The great non-sleepers - the sequel

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New thread!

@Sakura03 I tend to put DS in the size up for bed time and then use the others for day time and change them
quite frequently until they're used up.

I'm currently still in bed, I should get up but DH has taken him downstairs and it's just so peaceful

@Meepmoop that's a good idea, I'm going to do that too!

Happy birthday @Catscatsandmorecats 😺

@Meepmoop that's a brilliant nappy tip. We are just about to open a packet of sizes 2 as DD is getting towards the weight limit for 1s. My little girl is no longer a tiny baby 😭

@Meepmoop Glad the night went pretty well! I am hoping to move on from co-sleeping to DD sleeping in her own room in a few weeks.

The night was ok. I woke up at 2am as I do, for no reason, and woke DD up Then slept till 5.30 and then until 8am.
DD has just done 1hr on me I kept thinking she'd wake up anytime, so didn't attempt to put her down.

Thank you for the birthday wishes, after a little bit of a frustrating tearful start (my new epilator breaking was the proverbial straw during what needed to be a quick rather than enjoyable shower) the day got better we've had a nice quiet family afternoon at the park and a beer in the pub and are chilling in front of the fire. No sleep, DH is poorly so we're both muddling on through but at least some chilled time. 🤞for some better sleep tonight.

Well done @meepmoop getting DD into her own room and surviving, I'm sure it'll get easier from now.

@sakura03 I used to think as a horsey person I talked about poo too much but having kids gas taken it to a whole new level!

We were supposed to be going out for a curry in the two hours DS2 allows us in the evening but DH really isn't feeling well now so we're about to go to bed once DS2 is down. A very rock and roll birthday!

Good luck everyone for tonight.

Thanks everyone, about to start night 2. I'm hoping for a good night as we've got a sign and sing class at 10.30.

Hopefully it's going to be a good night all round

I've not been on these for a bit - sadly due to knackeredness rather than sleep! Trying to put lo down now

Well tomorrow is the official start of the new year and the normal routine. Last week didn't really count as dd didn't go back to school until Thursday and Thursday and Friday dh was about to help with school runs (insofar as being at home to look after ds so I didn't have to take him with me).
So from tomorrow, no matter how shit (literally and metaphorically speaking) the night has been, I have to be up and dressed by 7:30am in time for dh to leave for work. I then have a slooooow hour to sort the house, get ds dressed, fed and dd ready for school. Leave the house and walk dd to school with ds in a sling. In time for 8:45.

I'll miss those mornings I don't have to leave the house in the bracing cold! The getting out of bed is hard enough!

Then of course it's school pick up at 3:30 so I wrap us both up to pick up dd and walk her home. Entertain her for a couple of hours until dh comes home then I can start to relax.

To add to my day, dd is having a friend over after school too, so I'll have 2 x 5 year olds as well as ds to be in charge of. When did I grow up?!

Need my rest. Night all. I'll be back around midnight. As usual. Sigh.

I'm so fed up of getting into bed at 7! DS takes ages to get to sleep so it's not even like I can sleep. DH back to work tomorrow so likely to be weekend before I get any decent sleep...

Good luck for tonight everyone 😊

DD lasted 30s in the cot 😂
Plus, she's taken a liking to sleeping on her tummy 🙄

reading the last few posts has made me realise that I have a Sunday night feeling. haven't felt that way since starting mat leave and it's been lovely but it's been a while week of really bad nights and knowing that it will be the weekend before I can get any sense of lie in/help is really making me get that feeling again. I haven't got older kids to look after too so hats off to those of you that do. and on I am looking forward to baby groups starting again. will be nice to have something to help structure the day with.

Happy birthday Cats! Sorry it's been a bit of a quiet one. I remember well my birthday a montb after DD was born. I tried to have a beer but she was crying so much I had one sip, ended up breastfeeding her whilst trying to eat takeaway pizza. Also had a blazing row with DH over sleep. So that was a memorable day Hope you got to watch more Black Mirror??

Another one with that Sunday feeling! After a good two months of having support from my DH and my parents, DH goes back to work tomorrow. So begins my maternity leave proper with two kids to look after!

I'm lucky in that DD is in nursery for four days a week - although will be going down to three during my mat leave. But it's still the getting up in the freezing dark mornings to get her ready and out the house - thars assuming she cooperates and doesn't pitch a toddler tantrum - while bunging DS in the sling.

I've also got way too used to DH taking DS in the morning to give me extra shut eye. As I'm sure you all know, those extra hours make all the difference...

Ah well, bring it on! On the plus side, I'm kind of relishing getting into a proper routine for me and DS. This time round we can't afford the baby classes we did with DD - apart from Waterbabies which my parents are paying for - so it'll be the free bookbug sessions at our local library, plus many playdates. Bring on the coffee and cake!

