The great non-sleepers - the sequel

[Jellybean2017]

New thread!

So after a lot of fussing today got her down at 830 and this ye feed one. Hopefully next one will be 5an and she will go back to her own bed after this.... fingers crossed x

@sleepycat - hang in there. It is just sleep deprivation. Yesterday I started crying too, right into my porridge because I just wanted to have 5 minutes to myself. Honestly, I feel bad for dd1 (who just started terrible twos) and I’m a lot less patient with her than I used to be. Is there someone around who can give you a break? Even if it’s just giving one bottle in the evening/night so you can get a few hours?

@cats - I’d much rather my birthday was in the middle of the year! Too soon after Xmas..

On dummies, i tried the orthodontic one and DD2 just didn’t like it. Moved to a cherry shaped one and worked like a dream. Think it depends on the baby.

It’s 231am; she’s awake. I have no idea why. She’s not hungry. She doesn’t seem to have wind. She dropped her dummy - I gave it back to her.... and she’s just awake... gah

@WhoAteAllthePercyPigs I don't know what I can say here to help you, but you are wrong. It's nothing you are or are not doing and you need to stop doubting yourself. And three weeks at this age is a huge amount of time.

And we combi feed. There are a few times he would refuse the bottle and we try a number of things:

• it's easier for dh to give it to him because I think sometimes he can smell me and so wants the boob.
• sometimes he's just overtired and fussy. He can be like this on the boob too and I've been known to switch from boob to bottle (so gone the other way) and he's taken bottle over boob. He did this this afternoon.
• sometimes he just wants boob.
• sometimes he's not hungry and just wants to comfort suck which he can't do on the bottle so yells at me when I offer it.

So don't give up. Keep persevering.

In combi feeding too. I honestly think sometimes they are just fussy for no reason- try not to worry x

3am is the fucking worst. I don’t seem to mind the other hours, but 3am is the devil.

Thanks both. I just feel like im cracking up. I can't settle DS. He's crying and squirming, boobing, rocking, shushing, swaddling, white noise. Nothing is working. What else am I meant to do?? We can't sit and be quiet as he just cries if I do that! I'm getting so stressed and angry which is not helping i just can't cope with him!

@WhoAteAllthePercyPigs so sorry you’re having a difficult time I wish I could offer some suggestions but sounds like you have tried everything... my ds is 8 weeks old and he pretty much feeds all evening, by 11 pm we usually manage to go to bed for 2-3 hours and then thereafter roughly an hour at a time but with very long breaks in between (nappy change and feeding takes ages for us). From 5.40 am I take ds into our bed (dp is up getting ready for work) and breastfeed lying down/sleep we stay there until 8-9 am.

Today (yesterday really) I walked into town with ds in his pram, 45 minutes walk each way. We went to mothercare to look for a bouncy chair but didn’t see anything I liked... we also bumped into a couple of my work colleagues which was nice. Ds slept 2 hours and was ready for a feed when we got home. All evening he fedband cat napped, we got in bed 11.15-2.15am and he’s just drifted off so will try and transfer to cot.

Awake and on boob #2. I can also confirm that Dd is capable of projectile pooing 2m+.

Morning everyone

Sorry to hear so many tired eyes tonight!

As sone of you may have seen from my long winded posts struggling with. DS with regurgitation and possible reflux with constant BFing unhappy unsettled and uncomfortable DS

Long story short as of a week ago now had to start combi feeding due to slow weight gain and DS can't keep more than probably 50% each feed down gets much worse evenings/night lots of discomfort and upset only get to see a happy DS about 10mins a day when he's awake he's crying, feeding or being sick and will only sleep in arms Won't lay anywhere else even when cot and Moses basket tilted or warmed up beforehand do have to take in shifts to hold him whilst he sleeps.

Yesterday 2nd Drs visit prescribed gaviscon heard they offer this first off as cheapest but he did mention the formula that can be prescribed which is easier to digest for reflux babies anyone had experience of this has if worked?
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It was all going so well, DS2 did two 3 hour stints between feeds and we were on track for a two feed night until DS1 shouted for me an hour after feed two. There was enough movement/noise to unsettled DS2 and despite much effort after resettling DS1 to resettle DS2,, I am back feeding DS2 an hour and a half after his last feed.

