended families work @fleapriest - so many differences in what people have to cope with, how often and for how long.

Sounds like the most important thing for your DP is your relationship - that's very positive and like @LatentPhase says - must be a huge relief for you!

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LatentPhase · 18/02/2021 15:49

I don’t know, I just get the vibe that it’s all sort of unnatural, the stuff he is doing. It doesn’t change what’s underneath. And what’s underneath is a stale, stuck, dynamic. I’ll always be waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I just don’t have any emotional bandwidth.
Am having a generally difficult time with work and life (aren’t we all) and maybe this is colouring my view.

fleapriest · 18/02/2021 17:45

@LatentPhase that sounds really familiar. Dp was also using my boundaries but cannot sustain it for any period of time and is the classic disney dad. Doesn't help with his having behavioural difficulties (I work for Camhs so I have insight into what's caused this which also doesn't help) and there being no consequences or mixed messages regarding expectations of behaviour.

@practicalcat5 quite easy telling the kids actually, I explained to mine that I loved dp and he made me happy but the living situation didn't make everyone happy and we'd be moving out in the summer. We would still see them for days out and maybe holidays (hopefully not)

Their responses were really telling- all really happy and excited 😳 which drummed it home that I was doing the right thing for them.
Youngest was worried I'd be lonely and said I should do what's best for me (bless him, he's only 8 and so sensitive)

Time will tell if it was right for me and dp, and who knows in reality of our relationship can sustain going from seeing each other everyday to ad hoc moments. But I know it will be worth it for the relief I'll feel when I can do whatever I like with my kids, keep them up later if I choose to without having to justify why, not being on eggshells that his will kick off and just generally a more relaxed atmosphere. It will be tough for us financially and it will be a different lifestyle but better and easier overall.

LatentPhase · 18/02/2021 18:02

@fleapriest great that your dc reactions have been positive Smile Also interesting to hear your experience resonate re: boundaries.

My job role involves also a lot of rapid analysis of family dynamics and behaviours. It all sits uncomfortably.

DP has really tried. But in a paint-by-numbers fashion. And for that I love him.

But, to live autentically, we each need to be free to parent from the heart.

fleapriest · 18/02/2021 18:33

@LatentPhase that's exactly it- I need to parent freely and from the heart. That sums it up so much, I took it for granted before I met dp

LatentPhase · 18/02/2021 18:52

Interestingly, mine are about to turn 16 and 18.... so near, and yet so far, in terms of them having their own worlds/emerging independence yet needing stability during a very transitional time. Their dad has been quite chaotic since our marriage ended. I’m The Stability - like it or loathe it (and sometimes actually, I really do bloody resent it). So to compensate for that I feel I need to - Do Me. And have the freedom to parent creatively.

Perhaps when they are launched, or thereabouts, in around 6 years (?) maybe I can re-evaluate. By which time maybe I’ll be looking at focusing on me and maybe I’ll be even less keen!! Haha! Cats! When do I start buying cats!!

practicalcat5 · 19/02/2021 15:09

Glad it went ok telling the kids @fleapriest and, like you say, must have been reassuring confirmation you are doing the right thing by them.
Agree about the importance of parenting naturally and authentically and how it's so hard when you feel like you're walking on eggshells.

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LatentPhase · 20/02/2021 16:54

So DP and I had ‘the chat’ today. We are ‘unblending’. He is moving back to his house.

practicalcat5 · 20/02/2021 18:30

How did it go @LatentPhase - must be a relief for you to have done it? How did DP take it all?

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LatentPhase · 21/02/2021 09:28

The discussion was very frank and it was good to get stuff off my chest. Same for him. He hasn’t been happy either since ‘drawing a boundary’ with his dd.

The kids are all teens - they get on (in a high-days-and-holidays sense) and want us to go ahead and ‘build the extension’ but I said this is not about bricks/mortar it’s about relationships. And I have zero relationship with his dd as they have failed her, and that’s where we are at, five years in. It’s not workable.

He wants to have a home to see his son - totally fair enough. He wants to (pander to) see his dd. Fair enough. He can do his thing and I can do mine. Sad as I get on well with his son.

I just feel sad now. I think the segregation will possibly only solidify and might spell the end for us. I can’t help but think that if only divorced men knew the difference between parenting and babysitting. That’s what really annoys me.

But I know I can’t change the world and the patriarchy. I just have to focus on me and my dc.

