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Update: Difficult bedtimes with a 5 year old.... tonight I tried this!

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peanutfoldover · 05/01/2020 20:32

I started a thread a few days ago about being at my wits end with difficult bed times and night waking in my 5 yr old DD.

Tonight I did the same basic bedtime routine we’ve always done (supper, bath, story, cuddle, bed). The “bed” bit has been the difficult bit for about 2 years now and getting gradually worse. We resorted to lying next to her but this still takes a good hour with her constantly messing about. I’m pregnant and so so tired with lack of sleep that I now have quite a short fuse. Bedtimes make us miserable!

Working on the logic that she needs to learn how to self soothe alone in her room at bedtime before we can even contemplate tackling the night wakings I thought I’d try this:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/sleep-problems-in-children/

Scroll down to the bit about older child not wanting to fall asleep on their own. I think it’s for under 5’s really but there doesn’t seem to be anything for over.

So I warned her early in the day that I had lots of ironing to do and I would do that in my room while she falls asleep in her room (bedroom next door). I angled the ironing board so she could see my hands in my mirrored wardrobe.

I followed the “go back and kiss” at regular intervals. Initially just a few seconds in between, then gradually increasing minutes. I made it feel random and natural, like I was ‘just passing’ her room and popped in and gave her a kiss and said “I’ll be back in a minute”. Initially she didn’t want me to leave at all and there was a mini tantrum and (pretend) tears. Then she was talking a lot and I had to remove a load of toys that were scaring her (one of those things was a pair of headphones!!!).

Eventually she settled down and went to sleep!

It took 1 hour in total. So the same as me lying next to her, but at least she fell asleep more independently than she has for about 6 months and I got lots of ironing done.

I’m hoping tomorrow it won’t take as long, but I plan to go in and kiss just as regularly and then gradually wean it down.

I feel like it was a success because I didn’t lose my cool at all. I told her I loved her about 15 times and I said quite a few times “don’t worry, I’m still around, I won’t let anything bad happen to you.” it genuinely seemed to comfort her.

I’m off to sleep to get ready for being awake later, but wanted to share to spread the idea really!

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3of50BookChallenge2020done · 07/01/2020 20:25

@thetreeisstressingmeout

Both my 8 year old and my 6 year old still have Ewan the Dream Sheep. I can hear him tinkling away now. Sometimes I use sleep music on Amazon, and I notice that I fall asleep faster. It clears my mind, otherwise I just lay there processing my crazy life.

peanutfoldover · 07/01/2020 20:48

@BecauseReasons yes please do!

I’m now celebrating with sticky toffee pudding.

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peanutfoldover · 07/01/2020 20:49

Aw yeah I remember Ewan! I’m definitely getting that for my baby... actually, my DD will probably like it too. We sold hers when she was 2 and she seemed to lose interest in it, but back then bedtimes were no hassle.

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peanutfoldover · 08/01/2020 06:00

She slept through again!!! 3 nights in a row! I feel so amazing from all this sleep.

I’m shocked that sorting out the bed time has seemed to have fixed the nighttime, but I’m not going to get too confident, I could be pure coincidence.

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Figmentofimagination · 08/01/2020 07:17

OP I'm in the same boat as you with my 2.8 year old DS. I've had to leave his door wide open with the landing light on, and done jobs like ironing, putting clothes away, showering. As long as he can see me walk past every once in a while he's content. We do have to repeat in the night some nights (reminding him we're next door) but it was working.
However he's now ill so it's all gone out the window as we've been sleeping downstairs with him/next to his bed. So looks like I'll be back to square 1 once he's better.

itsboiledeggsagain · 08/01/2020 20:21

Amazing work op.

With thing like this it is often just getting your resolve and sticking to it.
Enjoy your free time.

Sparrowlegs248 · 08/01/2020 20:31

Great results so far OP. I might try this myself. My dc are 2 and 4 and we had a pretty solid bedtime going, until they decided to share a bedroom (2 yr old was still in with me) now I feel like I need to stay with them both to prevent any shenanigans. But I think I'll do cuddles for both then start cleaning the upstairs! Excellent idea.

Capricornandproud · 08/01/2020 22:27

Well done OP!!! I’m on night 4 of the same with my 6 year old. So far I’ve managed to make him fall asleep while holding my hand but I know how long this transition will take. Tonight he’s exhausted but last night he stayed at exdh’s and it all went to shit. I was worried tonight was back to Day 1 but he seems to have managed really well. Keep going!! And keep updating - you’re inspiring me!

peanutfoldover · 09/01/2020 08:58

I’ve a confession.... I laid with her last night. It was a bad day with some sad news about my pregnancy at the scan. No heartbeat.

We didn’t start bedtime till quite late (both she’ll shocked really) and she was over tired playing up a bit (obviously she has no idea of the situation so not her fault) and I tried the in and out kissing thing. But by 9pm I just needed her to sleep. I laid with her and she was gone within 10 mins.

She did sleep through though so hopefully I’ve not undone all the progress.

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Clangus00 · 09/01/2020 09:01

Oh I am so sorry OP.

Figmentofimagination · 09/01/2020 09:43

I'm so sorry for your loss OP.

TeetotalKoala · 09/01/2020 10:22

I'm so sorry for your loss xx

FraglesRock · 09/01/2020 10:27

I'm so sorry

peanutfoldover · 09/01/2020 10:33

Thank you. I’m feeling a bit stronger today. Just waiting for a call from EPAC to discuss my options.

It has made me feel very grateful for my little girl.

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AmbitiouslyFit · 09/01/2020 10:35

Flowers so sad to hear your news OP. I was following your bedtime progress and I’m taken by surprise at your dad news. I hope you go easy on yourself and look after yourself during this hard time.

peanutfoldover · 09/01/2020 10:39

Thank you.

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BecauseReasons · 09/01/2020 11:18

Sorry to hear the sad news, OP. Flowers

Huntlybyelection · 09/01/2020 14:06

I'm so sorry OP Flowers

Awks · 09/01/2020 14:13

So sorry for your loss xxx

Muddlingalongalone · 10/01/2020 22:04

Just came on to see how it was going OP coz I've taken inspiration from your thread and my 5 yo has now done 3rd day of minimal fuss but hardly important now.
So sorry to hear your terrible news. Puts bedtime in perspective.....be kind to yourself & extra hugs for your little girl.

peanutfoldover · 10/01/2020 22:48

@muddling that’s great news!

Well, our DD has had a string of late nights as time has just kind of passed by. I laid with her last night and watched her fall asleep again. More for me than her this time.

It’s so strange because I’m aware the foetus has died (at 11 weeks) but I haven’t lost any blood or had any cramping. So whilst I know I’ve miscarried, physically I feel fine. I have an operation booked for the 16th so it’s just a waiting game now.

Tonights bedtime was really cute. After an evening at grannies and going to bed at 9.30pm she said “please don’t lie with me mummy, I’m a big girl, just do that thing where you kiss me”

She was asleep within seconds! Haha

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MadeForThis · 10/01/2020 23:31

So sorry for your news. But she must be feeling really proud of herself for going to sleep alone. She is a big girl now. Don't be afraid to lie beside her if you want. You both know how to sleep without it now. Just do whatever helps xx

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