Good luck all tonight, it has to be a good one...right??

Happy birthday @Catscatsandmorecats!

I don't know what's up with DD2 other than I now think she's over-tired. Since about 6pm she's been using my nipple as a dummy and then falling asleep in my arms. Every attempt at settling her in the cot results in almost instantaneous tears. So we get her up for a little play, feed her again and the cycle recommences.

May have to let her cry herself to sleep but not sure I have the stomach for it.

Another 12.40 feed. How can he wake with such unnerring preciseness so bloody often? He doesn't wake at 12.30. Or 12.45. No. It's 12 bloody 40!! And I couldn't get to sleep for ages tonight so only slept from 11 - 12.40 which was supposed to me my one decent and baby free chunk of sleep to start the night on.

I'm awake.

But Ds is asleep.

🤬at me being awake.

SLEEP WHEN THEY SLEEP, don't you know that's the rule!?!?

Kinda off topic but...

I've just sent a very long message to someone I thought was a seriously close friend. She goes on about being my little boy's auntie but he hasn't had an Xmas present off her yet (she and I do presents very year and I sent hers in good time for Xmas but got nothing for my birthday or Xmas). I asked her the other day when she had posted it as she had said she was getting something, and she just said she 'hadn't really finished it yet." No sorry or idea when he would get it. I know he's no idea what Xmas is but she is always on FB going on about being an auntie (the 'best auntie' stuff when he's got 2 blood aunts who get a bit pissed off but I leave her to it as it's nice she cares).

She hardly every messages me these days despite talking about coming to visit in the coming months (she lives hundreds of miles away). And also we run a (hobby) blog together and she constantly doesn't finish her posts or even start them. We only write one thing a week each and I had prewritten a few months content so I could have a break. Occasionally I've managed on and written something new lately but I'm always having to go on and check content has gone up as planned.

I probably should have waited and not sent it
in the heat of a 1am tired rage when I realised tomorrow's 9am post isn't finished - I started it for her last night when I managed to open my laptop for the first time this year. But it's sent now...

Anyone else had friends pay lip service to being super excited about your LO and then be a total flake?

Just done feed no.3 here, with resettling in between too. I suspect this is because in our efforts to make sure DS1 isn't too cold has no excuse to come into our bed we have turned out house into a sauna. With three of us in our room from bedtime it's been even worse until the heating turned of and it's started to cool.

Even so, going to bed so early means I've had more sleep than some other nights this week.

@whoateallthepercypigs I have the exact same setup with my two - it is sometimes a challenge to get out of the house in the morning but I love the walk to/from nursery. The days I have them both are long but also the most enjoyable days. You'll be fine.

I have realised I don't get Sunday night feeling, no one ever takes either DS off me so I can have a break, the closest I get is asking my parents to babysit so I can ride occasionally but I never get a rest at all. It doesn't help that DS2 just will not take a bottle, I used to think like with DS1 any baby would get the hang of it eventually and I'm sure in an emergency situation they would but will DS2 when he knows I can feed him? No he will not!

And here is DS1 😩

@NinaMarieP that sucks. I don't believe I do. I have one friend that's very full on with ds and dd. She doesn't have children if her own but would love to. She's so good with dd and buys or makes the most amazing presents for both of them - to the point I almost 'tell her off' (in a nice way!) for spending too much and reminding her that she doesn't have to do that! But every now and then she goes underground and I don't hear from her. She'll cancel plans to meet (which is seriously tricky as dd loves her and gets upset). So it's got to the point whereby if we make plans, I don't tell dd until the day when I definitely know it's happening. For example, I've text her last week about meeting up one weekend in January, but she hasn't replied yet! I won't see her or hear from her for a few weeks (sometimes months) and then I see and hear from her loads!
I wouldn't say she's flaky, but unreliable. But she's an awesome friend and we call her auntie because she's so good with Dd.

Feed #1
Normally about 12:30 but started 2:15. That might be because dh fed him later than normal. I dunno. Won't know until the morning.

I'm kinda looking forward into getting back into the normal routine again. It's been a few weeks and I've missed my alone time with ds. Having dh and dd around over Christmas has been great, but I've got a lot of tv to catch up on now 😂😂😂

My gym has a crèche facility. It's a really nice gym that I probably pay way over the odds to be a member of, and the crèche is really lovely too. I'm planning on putting ds in for a trial this week. It's an hour and he'll probably sleep the entire time. It's hard though, the idea of leaving him. But it could be the start of my 'me' time. One hour a week when I don't have to rely on dh to help me out and I can do 45 mins in the gym. The crèche won't take children under 3 months and I've been waiting for this moment. But Ds is now over 4 months and I think I'm going to bite the bullet this week! 😬 I'll put him in for the hour but stay with him this week. Then do it for real the next week if I'm happy.

