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Being honest, would you be bothered about not seeing your SCs again if you and your partner split tomorrow?

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FlippidyFlop · 23/10/2020 13:39

Would you? I see this on here a lot when step children are being discussed 'you might not see them again if you and DH split tomorrow'

I just don't think I would personally. I get on perfectly well with them but it's just not something that would bother me if me and DH ever split.

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SBTLove · 31/10/2020 22:15

MN is contradictory when it comes to SM/DSC, they want the SM to love and accept the kids and bend over backwards to accommodate them BUT do not dare discipline them or have an opinion and are routinely role to butt out, mind your own business.
I’m not going to knock myself out for kids that I’ve to tiptoe around and worship in even measures.
They are children not gods.

TazMac · 31/10/2020 22:21

MN is contradictory when it comes to SM/DSC, they want the SM to love and accept the kids and bend over backwards to accommodate them BUT do not dare discipline them or have an opinion and are routinely role to butt out, mind your own business.

It usually comes down to money, in my experience. Step parents are expected to contribute financially but have no say in how things are done. There are a hell of a lot of demanding, entitled ex wives on MN.

Youseethethingis · 31/10/2020 22:36

@TazMac that’s definitely true in my case. DH told me his ex would go off her head if she ever found out the contents of my will (can’t imagine why he thought I’d care what she thought) in the hope that I would leave all my wordlies equally between DSD and DS, rather than focus on DS and give DSD a token gesture.
The same woman that would also go off her head if I ever bathed DSD, co slept with her, wiped her bum for her, collected her from school, disciplined in any way etc etc. I had to stand and listen as she reeled off a list before I was allowed to meet DSD. It made her feel better but I have never had any intention of doing any of DHs parenting for him, up to and including financial provision in death 🤷‍♀️

funinthesun19 · 31/10/2020 22:37

I certainly went in to my relationship with my ex with high hopes and ended up broken.

  1. Him
  2. His ex
  3. His family
  4. His child

I could have probably coped with 2,3 and 4 if number 1 was a wonderful supportive partner who had ambition for us all and worked hard. But he wasn’t. He also didn’t stand up to his ex or his family and let his first child be favoured by his family through the whole time we were together. He was spineless. So many other things too.
I was expected to smile sweetly and paper over every single crack he created. I did everything for his child too. I felt trapped with him and felt suffocated by him and everyone he came with.

Once I broke free from them all, I’ve been going through the come down from it all. I can reflect on what I’ve gone through over the past 10 years, and I feel like I’m going through PTSD. I think that while I was with him, I kept it all inside as a coping mechanism but I just felt like I was dying. Now I feel a lot of anger, extreme sadness, nervous all the time, and then I just feel completely empty and numb.

Because of him, being a stepmum was something I never truly enjoyed as much as I could have done and had the potential to.

But, because society is so misogynistic, it’s all my fault that I didn’t enjoy being a stepmum. No focus is placed on WHY, and who else may be responsible for those feelings. People just assume you’re a cold hearted witch for not thinking your stepchild is the best thing in the whole world.

feistyoneyouare · 31/10/2020 22:44

Children don’t need every adult in their life to adore them and centre their life around them.

This is so true and yet people (especially stepparents) who express it are so often vilified for doing so.

LyingDogsLie1 · 01/11/2020 12:13

[quote Youseethethingis]@TazMac that’s definitely true in my case. DH told me his ex would go off her head if she ever found out the contents of my will (can’t imagine why he thought I’d care what she thought) in the hope that I would leave all my wordlies equally between DSD and DS, rather than focus on DS and give DSD a token gesture.
The same woman that would also go off her head if I ever bathed DSD, co slept with her, wiped her bum for her, collected her from school, disciplined in any way etc etc. I had to stand and listen as she reeled off a list before I was allowed to meet DSD. It made her feel better but I have never had any intention of doing any of DHs parenting for him, up to and including financial provision in death 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
I don’t think there’s any need for even a token gesture - that token gesture is knocking off your child’s inheritance whilst by that logic your step children have the potential to inherit from 4 parents. Nothing fair and equal about that.