Magda72 · 21/02/2021 10:47

Hi @LatentPhase - sorry to hear your situation has come to this but also happy for you if that makes any sense. Mind you the fact that one person (his dd) is allowed dictate the lives of everyone else - her brother, her father, you, your dc - is bonkers. But as you've always said it's always been bonkers.
I didn't realise your dc were that old (not sure how I missed that) but as someone whose dc are 24, 18 & 15 you will very soon see your own life coming back. Mine are still dependent (24 year old unemployed due to covid) but in a totally independent way (again if that makes sense). 24 year old is on jobseekers & is keeping body & soul together & 18 year old just getting on with his first year in uni albeit in very tough circumstances.
like you my exh has historically been 'flakey' & I've always been the emotional rock for my dc which is bloody hard, but I also see how me striving to make them independent has really paid off.
In a few years time you will be 'doing you' non stop & I would predict that this will become increasingly more obvious to your Dp. This may be no bad thing as seeing you moving on with your life as your dc gain more independence while he still babysits his dd might spur him on to finally change things. It's possible that as this stage he doesn't see her behaviour as the ridiculous thing it is because none of the other dc involved have moved into adulthood yet?

LatentPhase · 21/02/2021 12:40

Yes, that’s a good point, @Magda72. As the kids are all needing input. And particularly right now, both my dd’s were working but not right now, obviously. The current situation hides a multitude of sins.

He says he is going to continue working on his relationship with her. But that he doesn’t want to cut contact or be in bad terms. I’m of the opinion that sometimes conflict is healthy. Anyway, not my circus...

Maybe once his ds goes to uni. Maybe...

FishyFriday · 12/03/2021 10:44

This is a really interesting thread for me. This week I have proposed living apart during his contact times to my DH. I just don’t think I can do this any more.

So much of what people say here resonates with me. My DH’s other children are difficult in various ways. But the thing that makes it impossible is my husband’s attitude to them and everything else. He has an enormous sense of entitlement about them to the extent that he will not consider or care about the effects of his wants on anyone else. He wants me to facilitate (or just do) everything to accommodate his wants, but with no say in anything. Inevitably when they behave poorly, I end up scapegoated because it’s somehow my fault for doing what he asked/expected me to do. He transfers his annoyance at them on to me.

I hate how it affects me too. Like @LatentPhase, I have no emotional bandwidth. I’m burnt out. I try to withdraw and I’m in the wrong for being ‘separatist’ and ‘creating a weird atmosphere’. But interacting with them (and him with them) makes me so resentful. I’m always in the wrong and I feel that I have to (but fail to) protect my children from this crap. I’m at the point where even hearing their voices makes me feel physically sick. As does hearing the weird tone DH uses with them.

On top of all this, DH seems to require so much of my emotional and practical labour. In general and particularly with regards to his children. It dominates everything and drains me. It also causes him to neglect my needs - even at really big moments - and even to be horrible to me.

The thing is, he’s so inconsistent about his children. Both in parenting and emotionally. The ambivalence he feels about them drives so much of the dynamic. He feels like he should desperately miss them and adore being with them. So he performs to pretend this is the case. But actually he doesn’t enjoy spending time with them much (tbh, I can’t imagine anyone would with the way they’ve been allowed to become). And he prefers having time without them. But he then feels guilty about this. And it makes him act weirdly. He projects it all on to me (it’s me, and my fault, that they behaved badly and were rude and ungrateful all weekend). And he overcompensates by being even less willing to do anything about their behaviour and claiming that he is devastated that he misses them.

Added to all of this is his interfering ex. And he jumps to her tune. Then tries to hide this (from himself as much as anything) by projecting it on to me. Apparently my ex dominates everything that happens in this house and I’m scared to do things he doesn’t like. But my ex literally never comments on my parenting. And maybe we are just intrinsically on the same page about behaviour expectations. In contrast, last week his ex demanded he change something so (without so much as informing, never mind consulting, me) he rearranged the furniture in 5 rooms of the house (to a greater or lesser degree) and completely altered the dining arrangements. Then told me that he was ‘just trying something new’ and I ‘shouldn’t even have an opinion on that’. But it’s my ex that’s driving things. 🙄

I don’t see how I can ever win or be happy in this situation. I’m miserable and I don’t like what trying to live like this is doing to me. I don’t enjoy the feeling of dread or even revulsion at the thought of another weekend of this.

In the end, I do wonder if it’s a stepping stone to full separation. He won’t like being a PT dad to all his kids (we have a baby who will be coming with me). He’ll resent that I am with the baby all the time, and he will blame me for the situation (because I’m an inferior person who just can’t be an adult and cope with some kids). He’ll have to face the fact that he’s got no company or support for contact and he still doesn’t enjoy it. He’ll resent the fact that my son lives with me and the baby and is there when he’s at my house (he already resents him for being here more than his children). It’ll be my house too, so he will be the visitor not DS.

But I don’t see where else we could go. He is not going to change his attitude or come to terms with his ambivalence about his children.

In fact, a good example of his weird attitude to it all is that, when I told him I can do it no longer, his proposed solution was that we move abroad with the baby and leave the other kids with their other parents. Then he almost mocked me saying ‘but you wouldn’t be willing to do that’. In fact he claimed I needed to basically abandon DS to ‘prove you’re not weirdly obsessed’ with him. His actual words.