Not a good night gang!

7 week old DS still only sleeping in our arms attempting to put him in a Moses basket is like a ticking bomb that goes off every time or atleast within 10mins
Tried lifting one end tried warning with hot eater bottle First, tired swaddling or just tucked in blanket or sleeping bag nothing makes a difference.

starting to think he has reflux as constant 24hr feeding no clearly defined gaps with recent poor weight gain and posetting/ bring up milk hour after nearly every feed has now for past week meant on HV recommendation combined feeding.
Last week within 3days he put on same weight gain which had previously taken 10 dats to achieve despite bringing up large amounts after each feed.

This has turned into regurgitation immediately after or during a formula feed randomly mainly late afternoon and night feeds it was terrible tonight between 9:30 -10ish we had to give DS 3x baby grow changes First sick he woke himself up with and was breast milk curdled from an hour previous then because he emptied he did his cry which usually means hungry so tried him with just 2oz formula so not to overload him and after an 1oz came straight back up.

He was very upset and uncomfortable so offered him boob as that seems to be the only and quickest way to comfort him so he fed a little but mainly suckled for comfort until he fell asleep so I handed him over to DH and attempted to go get my 2hrs for the night for the 2nd time.. 10mins later I hear crying and the breast milk has been brought up all over himself.

I helped change him rocked him to sleep but then he was really upset and crying for food again so I BF him but for reduced time.

Anyway this all started at 10pm my 3rd time of attempting g to go get some precious eye then finally looking likely except I check the time and it was 00:40 and DH is falling asleep and has to be up for work in 5hrs so I tell him I'll just take 40mins and my alarm all to quickly goes off.

Any advice?!

wake number 1. but it started over an hour ago. think a bit of wind was to blame for a failed cot transfer so let's see if the next one goes any better now that ds has had a burp.

just seen that dh has eaten my midnight snack

😱 sleepycat! You can have my first ever LTB (just to remind us we are actually on Mumsnet as this thread feels like a Ywhole other world!)

A gym with a crèche sounds good. I'd love to get a swim occasionally or some yoga but I have signed up for a circuits class where you can take your babies. They roll around and play nearby and the teacher keeps an eye on them but you can go see to them whenever.

My LO has been asleep over an hour and I'm still awake stressing after sending that bloody message!

I think your friend would upset me too, Hashtag! It's even worse when the child is old enough to notice they are being ignored! She sounds great when she is around but disappearing for ages is rubbish.

1st feed, DS managed to go 7hours between feeds!! DH did some resettling but not sure how much as I was asleep. I woke up half an hour before DS annoyingly I think my body wasn't used to the extra snoozing.

I've added an extra layer to DS so not sure if that made a difference.

Feed 2 here. Feed 1 was at 1am but bit of a blur; I fell asleep during it . First time that's happened mid feed, I just was so tired. That was after only one boob, so unsurprisingly feed 2 started at 2.45. I woke up feeling horribly panicky, it happens sometimes when I'm very sleep deprived. Not helping!

DS very congested and upset with it so have just given him drops. Which were obviously well received

@Cats yeah I am actually looking forward to it being me and the kids, and really getting bonding time with DS. Just a bit worried about the sleep thing but I'll cope, I survived DD and her regime of sleep terror! Been particularly struggling with the exhaustion the past few days, not sure why.

@NinaMarie I think you were right to call your friend out. Sounds like she's neglecting your friendship whilst only paying lipservice to it and to her 'auntie' duties. Many years ago, I was guilty of neglecting a good friend. I was in my 20s and my social life priority was going out and getting drunk; she wasn't a drinker so would want to meet in non drinking situations. I'm ashamed to say I'd often bin her off in favour of better offers or I'd be too hungover to go ad see her. She basically called me out on it. Best thing she could have done as it was a real wake up call and made me realise how valuable our friendship was. Taking a good hard look at myself and admitting I was wrong was not easy, but I was able to do so and managed to save our friendship (which is stronger than ever, funnily enough a lot of my 'drinkie' friends have melted away since mli became a mum).

The point of me sharing this is, sometimes you need to speak out when a good friendship isn't working as well as it should. If she's a true friend, she'll be able to take on board what you said and do something to make it better. If not, well, sometimes you have to call time on a friendship.

Does she have kids? I'm perhaps over reaching here and wondering if there's a jealousy thing going on here? As in she wants to be a good auntie but finds it hard to be around your DS because it's painful for her? It's just I have a similar situation with a friend of mine. It's annoying that she's giving all the 'social media auntie' chat though and it sounds like she's been neglecting her friendship with you for a while.

@User sounds like you're having a tough night wish I could give helpful advice, all I can say is it WILL pass.

@sleepycat I second it - LTB!! Snack stealing is no joke!!