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Situation with ExH

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badgerread · 11/09/2017 10:30

Always had a good co parenting relationship with ExH. Split 7.5 years ago. Quick online divorce in April 2012. Split equity etc. I’ve had a new DP for 5 years although we don’t live together.

ExH moved 130 miles away to be with his new DP and her 4DC in January 2016 and since then our relationship has completely gone to pot. He has reduced his maintenance to the CSA (ok, fair enough, but this wasn't what was agreed when we split) stopped contributing to school fees, stopped attending parents evenings, plays ets as, ‘she thinks he should make his own appointments’, doesn’t call our children, or show much interest, on his weekends doesn’t take our children to their activities or parties as she insists he takes them back to theirs.

It has got to the stage where we no longer speak and the atmosphere on the doorstep at collection /drop off is awful. When she is not around we are civil to each other and have a conversation. She insists on being at every collection and drop off, albeit in the car, so that he no can longer pop in for a coffee and catch up re the children. He has admitted she is jealous and insecure about me but there is no reason for her to be. It has got really nasty over email and text. I know he needs to stand up to her and grow a pair but I can’t help blaming her. She has caused this shift in our set up. It was fine before she stared throwing her weight around. He has blocked my mobile and will 'no longer answer emails', so how am I meant to make arrangements?!

My DP has 2DC with his ex and they co parent as we did previously and I have absolutely no problem with it, surely it’s about the children and their needs?

It makes me feel so down and upset for the children that it has come to this.

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swingofthings · 21/09/2017 06:39

Flippin eck swing, why on earth did his dad do that? It's beyond comprehension
Yet he would think anything wrong and nor would his partner. My ex is not an unkind person, he is just totally self-centered. His partner is too. Their view would have been that it was my decision to sign up to this activity, so it was my responsibility to take him/bring him back.

When I read the OP, I saw a lot of things in common, hence my reaction. Thank God not all nrp and sm are like that, but some are and they don't think they are doing anything wrong and genuinely don't understand why their children feel rejected.

I am angry because I don't and never have hated my ex. Deep inside, he is actually very caring and I know he loves our son and am sure feeling miserable about the situation, but he suffers from a victim syndrome, convincing that everything that is wrong is other's fault, and never prepared to make an effort to be the one to tackle it. He buries his head in the sand and expect others to make everything better for him.

I am exactly the opposite, so it is incomprehensible to me that he wouldn't just come here and demand to speak with DS to sort it out. If he did, I would support him 100%, but he doesn't, instead feels sorry for himself and if I approached him about him, I am pretty certain he would say that it was my fault and I'm the one who should be sorting DS out.

You can't change some people, and my responsibility is to my DS, so I just focus my attention to make sure that despite this, he is ok in himself. At the moment he not only is, but as said, seems much happier since he made the decision.

swingofthings · 21/09/2017 06:47

justtiredofcoping, that's terrible. Ex did exactly the same. Thankfully, the kids were still little then and believed his sob story. I am lucky that they are not envious children so never felt jealous/envious of their ss and same the other way around, her children are lovely.

It made me feel so frustrated that he was giving me all the speech about how he had a new family and wanted the children to be part of it, but when it came to going on holiday, he conveniently forgot about it.

Indeed, it's ex's like this that wind up rps and unfortunately, I don't think it's that rare going by the single parents I've met since I had the kids (which by the way includes a resident dad whose Ex wife acted exactly the same, so I don't think it is gender specific).

OllyBJolly · 21/09/2017 07:13

It does have a lot to do with his new DP I'm afraid. Even he has admitted that

Of course he has. It's easier to blame someone else. My X always blamed his new DP for not being able to pay, cancelling visits etc.

The responsibility for his children sits squarely on is shoulders. Don't collude with him in scapegoating his NP. I don't see anything that suggests the NP is acting unreasonably at all. The OP's X has moved 130 miles away (and that was his decision to do so) and it would be very difficult to attend school things etc. The football thing is sad for the kids, but unfair to cut down on access time with their DF. Sadly that's just the way it is for most split families.

