The Rolling Football Thread, season 2023-24 Part 2

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Continuation from this thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/sports/4855370-the-rolling-football-thread-season-2023-24?page=40&reply=132530310

have seen this reported in the German press too.

If my club don't do anything except robustly defend against this, I'll be cancelling my season ticket and membership and never giving them (or the Bundesliga) another of my hard earned Euros.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cprgr2175x7o

It's a ridiculous idea, but money talks and I suspect it's inevitable.

But unless the money is good enough to pay to transport all the season ticket holders (at the very least) to the destination and back, it should be strangled at birth.

It is absolutely ridiculous!

Unfortunately the NFL games at Wembley are very popular but here is what google tells me about an NFL season

Every team will play 17 regular-season games with one bye week. Teams will alternate seasons where they host nine regular-season games and one preseason game, or eight regular-season games and two preseason games. The AFC will have nine regular season home games in the 2023 season.

How on Earth will the PL players cope with adding international travel (I am guessing with all the american film stars etc buying interest in clubs that this is what they'll want) It is absurd.

And def not fan friendly!

I can see what will happen at Bundesliga matches if all the fan clubs get an inkling that the Bundesliga/clubs might be thinking about even considering this - the protests that we had against an outside investor in the league are going to look like a girl scout picnic.

Wolves have formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League which will trigger a vote when the 20 member clubs meet in Harrogate on 6 June.

The club said VAR was introduced "in good faith" but has led to "numerous unintended negative consequences that are damaging the relationship between fans and football".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4n1ndlknk1o

Would love to see the back of VAR!

Im really glad my club is taking a stand. But god only knows what this will mean for the decisions in our matches next season 😱 and if That sounds a little paranoid it’s because us wolves fans all feel it.

I always thought VAR would be good for us, but I didn't account for the human aspect.

Clear penalty denied tonight at Old Trafford. Naturally.

Might as well get rid of VAR since the operators are fucking useless. At least when a ref misses it in the heat of the moment it’s excusable.

When it was first mooted, Thierry Henry was being wrongly called offside probably 10 times a season (if not more), not to mention all the penalties we had being called blatantly wrongly.

But that situation doesn't seem to have been corrected, so what's the jeffing point?

Well exactly, VAR was supposed to be about correcting CLEAR and OBVIOUS ERRORS. Where did that thinking go?

Yes it doesn't exactly sell itself does it! I wonder how it will play out in the Euros I imagine a few decisions will be made that wouldn't otherwise stand.

I read the list Wolves gave about why VAR should be abolished and agreed with all of them. Feel like it is unlikely to go though.

Have enjoyed all the matches in this week. The Villa game was a great one. Also enjoyed last night, mainly to see Amad Diallo's wonderful performance and goal. He was on loan to us last season and we absolutely loved him and it's been really frustrating seeing him not get a chance at MUFC and ETH playing Anthony all the time who is awful.

Disgusting idea to play matches abroad. But again, it will happen. Money talks. First one in Saudi Arabia, I bet.

Disgusting idea to play matches abroad. But again, it will happen. Money talks. First one in Saudi Arabia, I bet.

That's what I expect as well.

It is still the European Super League in some form

VAR is being used wrong IMO.
The VAR should only alert the ref to clear, potentially result altering incidents that s/he didn't see.

So Penalties and offside. And offside decisions should not be given (as offside) if they need more 5han 5 seconds and a calibrated line to make that decision. Everything else should be awarded in favour of the attacking team (more goals per game = more interest)

Handball decisions? Decision to be given in 10 seconds, tops.
Onside screen? Do away with it. Unless the ref / lässt ref makes a clearly wrong decision, their word is law.

But. I would like to see a public match report to the ref, outlining clearly their thought process in big decisions.

Cricket uses VAR brilliantly because it is completely transparent.

Rugby refs are miked and we can hear everything.

PL refs have no accountability and no transparency in their decisions.
It has been admitted that it is a small network of mates who don't want to overturn decisions.

Refs should not be employed by other leagues/get money from leagues that have PL owners-conflict of interest.

They also cannot advise yellow cards which is such a random line to draw-I know an Arsenal example-where Saka was fouled almost knee high and blood was drawn but they can't look at that as dangerous play.

I am much more interested in punishing dangerous play than I am in millimetre off side decisions.

If it takes 5 mins it is not clear and obvious and this was not at all what VAR was meant to do but clearly not fit for purpose the way it is being used now.

Think the whole PGMOL system needs addressing but who will do it?

Hear hear! I agree with all of that.

Nothing to see here, just a chief executive deliberately avoiding having to go and smile while handing over his organisation's crown jewels to a club it has charged 115 times with serious financial breaches.

The Athletic | Football@TheAthleticFCPremier League chief executive Richard Masters will attend Arsenal vs. Everton on Sunday.

This means Masters will avoid the scenario of again presenting #MCFC with the #PL trophy when they have been charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play rules.

And he only has to face a small number of Everton fans

I hope they're coming up with some songs with the number "115" in them.

And Martinelli (11) and Partey (5) need to keep standing next to each other...

Yes, I agree with all of that.

I actually want to keep VAR, but it needs to be transparent and the rules need to change, such as they should be able to look at a yellow card for violent conduct, as you say.

I also think that each team should be able to ask VAR to look at up to 3 corner decisions per match if they think that they are incorrect.

I actually don't like the "clear and obvious" rule because it is so subjective. What might be obvious to one person is not necessarily obvious to another. But if it takes longer than 2 minutes to decide if someone is offside, then the scoring team should be given the goal because the system is obviously not capable to deciding.

I think 30 seconds should be more than enough, otherwise it goes with the onfield decision. If it's a matter of millimetres I would be happy to go with the linesman's call (subject to the linesmen being monitored for consistency or bias).

Disallowing a goal for an offside that took 3 minutes and a calibrated line to rule it so is utterly batshit.

I Wand ALL violent conduct to be subjected to after-the-fact review. Currently you can literally injure someone, but if there was previously a rule infraction (eg offside) it can't be punished. That I clearly idiotic

Yes and they should be able to be punished after the game has ended.

I know that some red cards have been given are given after the match in the PL but I don't know how they decide which ones to review.

You've been great, and you are right WBA have come so far this season.

9 days time...