At what point did you OH think you’d be at all interested in how his EXDW would react on your death? You’d be dead. What’s it to you?

Emmie12345 · 01/11/2020 12:19

My dp’s ex wife definitely makes it harder for us in terms of his family by constantly going on about still being daughter in law etc

I have a close bond with my ex mil but I certainly stand aside and treat it subtly for my exh new partner as I want their unit to thrive

Fortunately we don’t live together so we have less pressure on us than we otherwise would . I get on v well with his kids despite the constant promoting by ex wife of the old family unit

Youseethethingis · 01/11/2020 13:17

@LyingDogsLie1
When I say a token gesture, I mean just that. Some nice bits of jewellery. For two reasons: I care enough about her to leave her something and I want it clear she wasn’t just forgotten about for her own sake as well as to stop her contesting my will if she had a mind to.

LyingDogsLie1 · 01/11/2020 13:20

@Youseethethingis
I understand, that’s of course your choice.

TazMac · 01/11/2020 17:18

My DSD won’t be getting much in my will. She is the only niece of a millionaire aunty who is also childfree (DP’s sister). So she will end up wealthier than my DD anyway.

It will be interesting to see what happens in DSDs family though - she has a half brother who doesn’t know his dad and isn’t related to DSD’s millionaire aunty. DSDs mother doesn’t have anything - lives in a council house and lives off benefits and part time work. So DSD will inherit millions from her Aunt and her half brother won’t inherit anything.

TazMac · 01/11/2020 17:22

Actually DD is also millionaire aunty’s niece, so I’m assuming she will get similar to DSD. I’ve never spoken to DP’s sister (obviously) about it. I feel sorry for DSD’s half brother though - although I’ve only met him twice and he definitely isn’t mine or DP’s responsibility.

VodselForDinner · 01/11/2020 18:01

@TazMac

Actually DD is also millionaire aunty’s niece, so I’m assuming she will get similar to DSD. I’ve never spoken to DP’s sister (obviously) about it. I feel sorry for DSD’s half brother though - although I’ve only met him twice and he definitely isn’t mine or DP’s responsibility.
Why are you assuming that either girl will get anything?

I’m in the same position as the aunt and have never discussed my will with my siblings.

TazMac · 01/11/2020 18:36

Why are you assuming that either girl will get anything?

Because DP’s mother said something to DP about it a while ago. I can’t remember exactly what was said.

TazMac · 01/11/2020 18:38

@VodselForDinner

Why are you assuming that DP’s sister will have exactly the same plans as you, just because you’re in a similar financial situation?

itsovernowthen · 01/11/2020 18:54

Wills bring forward a whole new set of issues in a blended family.

If I'd stayed with my DP long-term, I'm pretty sure he would have expected me to divide my assets (which would include my share of our house) equally between DD, DS and DSS (his son).

As I see it, DSS has his DM and his Dad to inherit from, whereas my DC have me and their Dad. The fact that DSS's DM is unlikely to have much to leave him (she recently moved to a council flat, and lived with her parents previously), doesn't mean I should make up the difference (my assets will be enough to either buy houses outright or provide my DC with substantial deposits for homes, depending on where they choose to live).