@whoateallthepercypigs it's too easy to compare, I still do it witb DS1 as well. But you are not there all the time, and people lie/put a brave face on if they are not the type to moan, your friend may be having a nightmare most of he time and the baby was good for your visit. And all babies and kids are different, comparing will make you go mad. i should probably re me Ind myself of that at times

@user1489931797 my good friend with very refluxy kids has the neocate formula,and yes, it dies help her two but they are completely formula fed. They also have other medications I think but it was trial and error getting to a good point, you are right to keep pushing, hopefully the gaviscon will help.

Thanks @Catscatsandmorecats I'm never normally a pushy patient but after reading about the hoops parents jump through on here and time wasted I'm just not prepared to put up with prolonging DS being hungry, uncomfortable and unhappy anymore.

Well she's awake and chatting wanting to play :(

Erm I've just finished feed number 1!! And I think it's only because I woke up in a panic and had to check DS was breathing which woke him up. I'm a little bit glad though as my boobs were like concrete. Doing my best to not get ahead of myself.

Sorry to read not everyone has had a good night.

@WhoAteAllthePercyPigs hope you've managed to get some sleep. I've spent many nights in tears trying to soothe DS. Sometimes it seems like they just want to cry just because.

@lydiangel83 we're still trying to work it out but decided on 7.30 as being bedtime. DS has a bath every other night so will start bedtime at 7pm. If I'm honest I haven't got him in bed asleep for 7.30 yet more like 8pm.
We put him in his growbag, we have a musical owl which I press (we use it as a cue to DS that it's bedtime) feed and then story. He doesn't self settle so I usually cuddle him to sleep.
I then go to bed and DH has taken over settling him if he wakes until 1 and then I take over. However that's only this week as he's on afternoons so works 2pm-10pm. He also does 6am-2pm and 10pm-6am so I'm on my own the next couple of weeks.

I've tried a dummy a few times and also had no luck. He just spits them out and looks at me offended!

@WhoAteAllThePercyPigs like Hashtag said, 3 weeks is a lot of time at this stage. I am sure your DS will settle down soon.
As for my DD tests, they will do a USG scan next and we have a gastroenterology appointment coming up in the UK.

Meepmoop looks like your LO likes his own bedroom!

DD did a 5.5 hr stint again. Next to me, of course and my DM woke me up at midnight, so not feeling as refreshed as I could!

wrote a long reply to various posts at about 5 am but then accidentally deleted it before sending and then gave up.
just wanted to say sorry it's been a bad night for many. yet again. but also great to hear a few of us have had a better night. hopefully that's a a sign of things to come and there will be a few more graduates from this thread.
it was a bad night for me. after the first 3 hour stretch we had sleeps of no longer than 30 mins with long feeds in between and really annoyingly i struggled to sleep during the longer stretch so got even less sleep.
and this too shall pass. repeat. and this too shall pass.

@whoateallthepercypigs - I’m scared of saying anything in case it’s the wrong thing and I put my foot in it but I’ve been there - I think many of us have - hang in there. This too shall pass. I don’t know if that helps or not but for me - DD1 is now a good sleeper but she was bad sleeper to start with; it took her till she was 23 weeks to start sleeping more than 4 hour stretches. I keep thinking just another few weeks to go and DD2 will get there too... they all will eventually...

@user148....
So I feel like I could write a book on reflux; followed by one on constipation. Dd1 had reflux - I only realise how bad it was now that I have DD2 who doesn’t have reflux. We didn’t get anywhere with the GP who seemed disinclined to diagnose it.
She was being seen however by a paediatric cardiologist for a whole different thing and because of her meds it was important she kept her feeds down and didnt lose weight which started to happen.
So we had to get on top of the reflux pretty fast.
On formula; Aptamil does a reflux formula that is available over the counter. I may be wrong but I think neocyte is for CMPA as well and needs a prescription. So Aptamil reflux is the regular stuff but it is thicker (you need a fast flow teat with it). It worked well because she really enjoyed it and kept her feed down. It was a relief. For around three days. And then she got constipated (thicker formula) which is a side effect. Eventually we started mixing the regular formula and the reflux formula until we got to a consistency which was thick enough she didn’t throw it up and didn’t constipate her. In hindsight - there is some stuff the GP can prescribe which will also thicken formula and maybe we should have gotten that. Gaviscon didn’t work.
Ultimately she ended up on Zantac drops; reflux peaks at 4 months and we couldn’t do anything else at that stage...and then we started solids at 23 weeks which solved the whole thing.....
hope that helps!