The school fees and cutting maintenance were unfair, but we can only assume it was his decision to go ahead with that, not his NP's.

Dancinggoat · 21/09/2017 07:30

I can totally see why you're upset.
Choosing to send your child privately was a joint decision with a long term commitment. It wasn't just your decision.
Him not communicating with you tells the kids he's not interested in their lives.
Him not talking to you and being awkward will make them feel very uncomfortable and stuck in the middle.
Not talking to them between visits means the closeness will disappear. A close parent and child relationship needs to be nurtured.
Not being able to contact him if there's an emergency is worrying but also tells the kids he's not worried about them.
His behaviour teaches your kids what is a normal way to behave. This is not how you would like them to grow up thinking is the norm and possibly emulate it in their life.
The list is endless on why his behaviour is not acceptable.
May be you should compile a list and ask him if he disagree with any of it.

swingofthings · 21/09/2017 10:16

The responsibility for his children sits squarely on is shoulders. Don't collude with him in scapegoating his NP.

I would say that in theory, this is absolutely correct, in practice not always. I think in some case, sm can put a lot of emotional pressure on the nrp who feels cornered between his children from a first marriage and his new partner.

My OH has a friend who is finding himself in exactly that situation and is totally lost as to what to do (he's asking my OH as it's the only man he knows with scs, but I don't think my OH is best to talk to about this!). He was single for 5 years after separating amicably with his ex wife. They remained on good terms and he saw the children every week-end. He was a very involved, flexible dad and it was all going well for his ex, him and the kids.

He then met his new partner and was over the moon as he had been starting to suffer from loneliness and desperately wanted that family life again. At first everything was great. She was fun, pretty, independent, and a great mum to her two DDs. They decided to wait for them to meet the kids but by the time they did, they were already very much in love. It didn't go as well as they'd hope as their children are very different and it became clear they had different views on how to raise children. They chose to ignore it though and pretended all was fine and convince themselves all would just get better with time. He ignore the constant little comments she made about his kids, the fact that she used to get grumpy when he went to parents evenings with his ex and things like that.

They'd talked about getting married and maybe having a kid together, but he wanted to take things slowly until she announced that she was pregnant. He was taken aback as she was supposedly on the pill, but still very much in love with her, he was over the moon. Things were ok until the baby was born and all of a sudden, she decided that she wasn't happy with his kids being there every week-end as she needed time with him and the baby alone and that it would work better if it was every other week-ends when her kids were not with their dad, that he shouldn't be going to parents evenings with his ex any longer but arrange a separate time to go on his own or with her, and that now they had a baby and she had decided to become a SAHM, he would need to cut down maintenance but also the special treats he gave his kids.

The baby is now 8 months old and my OH friend is very very unhappy. He feels emotionally blackmailed to push his first kids away and he is exhausted trying to argue that he doesn't want to do that. He has been considering leaving her, but he is devastated at the prospect as first he still loves her, and second he feels this would be a massive step back with yet another ex and child, and still not the family he wants.

I personally think that he will go along with her demands as ultimately, this is the easiest solution and hope that his kids will accept it and not feel it as a rejection. My OH has told him to be careful as they are entering teenage years and told him about my DS and his relationship with his dad. I feel for the guy. I feel that his new partner has manipulated him from the start, but I'm probably biased. I still think that she should have made her demands clear before deciding to have a baby with him.

So yes, I do think the onus is not the nrp to decide what to do for best, I think that some just feel that they are doomed if they do and doomed if they don't.

badgerread · 21/09/2017 10:20

Olly - I am not asking them to 'cut down on access with their DF' I am asking him to take them and spend time watching them!

My DS13 gets texts from his DF saying things like, 'I've just taken DP's son to football'. When he can't even be bothered to do the same 2 mornings a month for his own son?

As pp have said (thanks swing especially for all your responses) their feelings when you have to pick up the pieces. It breaks my heart. DS13 is now getting to the stage he doesn't want to go. I do encourage him to go but I don't know for how much longer. I go to football every weekend whether it's mine or not. Does my DP mind? No he doesn't.