Magda72 · 02/11/2020 08:49

It usually comes down to money, in my experience. Step parents are expected to contribute financially but have no say in how things are done. There are a hell of a lot of demanding, entitled ex wives on MN.
I think this is a very interesting observation @TazMac.
I've said on here before (& I do genuinely believe it to be the case) that until women are actively encouraged to support themselves within family units or as separated parents we're all at nothing.
I'm not for one minute dissing sahmothers but I actually think it's a role that is extremely outdated & damaging for women as it leaves most women with no financial autonomy whatsoever & if a relationship breaks down & a woman has never supported herself financially then it stands to reason that her response will be "you've been supporting me for years so your money is still my money".
I think a lot of women find going into the workplace after years out of it terrifying & there is also an element of absolute ease in being a sahm (I've been both so I know) so why would/should you put yourself out & get a job?
I know so many women who gave up work to have kids & who then really struggle to get back to work once the kids are no longer fully dependent, & society promotes this with subtle (& unsubtle) ideas such as 'being a mother is the most important job you'll ever do', or 'your kids will suffer in childcare', or 'your partner's career is more important than yours', or 'you're old now to get a job'.
Children don't suffer from being in childcare, they suffer from being in bad, unsubsidised childcare. I'm actually quite envious of the Scandinavian model whereby all kids get decent, free childcare from an early age because mums are positively encouraged to get back to work & fathers are also given equal parental leave - dad's being actively encouraged to assist in the small baby stage & father/baby bonding being seen as a necessary thing.
I feel that most of the problematic dm's we hear from or read about on here are women who are not working; women who are still dependent on their exes for their day to day living & while yes, these women should get jobs to support themselves, I also think that society still tends to sanctify mothers martyring themselves for their children & that's a belief that still runs very deep in a lot of people's minds. Hence when another woman or children enters their exes lives thereby threatening their 'income' & status the shit hits the fan.
All I know is that I am hammering in to my 14 year old dd that she establishes a career/job for herself before she ever has kids & that she ensures that she can support herself if for whatever reason she was to find herself a single parent.

stout · 02/11/2020 13:18

@Magda72

It usually comes down to money, in my experience. Step parents are expected to contribute financially but have no say in how things are done. There are a hell of a lot of demanding, entitled ex wives on MN. I think this is a very interesting observation *@TazMac*. I've said on here before (& I do genuinely believe it to be the case) that until women are actively encouraged to support themselves within family units or as separated parents we're all at nothing. I'm not for one minute dissing sahmothers but I actually think it's a role that is extremely outdated & damaging for women as it leaves most women with no financial autonomy whatsoever & if a relationship breaks down & a woman has never supported herself financially then it stands to reason that her response will be "you've been supporting me for years so your money is still my money". I think a lot of women find going into the workplace after years out of it terrifying & there is also an element of absolute ease in being a sahm (I've been both so I know) so why would/should you put yourself out & get a job? I know so many women who gave up work to have kids & who then really struggle to get back to work once the kids are no longer fully dependent, & society promotes this with subtle (& unsubtle) ideas such as 'being a mother is the most important job you'll ever do', or 'your kids will suffer in childcare', or 'your partner's career is more important than yours', or 'you're old now to get a job'. Children don't suffer from being in childcare, they suffer from being in bad, unsubsidised childcare. I'm actually quite envious of the Scandinavian model whereby all kids get decent, free childcare from an early age because mums are positively encouraged to get back to work & fathers are also given equal parental leave - dad's being actively encouraged to assist in the small baby stage & father/baby bonding being seen as a necessary thing. I feel that most of the problematic dm's we hear from or read about on here are women who are not working; women who are still dependent on their exes for their day to day living & while yes, these women should get jobs to support themselves, I also think that society still tends to sanctify mothers martyring themselves for their children & that's a belief that still runs very deep in a lot of people's minds. Hence when another woman or children enters their exes lives thereby threatening their 'income' & status the shit hits the fan. All I know is that I am hammering in to my 14 year old dd that she establishes a career/job for herself before she ever has kids & that she ensures that she can support herself if for whatever reason she was to find herself a single parent.
Madga thats a really good post with some well made points (regardless of whether others agree with or not)

My ex is very much an entitled type. I happily pay maintenance and begrudgingly put in place a mesher order so the kids had a nice house to live in for the next few years. She lives in this house with her Cocklodger who doesnt pay a penny.

Despite all this shes difficult about access which blew up in her face with our eldest as he now lives with me.

From what I read on MN there's a perception (not on this board I may add) that nrp have it easy and face no financial burden. But it's actually trying to do the right thing that causes the burden and its not helped by entitled mothers

LyingDogsLie1 · 02/11/2020 14:19

Magda you are so right.

I have always been very clear in my mind that I want to be financially dependent and so I got to a point in my career that I thought would hold me in good stead before having a child.

