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Being honest, would you be bothered about not seeing your SCs again if you and your partner split tomorrow?

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FlippidyFlop · 23/10/2020 13:39

Would you? I see this on here a lot when step children are being discussed 'you might not see them again if you and DH split tomorrow'

I just don't think I would personally. I get on perfectly well with them but it's just not something that would bother me if me and DH ever split.

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LatentPhase · 03/11/2020 09:00

very important thing for ‘show and tell’

LatentPhase · 03/11/2020 09:04

Cos the truth of it is being a WOHM is crucial but also brutal

We are a very long way from ‘it takes a village’

KarmaNoMore · 03/11/2020 09:20

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UnconvincingUsername · 03/11/2020 09:21

We change the world one employee/ one person/ one policy change at a time. And we don’t stop.

This is absolutely right. You don’t change everything overnight but you can, bit by bit, change the idea that women should be dependent on men, and that only women have family responsibilities.

But it does also mean that women have to accept that policies like not making them financially dependent on their ex through spousal maintenance are actually for the best. For them and their children.

doodleygirl · 03/11/2020 10:25

My experience of being a stepmum has been a good one, and nothing like so many threads on here. I have 2 DSC and my DH has one, my DD. We met when the kids were 11, 9 and 6 and we married 3 years after meeting. DSD moved in with us when she was 14. Don’t get me wrong it wasn’t all plain sailing but we are definitely a family unit.

My DD has a fab stepmum who split up with her dad about 8 years ago. DD still sees her regularly and she still comes to celebrations.

xsamix86 · 08/11/2020 00:59

I adore my DSS, and honestly couldn't imagine life without him. I would be as heartbroken to lose him as I would my DP. I do not see myself as his mother, but we are a family, just the same as he has a family with his DM and her DP. He is lucky he is loved by so many people. He is my DDs absolute favourite person in the whole world. We all look forward to Friday when we pick DSS up from school, and oftentimes he will ask for a movie night and snuggles with me on the sofa. We have a special bond, and I wouldn't give it up for the world. His DM is aware I take on a big role in caring for him, and she is happier knowing he is loved and secure even when he is not with her. I would have hated for him to grow up feeling he was not part of the family, or he couldn't rely on me when he needed someone outside of his parents. I had a shitty stepdad and I wouldn't wish the feelings I had on anyone!

Jroseforever · 08/11/2020 07:57

@WooMaWang

IME (and that of many posters on MN it seems), the DSC are anything other than ‘secondary’. Objectively, the resident children are often secondary during contact, which revolves around the DSC.

In our house this weekend we had my DS (11), the DSC (6 and 3) and our DS (12 weeks). As always, the primary consideration and deciding factor in everyone’s weekend was the DSC. The activities and meals were shaped around their interests and really difficult eating behaviour. The actual experience of the weekend was totally coloured by how the DSC behaved, and their father’s ongoing despair about both the behaviour and how it affects everyone else.

I have to work hard to make sure that my DS doesn’t get lost amidst the overwhelming focus on the DSC (after all, it’s his EOW too, even if he sleeps here 11/14 nights a week, rather than 5/14). Regardless of the fact that the DSC are here less often or are younger or whatever, he deserves not to have to spend his weekend in play parks with no equipment suitable for an older child or walking along behind the DSC as they go on their scooters. DH gets annoyed if we (my DS, our DS and me) don’t want to go along on outings (even if his choice of outing is scooters in the park), or if I plan something for DS that the DSC aren’t invited to. But making the whole family centre around the DSC is not fair, and he’s being selfish in prioritising his DC. And also in deciding that he’s too stressed from work so he can’t provide any sense of boundaries or discipline (which means every contact is totally overwhelmed by their behaviour).

Fairness in this family means that their behaviour has to be addressed. They need boundaries for themselves but, actually, it’s not fair to the other children if the DSC are allowed to run around screaming, or to hit them, or to steal their stuff, or to talk (or sing) through the tv programme they’re trying to watch, or to take so long to eat half a sandwich that there’s no time left to go somewhere they’d wanted to go, and so on. DS needs me to stand up for him, and I am not having the DSC treat the baby the way they treat each other. That’s not fair on him.

But equal treatment is hard because that requires their father to be consistent about boundaries and consequences (even if they mean he doesn’t get to do what he wants to do). It’s not fair that my DS loses screen time for things like leaving his light on (it’s an ongoing minor annoyance, and he’s been told more than once so he should stop doing it), while DSD can hit her brother, purposefully makes lunch miserable for everyone (disgusting eating, kicking the person next to her, taking 45 minutes to eat half a sandwich - with her favourite filling, making irritating high pitched humming noises, interrupting everyone when they speak with irrelevant stuff) and then rudely demands that she wants to go to the park (yesterdays sequence of events) and is taken to the park because her father is fed up being in the house and can’t be bothered with discipline on his time off work. As you can imagine, it’s hard for DS to feel like that’s in any way fair. Especially when going to the park with small children is not that appealing to an 11 year old anyway.