Other than it being a bit frustrating with DS1 waking and an extra feed for DS2, last night wasn't too bad. They both then slept til 6.30 and DS1 stayed in his room. If we can get DS2 to reliably have just two feeds I'll move him into his own room when we've actually organised it and put up the cot

DS2 did his standard nap on the nursery run and is still asleep in his pram an hour and a half later - I am amazed! He never goes more than 45 minutes. Annoyingly I need to try and get out but I'm not going to interrupt much needed sleep until I absolutely have to.

@meepmoop woooohoooo!!! I say that's cause for celebration, even if it is a one off, you got some sleep! 😁

@whoateallthepercypigs I hope things are a bit brighter this morning

@user1489931797 I think you're right - keep pushing.

Thank you all for your kind words and encouragement! It means a lot to me. It's so good to have a place I can vent - it does really help.

I know, it will pass. Problem is, I kept saying that about my DD and she took over two years to start sleeping well We had regression after regression and regressions in between regressions! She's now in her own room and doing so well with sleeping through but it took us a long time to get there. Guess I'm worried DS is following in her footsteps. But you're right - things change so much at this stage and he is only 9 weeks so it's early days. I just need to remember that every baby is different and that he'll sleep when he sleeps. Hard to do that at 3am though!

I have been giving him infacol before feeds so we'll see what that does. Next stop gripe water!

Just back from DS having his 8 week jags. He was very brave, only a cry and then he was calm and smiley! Fed him and hoping he'll nap now.

Sorry to hear of the bad nights, but also encouraged by the good nights!

We had a good night, 3 hours, then 2 hrs 45 minutes followed by feeding lying down/sleeping from 6.35-8.15am although didn’t get much sleep when feeding lying down as ds was like a little starved animal fighting the boobs most of the time... though he was very good when we got up and he just laid in his cot cooing while I had a wash and got ready for the day. We’ve got baby massage at 2.30 this afternoon. We have ordered the Fisher-Price Newborn-To-Toddler Rocker I hope he’ll like it. Hope you all have a nice day😊

I was talking to a friend the other day and she said that you get so much information about breastfeeding but no one ever tells you how to stop. I regret not trying my little one with a bottle earlier because I’m not sure he’s going to take to one when I go back to work - I assume he will give in because I’ll not be in the house to breastfeed but I don’t want to think of him getting upset and confused.

If I’d known then what I did now, I might not have planned on going back to work so soon. But also - I’d want him to take a bottle of expressed milk so I can leave him at some stage, so I guess this battle has to happen some time.

That was a bit of a ramble, sorry. WhoAteAllthePercyPigs hoping you’ll have a better night tonight. And MeepMoop I’m encouraged that your little one is doing so well in his own room. I think we might try moving soon.

I know most of you on here have young ones but for those that have already moved their little ones to their own room at what age did you do it and how did you find the process? I know the sids guidelines but I'm wondering when night work best for us. my ds currently 14 weeks so perhaps bit soon but thinking of anything to help make nights better

Hi everyone, I haven't been on for a few nights because things have been really awful. DS2 is taking ages to settle then only sleeping for 30-45 mins before fussing and needing resettled or fed. I'm utterly exhausted and finally started taking the antidepressants prescribed to me just before New Year as I don't feel like I'm coping very well at all.

DS1 was a terrible sleeper but that was ten years ago and at 40 I just don't have the energy to deal with countless sleepless nights.

Anyway, only skimmed the last few messages. Sounds like some of you are having some success sleep-wise. Long may it continue (and please send the memo to DS2!)

Will check in later as the night kicks off

whoAteAllThePercyPigs DS2 was like this, totally unable to settle, fussing and squirming a lot. Things got much better as he hit the three month mark. Hang in there. And get as much support as you can. It's awful feeling like you can't cope. Hugs.