I think as often as society encourages some see it as a convenient lifestyle choice that royally backfires.

UnconvincingUsername · 02/11/2020 16:37

I completely agree with you @Magda72. It’s all dreadful for women, and just lets men off the hook in relation to family life.

My parents are divorced (acrimoniously). For all her many faults, the key thing I learned from my mother is to never make myself financially dependent on a man (or anyone else). My dad screwed her over financially but she could still scrape through and support us because she had never given up working. I’m sure she’d have liked to stay at home with us but she never trusted my dad to support everyone.

When I split up with my ex, it was never about money. It meant I could move on, buy a house for my children and I and just get on with things. I’m not interested in his money.

DH’s ex was a SAHM. It doesn’t appear that he was fully on board with that, but she was determined never to work again. She still is. And she was so angry when she discovered that the law didn’t expect him to buy her a house and pay for her forevermore after a marriage that failed within 2 years (and ended with her adultery). She still doesn’t want to work and unilaterally pulled out of 50-50 residency (which actually cost DH more in childcare costs than maintenance does) because she (a) wanted the maintenance money and (b) couldn’t find a way to justify not working when she would only have needed to cover two afternoons and two mornings of childcare a week (and could have covered her half of the holidays with annual leave). In her own worlds: she doesn’t work. But she wants the entire world to pay for her regardless.

The flip side of it all is that when the UC people force her back to work, she’ll have much higher childcare costs and she’s destroyed any possible goodwill she might have had if she wants help with that.

For all the problems with the DSC, I can at least show DSD that women can work and have a family. Her mother has tried to brainwash her into thinking that women can’t be mummies and have jobs. When DSD insists on this, DH does point out that I am a mother of 3 and I have a (pretty good) job.

I’m also raising my sons to understand that it’s not a good idea to allow another adult to become dependent upon you. Especially for that other adult. What they need to do is absolutely pull their weight in life so that they contribute at home and don’t leave it to their partners.

melaniacholy · 02/11/2020 17:27

@Readandwalk

How would it work for non adult SC then? Me ringing up their mother who've I never met and saying can I take your children to my new home? No I no longer see their father. Yes I know they already have two homes but can I add to that, with your permission by having them stay at my home once a week. As a non relative with no relationship to either parent.

See it's really really messy.

Exactly this.

My DSD was conceived during an FWB arrangement - DH and DSD's DM were never in a relationship together. DH was engaged to his exGF previously to meeting me and our subsequent marriage, with a relationship lasting from when DSD was a baby until around 5. DH's ex was understandably super attached to DSD - a very cute baby / toddler at that time - and did naturally undertake a maternal role with such a young child.

BUT, DH and his ex split when DSD was 5. DH knew at that time he was likely to date again. So what do you do? DH's ex wanted to maintain a relationship with DSD, and DSD also wanted to see her - she was only 5 and they had a strong bond. But both DH and DSD's DM both agreed this would be confusing in the long term for DSD, once DH met someone else / had other relationships.

Similarly, DSD's DM was engaged until last year - her DP taking on a step-father role and living with DSD for a number of years. Again, now that they have split, contact has been cut between him and DSD - not necessarily at the choice of the step-father, or DSD.

It's unfortunate, but right that it's way too messy in most cases for step-parents or acting step-parents to maintain contact with their child DSCs, regardless of strength of feeling - and realistically it's not up to them anyway.

For my part, if DH and I divorced, I would not expect to maintain a relationship with DSD - much as I would still like to know how she is / what she's doing.

In terms of our relationship, I try very hard not to 'parent' - she has a mother and a father already and doesn't need me butting in, I very much try to respect that she already has a mother, which helps avoid conflict between me and her DM. So I don't do parents nights / hardcore discipline etc. But, she does live with me and DH 50%, so I do organise fun family activities / family dinner chats / advice / cuddles / love you & love you too's, and I do feel comfortable chastising her or setting rules in my home without necessarily consulting DH. If DH and I separated and she initiated further contact when she's a bit older and had more choice, I'd be delighted to see her and would never turn her away if she needed something.