DH has admitted to me that, if he were single, he’d be a complete Disney dad (partly out of guilt but mostly out of laziness). He’d basically decide to ‘beat’ his ex by buying them everything and anything and taking them to things/on holidays all the time (he’s got more money so he’d ‘win’ 🙄) and he’d not bother in the least about their behaviour because it would only be him and he’d just ignore it (until he got really angry and shouty). There’d be no boundaries, love would be something to be bought and, when he got fed up with the rudeness and fighting and such like, there’d be lots of angry shouting. It would not be good for them (and I would imagine contact would dwindle as he got ever more fed up with the behaviour and embarrassed by them in public).

Thing is, it’s very hard to like (never mind love) a child who is allowed to consistently act like a brat and who makes every other weekend, one night every week and half the school holidays really hard work for everyone. It’s not really the 6 year old’s fault that she’s this way (although there is some element of personality involved in some of it), but it’s still hard to get past it when you find Friday afternoon approaching and you steel yourself for another weekend of behaviour you have absolutely no control over.

Meanwhile on MN you are lambasted for not adoring your DSC and centering your entire existence around them. Apparently it’s not enough to have welcomed the children into your home (without so much as a hello from them - they arrive and immediately demand to know what’s for dinner every single time), prepared and cooked meals for them (knowing that their dinner table behaviour will be atrocious and you’ll be losing the will you live), and organised an activity they’ll really enjoy. No. You must be an awful person and we should feel sorry for the DSC because you have detached and stepped back from any kind of parental role. And because, quite honestly, of course you wouldn’t miss all this if you split up with your husband. Who would possibly miss that?

Those ages? Completely and utterly normal that weekend would revolve around them.
minmooch · 08/11/2020 08:24

I'd be so upset not to see my adult step children. I get on very well with them, love them for being my partners children, and love them for themselves. I met them as adults, if that makes a difference, but we see them often.

My own children have a fabulous relationship with their step mother. And I loved knowing that when they were with their father they had that extra love from their step mother. My eldest son had cancer and died aged 18. During his illness, death, and afterwards my children's step mother was truly amazing. I had no partner at the time and we all pulled together.

I'm lucky I suppose that I am able to say that I love and respect my children's step mother, that our extended families get on very well and enjoy and respect each part has to play in all our lives.

Youseethethingis · 08/11/2020 09:05

Those ages? Completely and utterly normal that weekend would revolve around them.
But it would be abnormal for the posters weekend to revolve around her own 11 year old and 12 week old? Confused
If that’s not what you mean, I’m sorry to have misunderstood.

Magda72 · 08/11/2020 09:07

His DM is aware I take on a big role in caring for him, and she is happier knowing he is loved and secure even when he is not with her.
@xsamix86 - you have just given proof to what all the sm's who can't create decent bonds with sc's have been saying. The acceptance of the child's other parent of a sp in a child's life is crucial to bonds of care developing.
Yours is such a nice post & again I'll state - it's an awful shame the amount of women who refuse to give their dc 'permission' to like & bond with their sms all the while still trying to control their ex partners & what goes on in their houses via the kids.

Jroseforever · 08/11/2020 09:09

@Youseethethingis

Those ages? Completely and utterly normal that weekend would revolve around them. But it would be abnormal for the posters weekend to revolve around her own 11 year old and 12 week old? Confused If that’s not what you mean, I’m sorry to have misunderstood.
EOW!!
lilfoxfur · 08/11/2020 09:11

Yes I'd be bothered. We've been through a lot of drama over the years but I love them, and my ds10 ADORES them, to him they're just his brothers, he's grown up with them since he was 4. He'd be totally devastated so I'd like to think that Dh and I would have the maturity that even if we split, we'd still allow the boys to spend time together. But I would miss them too, in particular ss7 whom I've had in my life since he was just 13 months old. I do feel maternal towards him.

MagicSummer · 08/11/2020 09:14

I've never even thought of myself as a step-mother but suppose I am! DH's children are adult, but I really have nothing in common with them apart from their father. The whole family are from a completely different background from mine and I find it hard to find common ground - so NO!

Youseethethingis · 08/11/2020 10:11

EOW!!
As OP pointed out, it’s her EOW with her son too?

Ellapaella · 08/11/2020 10:53

I would. I've known my step daughter since she was 3 years old and she's a young adult now and sister to my two youngest children.
I feel towards her as I do towards my nieces and nephews, she's my husbands daughter and I care very deeply for her. I would be very upset if I never saw her again - I hope that in the very unlikely scenario that we did split up then I would still see her and she'd continue to be a part of my life.

Jroseforever · 08/11/2020 11:01

@Youseethethingis

EOW!! As OP pointed out, it’s her EOW with her son too?
What’s to stop her doing her own thing with her son rather than following partner and making it about his children?
KarmaNoMore · 08/11/2020 12:24

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Jroseforever · 08/11/2020 12:26

Well then that’s a whole different thread isn’t it? About a controlling and possibly abusive partner.