ExH is with his new family every day bar 4 days a month. Surely he can focus entirely on his own DC for that time??

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badgerread · 21/09/2017 10:20

Olly - I am not asking them to 'cut down on access with their DF' I am asking him to take them and spend time watching them!

My DS13 gets texts from his DF saying things like, 'I've just taken DP's son to football'. When he can't even be bothered to do the same 2 mornings a month for his own son?

As pp have said (thanks swing especially for all your responses) their feelings when you have to pick up the pieces. It breaks my heart. DS13 is now getting to the stage he doesn't want to go. I do encourage him to go but I don't know for how much longer. I go to football every weekend whether it's mine or not. Does my DP mind? No he doesn't.

ExH is with his new family every day bar 4 days a month. Surely he can focus entirely on his own DC for that time??

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badgerread · 21/09/2017 10:30

Sorry. Should have said football.every weekend, where possible. The point is surely it's about putting the DC first? Especially when it's only 4 days per month. Stay at his parents on the Friday night. Take the kids to football Saturday then drive up to DP? DC get DF to themselves for a bit. Do their activity. Then get new family time. Sorted?!

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Bananasinpyjamas11 · 21/09/2017 13:47

ExH is with his new family every day bar 4 days a month. Surely he can focus entirely on his own DC for that time??

It's not up to you to say that he should not be with his NP and his kids for two weekends a month! That is completely unreasonable. You must see that.

badgerread · 21/09/2017 15:42

No I don't see that?

He is with them for 26 days a month yet cannot give up 4 of them to commit to his own DC? It's not even 4 actually. It would work out as 1. Two mornings a month to watch his DC at their activities, something that he does on his weekends with his DP's DS, then he could drive the 130 miles to his.

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Bananasinpyjamas11 · 21/09/2017 16:10

It's not up to you!

It's his life, he sees his kids in his own home. What the hell is wrong with that?

How is having your own kids in your own home with his NP and step siblings anything to do with you?

You are being nasty and controlling if you are slagging him and NP off for not seeing the kids in a way that you approve, which is away from his home and his life. Not nice.

swingofthings · 21/09/2017 16:35

What is wrong is that it is what he wants not what his kids want. Maybe badgerread would prefer to stay home weekend mornings and do nothing than take her son to football but that's not what would make him happy.

Why is it that rp are expected to respond to their kids needs and desires but in the case of nrp it's the kids who are expected to respond to the parent needs and desires?

OP has said that her son is closed to deciding not go and see his dad anymore yet all he's got to say is how he is doing with his step children what her son wish he dis with him. Great dad indeed!

Bananasinpyjamas11 · 21/09/2017 16:38

So the kids don't want to be part of Dads life. Never want to get to know step siblings. Or be part of their father's home.

So next time a step mum comes on here and refuses to let the kids in their home. That's best for the kids?!

There is no way anyone can defend this position.

swingofthings · 21/09/2017 16:41

Perfect example DD has just reminded me it's parents evening tonight. I really really don't want to go I don't fell great and I don't really need to say or hear as DD tells me everything I need and she's getting too marks. Still she asked me to go probably because her teachers expect it or because they'll have great things to say about her and of course she wants me to hear it.

So I'll go to be a good much but according to you it's absolutely fine that her father shouldn't go if he doesn't want want and that doesn't make him any less a good dad.
The thing is he has never bothered so DD has long stopped even thinking of mentioning it to him yet he thinks he has a right to know her grades and her plans for the future and gets annoyed when she doesn't tell him. Talk about wanting it both ways!

swingofthings · 21/09/2017 16:49

DS doesn't wamy to be part of his life because he has never shown any interest in his life. He misses his little -half- sister though and as asked if he could see her at his parents. His step siblings have moved out and they were never very close but no issues with them at all and he would be pleased to see them.

Just to be clear I've done everything to encourage him to go and did so reluctantly for probably a year but got very stressed about it and started to come with excuses until he told me he really didn't want to go anymore. As said he seems so much happier since. So whose at fault Banana if not his dad? Are you saying that it is mine? Or my son for not going anymore even though he was unhappy and stressed when he did.

badgerread · 21/09/2017 17:03

FGS banana you don't get it do you??

