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SS challenges our plans regarding "flexible visiting arrangements" - please help

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Petal02 · 09/05/2011 09:07

I?d really like your thoughts/advice on the events of the last 48 hrs.

It was all going really well; SS came to us on Weds for his midweek night, and was then back for the weekend, but we?ve been sensible and decided to pick him up on Sat morning, take him home at 6pm on Sunday, as a ?weekend? is Saturday/Sunday to most people. Everyone seemed relaxed, and yesterday I commented to DH that I was going to sit down with SS and the calendar, and work out some visiting dates for the next two weeks. DH was fine about it.

I proposed dates which basically meant alternate weekends plus a midweek night, although the midweek night was a Tues instead of a Weds on one occasion, and also weekends now run from Sat to Sun, rather than Thurs to Sun (we used to class Thurs as the midweek night if it was an access weekend). I thought SS would be happy with this, as it didn?t constitute any less access, just ?little and often? rather than the Thurs-Sun marathons.

But SS kept reiterating he wanted to go back to the rota, and couldn?t see any reason why we should be flexible. I responded that flexibility was the best way forward, given he?s now left school (he left on Friday ? although he?s likely to go to 6th form in Sept). It was a calm conversation, no raised voices, however we didn?t reach agreement. So SS seeks out DH, and tells him he?s not happy. DH tells SS he?ll think about it. I speak to DH, DH confirms SS is not happy, and promises to speak to him about it. I ask DH if he?s going to back down, DH says no, but that it needs to be handled delicately.

I then go out for an hour, knowing that discussions will take place in my absence. I get home to find there?s a definite atmosphere. So DH takes SS back home at 6pm and when he got back I asked him what happened. He said he hadn?t backed down (phew), and has told SS to ?give flexibility a go? and that after a few months if SS still isn?t happy, we can talk about it again ??.. fair enough, but I could tell DH was upset. He went on to say that SS hates change, that he?d had the rug pulled from under him when his parents split up, and that we need to tread very carefully. I replied carefully (not raising my voice) and said that whilst I took DH?s comments on board, we?re not creating huge changes for SS (it?s not like there?s a new school, new house, new baby to contend with), its only changing days, not reducing time. Also, (as I keep saying) SS is nearly 17, and he?s just left school. Surely he shouldn?t be quite so fragile? And, it?s 7 years since DH split with his ex ? just how long is DH supposed to continue with guilt parenting and compensatory behaviour??????

DH did concede that maybe he should make more efforts to promote flexibly by suggesting ad-hoc golf/pizza etc outside of planned visits. I?m fully in favour of this, it would bring about a more ?grown up? relationship with SS/DH, rather than the present childlike situation.

So whilst DH, to his credit, stood firm when challenged, it?s made me realise how shaky all this is. DH actually has quite similar views to me, regarding how things should be with someone of SS's age, but it?s clear that the execution of these plans, and the fear of upsetting SS, really troubles him.

Thoughts please.

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mathanxiety · 18/05/2011 16:29

FGS, Didyouever, the man makes his own teenage son cups of tea and treats him like a guest in his own home, clearly against the wishes of his wife (Petal). Presumably Petal is expected to treat the boy like visiting royalty in her own home too. He and the boy have little private tete-a-tete sessions where Petal is excluded.

He's a useless lump when it comes to parenting and not much better from the pov of managing a blended family relationship.

mathanxiety · 18/05/2011 16:30

It's Petal's own words that I have summed up.

glasscompletelybroken · 18/05/2011 16:42

I rest my case!

Petal02 · 18/05/2011 16:51

Me too!

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yoshiLunk · 18/05/2011 17:06

simply put

mathanxiety · 18/05/2011 17:11

So nothing is to be done except a lot of blaming and finger pointing (and presumably the making of tea for the DSS will continue?)

glasscompletelybroken · 18/05/2011 17:13

Yawn....

yoshiLunk · 18/05/2011 17:14

FGS mathanxiety LEAVE IT !!

mathanxiety · 18/05/2011 17:22

Glad to.

Wishing the boy well. He deserves better than he has by way of a father.

Didyouever · 18/05/2011 17:26

I make my teenager drinks, dinner and wash his clothes.

My parents did that for me and still would and do when required.

And I was a nightmare as a teenager.

I think we all should have therapy.

allnewtaketwo · 18/05/2011 20:00

You make your teenager drinks, shame on you Grin. You are officially a rubbish parent and it will all come back to haunt you don't you know

BluePyjamas · 19/05/2011 12:57

You don't think it's odd that a 17yo has just learned how to make a cup of tea?

Can he wash himself properly? Can he make a meal for himself? Can he wash his clothes? Can he cut the grass? Can he clean the toilet?

If he has only just learned to make tea, I imagine the teaching of many other life skills has been ignored too.

At 17 he should be just about ready to live independently, which is obviously what the OP wants, but she has done nothing to help him achieve this.

allnewtaketwo · 19/05/2011 13:11

I don't remember anyone ever 'teaching' me to make tea though. It's just something that you pick up if you watch others. Similarly teaching someone to wash themselves - really? My 2yo somehow learned to wash his hands, but I've never 'taught' him to do so.

Petal02 · 19/05/2011 13:35

I agree Allnew, this all boils down to a lack of initiative, which we've discussed earlier in the thread.

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BluePyjamas · 19/05/2011 13:59

It all boils down to poor parenting imo.

allnewtaketwo · 19/05/2011 14:01

Poor parenting if you don't initiate a 'tea-making' lesson, or a 'how to wash yourself' lesson? I think in that case then 99% of parents must be bad parents then. What about a 'how to wipe you own bottom' lesson? Again, my 2yo is keen to do this himself already

mathanxiety · 19/05/2011 16:11

A 17 yo boy who has such a serious lack of initiative that he does not do normal things for himself around the house, and most worryingly does not have any friends and is showing no signs of missing them or wanting any, needs professional assessment for emotional or mental health problems.

Part of parenting involves noticing things like the fact that your DSS does not have a social life and does not seem to have enough of a desire to be independent that he avoids picking up or using skills like tea-making -- Petal has noticed, but sadly refuses to take the next necessary step.

glasscompletelybroken · 19/05/2011 18:38

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mathanxiety · 19/05/2011 20:08

Yet you keep on posting, Glasscompletelybroken....

glasscompletelybroken · 20/05/2011 08:37

Yes you're right - I should let you have the last word so you can scuttle merrily off to another thread with your jolly pearls of wisdom.

Over and out.

Petal02 · 20/05/2011 09:51

GCB, let's go and find Allnew, I think we all should go shopping for new shoes!

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SingingTunelessly · 20/05/2011 15:58

This thread is completely surreal at points. Petal - has anything been sorted? Or are you busy filling out Court forms Grin

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