For those without step-children - would you expect to still see your mother in law, or father in law, after separating with DH? Or nieces and nephews on DH's side? If you couldn't, would you be sad, or completely devastated / heartbroken? On marriage, they become your family too - much like step-children.

I'd expect it's not like losing contact with your own child - more like losing contact with an in-law that you have a particularly close relationship with. Quite sad, but expected on separation with DH, and most of the time for the best for all parties moving forward.

As a final point - I consider my DSD my DSD, but I don't have the strength of feeling for her that I would for my own biological child - I think that's likely to be vilified here, but quite natural. It doesn't at all mean I don't care for her.

Likewise, I'm sure she sees me as DSM - she likes / loves me, but not remotely close to the equivalent strength of love she feels for her DM. Again, natural!

LatentPhase · 02/11/2020 19:21

Very good points raised by @Magda72

The fact that being ‘mum’ doesn’t define me, I’m secure emotionally and expect my kids to be nothing but respectful to my exH’s new girlfriend. I never put that down to having a fulfilling career in addition to motherhood. Perhaps that’s key.

  1. The sanctity of martyring ones self to ones kids as a mother (which I feel is behind some of the vilifying of stepmums on MN).
  1. Having scant parenting influence/accountability, as a father (irrespective of financial contribution).

These are dynamics which act like spokes in the wheels of stepfamilies.

sassbott · 02/11/2020 21:24

Oh good lord. If people were crying for the poor children when they saw this thread before. Heads are now imploding in indignation! Pmsl.

I’ve made these exact same points many times. Vast step changes are required in society to ensure that when children arrive, both parents take an equal hand in child rearing enabling both parents to remain in the workforce. It’s so important for women to remain in work - flexibly, part time, fulltime if needs be.

I have always worked since having my children, to the judgement of many other women. Women who actively judged me for my choices as they made the decision to be SAHM’s.

Without my job, my financial independence I could not have moved forward with my divorce when I found out my exh cheated. My divorce was not about money, as I was fortunate enough to be able to look after myself and my children when they’re with me. No spousal or cm (due to near equal contact arrangements) here.

I could not imagine a world where I was wholly reliant on the money of an ex husband. Hideous situation.

stout · 02/11/2020 22:34

@sassbott

Oh good lord. If people were crying for the poor children when they saw this thread before. Heads are now imploding in indignation! Pmsl.

I’ve made these exact same points many times. Vast step changes are required in society to ensure that when children arrive, both parents take an equal hand in child rearing enabling both parents to remain in the workforce. It’s so important for women to remain in work - flexibly, part time, fulltime if needs be.

I have always worked since having my children, to the judgement of many other women. Women who actively judged me for my choices as they made the decision to be SAHM’s.

Without my job, my financial independence I could not have moved forward with my divorce when I found out my exh cheated. My divorce was not about money, as I was fortunate enough to be able to look after myself and my children when they’re with me. No spousal or cm (due to near equal contact arrangements) here.

I could not imagine a world where I was wholly reliant on the money of an ex husband. Hideous situation.

Equality in the workplace and equailty in family law..... as if
sassbott · 03/11/2020 08:34

Well we have to try. The more women who stay in the workplace and push flexible working, part time working, recognition of childcare responsibilities (for both men and women), we can make changes.

I am about to employ a mum, who wants a 4 day week - zero issues for me. To me, it’s more important that I keep that woman on the career track while she has a young child (and possibly more children). We change the world one employee/ one person/ one policy change at a time. And we don’t stop.

I’m also hearing that the younger judges starting to come through the ranks are much more ‘modern’ on their views. Especially regarding spousal support. The old school (white male judges) won’t be around forever.

LatentPhase · 03/11/2020 08:59

Totally agree with @sassbott

I employ women with young children and take into account their very particular needs (among them: by the time they get to work at 9am they have already done half a days work juggling kids and book bags and PE kits and gone back home to grab the very important thing for and tell that got forgotten).

Only when we walk the walk can we say we are sticking up for our women.

We change the world one woman at a time.