The great non-sleepers - the sequel

[Jellybean2017]

New thread!

@theotherendofthesockportal I found this quite usefulness accurate, scroll down for "awake times" by age www.thepragmaticparent.com/sleepcharts/

Thanks @Jellybean2017 that’s good to know. Here NHS would only consider us if ds wasn’t putting on weight and that’s thankfully not the case.

Can anyone recommend a great bouncing chair/rockers? I think ds would like it and me too😊

@Sakura We hve a Chicco bouncy chair. DD loves it, but doesn't sleep in it. I would buy the Tiny Love 3 in 1 rocker/napper, if I was buying again.

So.. went to church only for DD to do a massive poo 2 mins into the service 🙈

Oooh, thanks @jellybean2017 I really do find the awake times much easier to follow than working out how much sleep they need. DS2 seems to be pretty much.on track with the chart just wish he'd nap for more than 45 minutes at a time

@Jellybean Looked at the sleep chart and as expected my DD doesn't follow it! And the guidelines differ from the ones published recently by the American Academy of Paediatrics which include recommended amount of sleep over 24 hrs only.
My DD has recently extended her awake time to even 2.5hrs at times. She still has short naps, but is doing the recommended 12 hrs a day. Having said that, she has been a bit easier to put to sleep and doesn't fight it as much, so I've relaxed a little bit.

Thank you @Jellybean2017 I will try to use that as a guide. What did people do in the days before the internet? We are off for a walk in the park later. Hopefully it will help me feel more energetic.

I find sleep charts so depressing. I suspect these charts might be based on FF babies. In the early days when breastfeeding easily took 30-45 minutes, or more (not to mention cluster feeding), and every nappy was full, and he screamed at every nappy change, there was no way we'd be able to fit feeding, winding, nappy change and putting him back to sleep in the 20-40 minute awake window!! We were set to fail from the start. I was obsessing and fretting over DS not following them sleep charts and what kind of damage is it doing to his brain development. But no matter what I did I couldn't make him sleep enough according to the charts. So I stopped looking at the damn charts. Now I just watch for his sleep cues and try to put him down as soon as possible.

@DiscombobulatedWomble I just lol'ed at your post about not wearing a bra. I know those moments so well. It happens to the best of us. So attractive, huh?!

@Sakura03 I'm so tired that I'd want a quick result and I'd cough up £150 if it killed me. At least I'd know it would be sorted that day regardless.

Who is the poo 💩 expert here. Is that you @AMagdalena?
Ds has been pooing much more frequently over the last week or so. Maybe longer. His poos are much brighter yellow than before and watery too. Today I notice a few small bits that sort of resettled scrambled egg. But only about 6-7 tiny bits. Is that normal?

Resembled scramble egg*

Tonight's the night, DS is going into his own room to not sleep.

He's not quite 6months but he's outgrown the cot in our room. I think we wake him up all the time so I'm hoping this might help

I'm a bit apprehensive as I'll have to get out of bed and I'm not sure how it will play out

@Hashtag Yup, it's me! 💩💩💩
If he doesn't seem in any pain, I'd say he-s ok. I have been told by different doctors that babies'pooing pattern can change from time to time as they gain new bacteria.
A bit of mucous is probably ok, too, unless it persists for a long time and makes for a particularly ugly poo.
My DD has ugly poos regularly, unfortunateltly. Sick of looking at them, to be honest!

@Meepmoop Hoping for a miracle for you!

@ven83 yeah I think you have to take what the sleep charts say with a large pinch of salt. But useful as a rough idea as I had no clue before I had DS haha!

He's been a nightmare today. Wondering if he is teething... We are in bed already which I'm feeling a little bit fed up about. Selfishly I fancied staying up a little later and watching a bit of TV with DH. But DS just won't settle unless it's completely dark and quiet apart from white noise.

DH took DS out in the pram today so I had a blissful hour to myself. I started off doing housework but then thought actually I really ought to enjoy this. So I made a cuppa and put my feet up, it was lovely.

Good luck baby meepmoop tonight! Feels like we are a long way off putting DS in his own room. Hope it goes well for you!

Good luck @meepmoop

I went upstairs to put dd to bed and left Ds downstairs with dh. Dh has put him lying down on the floor in the lounge. Dh and I were just chatting about our day and week ahead to look down and find ds asleep in the middle of the lou he floor. Seriously. He'll sleep there but not in his cozy Snüzpod??!

Thanks @AMagdalena on the poo 💩 advice!

Those sleep charts were an eye opener...my baby is FF and there is no way I'd be able to change, feed, burp and get her back to sleep within 60 minutes. Never mind have any kind of interaction whatsoever with her She probably get 14 hours or so sleep a day but with longer awake periods, mostly shorter naps and no single solid overnight sleep.

@AccrualIntentions I think it was Sarah Ockwell-Smith's Gentle Sleep Book that said that the current NHS guidelines significantly overestimate the amount of sleep needed for each age group, as proved by research, and that these guidelines are just guesstimated by experts. She really does a wonderful job of putting your mind at ease about these things. I find that most of these stats and guidelines we are supposed to follow are usually presented out of context. And babies are not machines that can be programmed to have 90 minute naps and go back to sleep within the prescribed time frame as decided by baby whisperers. And we're not failing at parenthood if we can't make them do that.

@Ven83 Oh I'm reasonably happy just winging it, I was just surprised by what it suggested!

Winging it is definitely the way forward!

Just had a look at Sarah ockwell website if anyone is interested www.google.co.uk/amp/s/sarahockwell-smith.com/2015/04/15/how-long-should-babies-and-toddlers-sleep-for-infographic/amp/

Bollocks to the charts and guidelines is what I say! They worried me sick about DD but she was just doing what was right for her. Babies are all different and Ven is right, they're not machines to be programmed - especially breastfed babies! Some will respond well to routine, others won't. Of course, it's good to have a rough idea, but we shouldn't feel bad if that's not working for us.

As you can tell I am feeling a bit ranty! Hae reached peak levels of mind numbing exhaustion. Did way too much today and didn't rest. Then DS fell asleep at 745 till 10pm, not like him, now he's wide awake and angry and I know he won't be going down any time soon.

What I wouldn't give for just one night off.

Resenting DH for the good night's sleep he will get.

I've had an hours sleep in exchange for him being on my boob since 7.30. Hope the next stint of sleep is longer!

From Sarah's book...

So our wide awake babies are perfectly normal, that's good to know. If only we parents didn't need to sleep, life would be a dream!

Go Sarah O! I love her words of wisdom. I'd recommend checking out Surviving a Sleep Thief on Facebook and Instagram. She's survived two non sleepers and has written a book and many blog posts and articles about her experience. She's very funny and very relatable to - I find that even the most realistic mummy blogs don't cover the agony of a long term sleeper!

Ven I really wish I didn't need sleep. If it wasnt for my pesky need to get some shut eye, motherhood would be a breeze!

So I think...hope...pray...my little sleep thief is falling asleep. Took a good hour of shoogling him round the room! Please please stay asleep little man. But..he's snuffling away on me like a little piglet and is so cute that he's squishing my heart ..