The great non-sleepers - the sequel

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New thread!

Why do i write such long posts....

New problem, DS appears to want to sleep on his side which is okay as he can do it himself however he keeps slipping onto his back so he's waking himself up to go on his side again..

Also why did I ever decide to have pets? One of the cats was being annoying which he does when he wants to go out. For example he scratches everything and will bang the doors by rolling on the floor. I coax him downstairs and open the door,
he ignores me and just uses the litter tray. Not sure why he couldn't do that himself, guess he wanted an audience

Thanks @WhoAteAllthePercyPigs kind word like that are just as helpful x

And I've just tripped over the dogs toy..

Lost count of feeds now but did manage to get DS1 back in his own bed at least.

@meepmoop - I nearly LOLed DS2 off the boob at tripping over the dog!

@sleeycat snack stealing is just not on

@user1489931797 it sounds awful, and exhausting. Yes, it will get better but also definitely get checked out your reflux, if there's medication that could help, it's totally worth it. Keep pushing for a referral if you need to.

Now to see if I can manage the dreaded winding and keep DS2 asleep

Hello. I’ve been up until 4am trying to get 6 week old DD down. She’s back up again after 45mins. It’s been like this for at least the past two weeks, and the four weeks before that weren’t much better. What can I do? I’m tearing my hair out here and I think it’s affecting my mental health.

Thanks Whoate. No she doesn't have kids. She's mid twenties, lives with her parents still and has only expressed a vague interest in having kids in the past year or so.

meep we put a rolled up blanket behind his back so he can sleep on his side. Doesn't stop him rolling onto his back entirely but it helps.

Are you BF or FFinf disco?

Nina I’m breastfeeding

Could it be another phase of cluster feeding then? I ended up feeding in bed to get more sleep/rest around 5-6 weeks but thankfully the clustering stopped for us not long after that.

Argh! Why won’t he stay asleep when I put him down! Have managed one half hour stint in his own bed since 2.30... he seems in lovely floppy sleep until I try and put him down. Have even tried lying him next to me in my bed but that doesn’t work either, he just doesn’t like lying on his back and wants to be upright on me all the time. Am going to give it another hour or so of trying to get him back in his crib and then will just give up and let him snuggle on me so at least one of us gets some sleep and he’s not overtired tomorrow

It’s been like this since Christmas. I’ve been side feeding and bed sharing during the day so I can get some sleep myself, but I hate doing it because the bed is quite soft and it worries me.

Disco I am a week or so behind you but I feel your pain and DS has only been like this for the past week, cant imagine coping with this for longer. Hope you've had a little rest.

DS has fed 12 times since midnight, he's EBF. He's only slept in small bursts the longest being 1hr 10 mins. I'm loosing my marbles. He's been like this for a week now. He's not much better in the day although I usually get a nap of 2hrs 30mins once where I try to grab some sleep but it's never at any set time so hard to plan or predict. He'll sleeping the pram but only whilst I continue to walk, likewise the car as long as we are moving.

I am beginning to think he may have reflux as he's grunting and writhing about everytime he wakes, he'll sleep upright on me bit he's really hard to put down. I've tilted his next to me and the carry cot for downstairs naps. I don't have any help from DH so apart from being worried that DS must be exhausted I'm not sure how much longer I can carry on like this!

@user1489931797 I'm sorry that you're having such a tough time. I don't have any advice I'm clueless. I'd be knocking on the GPs door this morning.

@sleepycat13 LTB

Ds went 2.5 hours tonight and so continues to improve. 🤞🤞🤞🤞

DotCotton this is exactly us, right down to the grunting and tilted next2me! Hope it passes soon!

@user1489931797 sorry you are having such tough time. I agree get yourself to the doctor and chat to hv again too. my ds had what I suspect was reflux quite badly (although perhaps not that badly for the first few months. he was gaining weight well though so doctor wasn't really interested but I'd keep pushing if I were you as it's clearly affecting you too. big hugs. I know it's not helpful now but just to say I have noticed a big improvement on last few weeks now that ds is 3 months. he does still have bad days but he also has good days with hardly any vomiting too so it will get better but don't just put up with it

and thanks everyone for support!!! have to say not quite sure what ltb means but I'm imagining all sorts of profanities

Leave the bastard

@NinaMarieP thanks for clarifying def divorce worthy.

Why do I wake up at 2am every night when DD is still asleep??? 😭😭😭

I respectfully do disagree to an extent, hands off. Breastfeeding generally gets way easier after the first 6-8 weeks. Assuming a a baby is gaining weight and there aren't issues with tongue tie etc.

I've got a friend with a baby five days older than mine and he is FF. he doesn't sleep any better than my little boy, in fact he's up just as often (currently 2 times a night) but the difference is that he often won't go back to sleep for an hour or two after a feed!

There are ways to make breastfeeding easier - a dummy can help when baby isn't hungry but just wants comfort, swaddles can help them feel more secure and as above stop the flailing and wriggling.

It's absolutely OK to stop breastfeeding if it really isn't working for you but it's not always as simple as "it's the breastfeeding's fault" or "it'll be easier if you switch to formula."

I sometimes think I'd love to just give him bottles all the time so that I could share the night feeds etc but then I think about the having to make up bottles instead of just lifting him into bed and whipping out a boob. And I wonder how I would settle him when he's upset and the dummy isn't working. You can't feed a baby with formula every time he's upset but you can shove a boob in his mouth and know he won't overeat.

I totally agree with @AMagdalena
My friend's 9 month old baby is FF and on a good night she wakes up 6 times a night. There are no guarantees whatsoever that formula is going to make your baby sleep better or feel better. If reflux is the problem, it could make it worse (as breast milk is a natural antacid).

Around 6 weeks was a super hard time for me too, with DS wanting to feed round the clock too. I thought I was at breaking point. But by 8 weeks it got significantly better, and now I'm honestly so glad I persevered. Because on top of all the nutritional and health benefits, the boob is your magic tool to instantly comfort your baby and stop the crying.

I would definitely check the baby for tongue tie and for reflux, as those two conditions seem to be the common cause of problems with breastfeeding, and both can be corrected.

Hugs @NonStopDisco This too will pass.

Sorry that was supposed to say @NinaMarieP not AMagdalena