Yet he’s terrified his ex will stop him seeing his kids so he rearranges the furniture in our house to accommodate his ex’s wishes. And he needs constant sympathy that he doesn’t live with them all the time.

How is anyone supposed to navigate that?

aSofaNearYou · 12/03/2021 11:23

@FishyFriday I don't think anyone could blame you for separating from your partner, everything you've said about him in the last couple of weeks has been really appalling!

FishyFriday · 12/03/2021 11:32

Oh, I know it is @Magda72. It’s more amazing that he thinks he’s done nothing wrong. 😟

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 12/03/2021 12:08

My DP and I have been together 8 years and haven’t tried living together for exactly these reasons. A week on holiday in the early days was enough to show me how living together would be so we’ve kept separate houses. He visits at mine 3 nights a week and is generally considered to be part of my family.

I don’t see much of his DCs these days - he used to bring them over at weekends but they generally want to leave as soon as they get here - because of course I’m so unwelcoming and mean - so they don’t really come over now. I pop over to his occasionally in the evening but he doesn’t have a big enough bed for me to stay over, so it’s just easier to do it at mine.

Just lately I’ve been really sad about not having a shared life, and home together but reading this has reassured me that we’re doing the right thing. Oil and water nails it! His parenting is very much ‘friend based’. I’m pretty relaxed too to be fair, but I have certain expectations of my DC and I just couldn’t cope with two teenage girls who were not on the same page as me and my DC.

He’s been saying “things will look very different in 5-10 years” for the last 8 years, but - spoiler alert - things are not any different and they are unlikely to be any time soon! My eldest is 21 and still likely to be living at home for 3-4 years. His youngest is 13 so we’re still looking at 10 years at least before they’re all independent.

I need to settle in for the long haul as we are I think. It’s not so bad! Hope those of you trying to shift from living together to living apart can maintain the good parts of the relationship - I do wonder how they’ll be as dads of adult children - still indulging and coddling them? Will grandchildren cause similar issues? I know taking each day as it comes is a sensible approach, but what if I’m waiting for something that never comes?!

FishyFriday · 12/03/2021 14:39

It sounds like you have been very sensible indeed @MarkRuffaloCrumble. It’s still very hard though and you’re right that there is a worry that the promised pay off never comes. I think the important thing is to decide if you are happy now. If the answer is yes, then that fine. Maybe you’ll feel differently in the future, but you can only work with right now.

Among many irritating things my DH (not that he deserves that D) says is: it’a only like this til they’re teenagers and old enough that they won’t want to come. His youngest is 4. Even the most hopeful estimate there is another decade of this. I’ve actually told him you can kill someone and serve less time than that.

Then there’s the fact that it won’t miraculously be wonderful even if I can survive another decade of this. Only a fool would imagine that.

I have started thinking today that maybe I should tell him that I’m going with his plan and getting a job abroad. I’ll go with the baby and my son, and he can stay here on his own. And never join me. Because I’m not stupid enough to believe his nonsense about just leaving his older children. Nor do I think he’d be bearable if he did. He wouldn’t though. His stupid comments are just posturing and bravado, and an attempt to taunt me.

But I could go and have a lovely adventure and not be involved in this any more. I’ve even seen a great looking English speaking job in Scandinavia (received an email alert today) 😂 Maybe I should just go for it and put myself first for a change. Scandinavia is a great place to be a child too.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 19/03/2021 10:14

@FishyFriday

It sounds like you have been very sensible indeed *@MarkRuffaloCrumble*. It’s still very hard though and you’re right that there is a worry that the promised pay off never comes. I think the important thing is to decide if you are happy now. If the answer is yes, then that fine. Maybe you’ll feel differently in the future, but you can only work with right now.

Among many irritating things my DH (not that he deserves that D) says is: it’a only like this til they’re teenagers and old enough that they won’t want to come. His youngest is 4. Even the most hopeful estimate there is another decade of this. I’ve actually told him you can kill someone and serve less time than that.

Then there’s the fact that it won’t miraculously be wonderful even if I can survive another decade of this. Only a fool would imagine that.

I have started thinking today that maybe I should tell him that I’m going with his plan and getting a job abroad. I’ll go with the baby and my son, and he can stay here on his own. And never join me. Because I’m not stupid enough to believe his nonsense about just leaving his older children. Nor do I think he’d be bearable if he did. He wouldn’t though. His stupid comments are just posturing and bravado, and an attempt to taunt me.

But I could go and have a lovely adventure and not be involved in this any more. I’ve even seen a great looking English speaking job in Scandinavia (received an email alert today) 😂 Maybe I should just go for it and put myself first for a change. Scandinavia is a great place to be a child too.

Honestly I would! Waiting around for some mythical perfect times when all the stars align, when all the kids are happy and independent, money and work situations are stable and you feel like the two of you are on track, you’ll be able to get the unicorns help you with the packing!