Not about step children

WooMaWang · 09/11/2020 07:41

@FlippidyFlop
Why should MY weekend with my son (because, yes, it my EOW with him too) revolve entirely around my DSC?

So my DS should have every weekend he’s with his mother revolve around the DSC? He should never get to eat the kind of food he likes because mealtimes must revolve around DSC who eat dreadfully? He can never get to watch what he wants to on tv because the DSC aren’t interested and will just scream and talk through it? He should just stand there in the park watching them play on equipment he’s too big for? Does he matter less because he’s 11 and stoic about it?

I can (even if it causes a fight) take him out on his own (albeit with a baby in tow). But should his experience of his own home be entirely shaped by the DSC’s wants and behaviour (unaddressed), other than on a couple of weeks nights (when he has homework etc anyway)?

Sure my DH needs to consider his children. And I do too. But there are other people in this house who are no less important than the DSC. Being (very nearly) 4 and 7 doesn’t mean everything must always centre around you.

YarToTheNar · 09/11/2020 10:12

Step children will always matter more than resident children to some posters.

SpongebobNoPants · 09/11/2020 14:36

@WooMaWang in your situation I would change the weekends I had DS. I would rather have 2 weekends a month of chaos and allow DP to do whatever he wanted with his kids which would also make it easier to remove yourself from the situation. Get DP to take the baby in the pushchair on their park/scooter trips and you can stay at home or do what you want for a bit on your own.

You’d also then have 2 weekend with just your own 2 children and you can focus activities for your older DS.

Also just be careful... if you split up with DP he’ll likely be the dickhead Disney dad he admitted he would be if you weren’t around, you don’t want that for your joint child 😩

WooMaWang · 09/11/2020 22:55

@SpongebobNoPants The Disney dad stuff is definitely something I wouldn’t want to put DS3 through.

I really wish it weren’t so dysfunctional with the DSC. It’s such hard work and there’s nothing I can do to change that.

SpongebobNoPants · 10/11/2020 06:03

@WooMaWang you can’t make your DP be a better parent, but you can minimise the impact on your on own DS. Switch the weekends so you can’t your DS can enjoy your time together without your SCs getting there.
Then let your DP do everything for his own kids on the weekends SCs are there, and if your DS isn’t there you can take a step back and you’ll relieve yourself of a tonne of stress,
It seems like the most logical solution.

I feel for you, I really do. It was like this in the beginning of my relationship with my DP except his kids were older than mine. Everything had to always revolve around them, they would demand, shout, argue or ignore their dad to get their own way.

After a while I just stopped seeing them because it was ruining the weekends with my own children. DP and I didn’t live together at the time so it was easier to avoid them, but he picked up on the fact I wouldn’t want to spend time with him whilst they were there.
One day he asked me outright if I was avoiding his kids and I calmly told him the truth. Not in a nasty way but I was very honest. It was no real surprise to him, he’s not an idiot and he knew his kids were badly behaved and rude but he just didn’t know how to change it.

Over time things have got so much better and after nearly 5 years together we bought a house and moved in. There are still times when his kids are here that I find it difficult to cope with their attitudes so I’ll take my 2 out for a bit, go to visit family or go shopping with them.

Don’t let your SCs behaviour ruin your DS’s time with you or make him feel he’s not as important as them.
Change your weekends with your DS so he doesn’t have to deal with it, it’s the most fair thing to do for everyone involved.

WooMaWang · 10/11/2020 10:38

You are right. I’m negotiating changes with my ex (who is quite rigid and struggles with change). It will be better when we get past the COVID stuff too because he’ll have busier weekends with his own stuff (swim meets are pretty regular and take all weekend). And he will organise to hang out with friends too because he’s at the age now where he just wants to do that most of the time. Plus I can suggest that DH visits him mum for regular weekends with the DSC too (DS3 can stay with me and avoid the weird favouritism there).

The thing is, DH can be a better parent to DS3. He does realise that his DC are horrors (although he would rather blame their mother than examine his own part in it). He has said that he doesn’t want DS3 to be like them and he recognises that he needs to not be exposed to lots of the DSC’s behaviours.

It is an uphill battle given what goes on elsewhere in the DSC’s lives (the very obvious favouritism of DSD from her mother and MIL is always going to be a problem) but it is possible for him to set expectations for them such that he can feel positive about them. I don’t find myself having to remind myself and everyone else that I love my children despite finding their behaviour intolerable and their personalities difficult (DS is getting a bit tweenage these days but he is fundamentally a nice kid who people can enjoy spending time with - and who will modify his behaviour when asked to). Surely you want to parent in such a way that you don’t need to feel ashamed of your own children? And so you don’t feel genuine dread about issues that drag out over years with no improvement.

malificent7 · 23/11/2020 00:10

I would miss mine..id be gutte even though i am not normally desperate to see her on a day to day basis but yes...i would be sad.
I would NOT want her to move in though!

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