IT IS TWO MORNINGS A MONTH!

The rest of his weekends and school holidays they are at his house. If it's so important for her and her kids to be involved why don't they all come down as well? Meaning they all see each other and are involved in the football watching!

Is it really such a huge ask that our DC have their DF around for two mornings a week?? If new DP feels left out take her along too!

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Bananasinpyjamas11 · 21/09/2017 20:54

Neither do you OP. None of your business and not your position to say.

I'm sorry at first I had some sympathy, especially over the money aspect.

But now you are shouting like a controlling and jealous Ex wife who still has first call on her ex husband. You don't. He wants to bring his kids to his house.

What is your problem? It's the new partners and his house. That is your problem and it's mean of you to be emotionally blackmailing him in this way. It's not about the kids, they need a mum who lets them know that going to daddy's house with his new partner is ok.

It's no wonder step Mums have such a hard time!

justtiredofcoping · 21/09/2017 21:07

OP - we get it!!
My Exs DP phoned me up to let me know the 6 weekends per year, with a years notice, that I needed to work were inconvenient, they were not my free child care and I could not expect them to cave in to their demands - it was disrupting the new family life.

He managed 3 /6 - I took them to work with me, he picked them up on Saturday morning and by Sunday lunchtime, they were dumped back at work with me.

That was the sum total of ON they had in a year - because it was too much for her to cope with - her words.

badgerread · 21/09/2017 21:11

I have no problem with his new house, his DP, her kids, their set up. I am not jealous of them in the slightest. Far from it. I don't think I have first call. I don't want to have first call. How am I emotionally blackmailing him? Have you read my pp's? Our DS13 doesn't really want to go there anymore and I am the one who has to encourage him?! so how is that not letting him know it's ok to go to his DF's house?!

His DC want him to watch them play football on a Saturday morning every other weekend, as he does with his DP's DS. Is that really too much to ask? Surely it's not about what HE wants, it's about what the DC want?

It's no wonder DM's have such a hard time!!

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badgerread · 21/09/2017 21:15

justtired - aaarghhhhhhhhhh!!

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SonicBoomBoom · 21/09/2017 22:53

Don't bother, badger, there's no pleasing some people.

ohreallyohreallyoh · 22/09/2017 07:24

So...if as resident parent, my child wants to attend football, it is up to me to facilitate that in its entirety? My weekends with my children are not as precious as those weekends my ex spends with them? Are you comfortable with the notion that kids all over the country don't get to do activities because spending time with their parents is important?

Frouby · 22/09/2017 07:38

Ahh OP.

He sounds a dick. Eventually the contact will fizzle out. Your older DS will want to spend his saturdays doing football. Your younger one will decide he only wants to go with his brother. Friday to sunday will drop to saturday to sunday etc.

There is nothing you can do. Nothing that will get your ex to change unless he splits with his new dp.

Just let it play out. It is not your job to facilitate a relationship between your ds's and their df. It's his job and what he reaps he will sow. Have seen it with my dsis and her boys and with my dd and her df. She is also 13 and hasn't seen him since March.

It's his loss. He won't see that tho. It will be your fault no matter what you do.

GeorgeTheHamster · 22/09/2017 08:08

He's in the wrong. He's weak, he's spineless, he's not putting his kids first.

But crucially, you cannot make him. You have to assume he will do very little and crack on and make it as good as you can for the kids. If you can't afford private school fees without him then they will have to move (or not start private secondary in the case of the younger one).

You cannot make him be a good dad - all you can do is save your sanity by stopping thinking about how to.

No, it makes no sense. But it's how it is. He's now a shitbag, even if he wasn't in the past.

badgerread · 22/09/2017 09:17

You're right George. I just can't get my head round the fact he doesn't WANT to contribute to the school fees or watch their activities, I can't fathom it. I can't change that. As long as I am doing the best job I can and they are happy, that's all that matters.

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