New SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK thread - are we still here?

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Another thread. My didn't we get full quickly! night sleeping good. Naps...not even 5 mins so far today...

i know. life seems just that little bit rosier whne you've had some sleep. just wishe we could be guaranteed it'll stay this way

Mae, sorry to loose you but good luck on your new found sleepyness.

Mixed night really. Minor set back too but don't feel too bad about it. Settled ok but woke at 12 and was inconsolable after her feed. Took until about 2 to get her back to sleep and that was in with us despite our best efforts at keeping her in her own cot. She did two dirty nappies and just wouldn't lay down, even in my arms so not sure what was wrong. Have thought she might have another tooth coming through so that, red cheeks, dribble for England, nawing, not eating and upset tummy might account for it. I let her off for being so distressed as she's not normally like that. DH and I did argue about who should comfort her tho. I shouted that she wanted me and he said he could do it, we were almost wrestling. Can laugh about it now but considered divorce and an orphanage last night!!! I've got memories of DH standing there in just a tshirt shouting. Now I think if you're gonna argue you should keep your pants on shouldn't you? I couldn't take him seriously

morning all lovely ladies
cruise - you are doing a fantastic job and now your little man can self settle, it will stand him in good stead. we have to expect blips and that we cant be mary poppins every hour of every day.
mae
lilysma - brill news, have you been on the gradual withdrawal thread recently? cant remember what stage you're on
ginger - poor dd, hope she feels better soon. what is with all that pooing? our night regressed after the fabbo one the night before too, poor dd full of cold, we're talking snot, runny eyes the works. am sure there may be some teeth working thru too as her gums have definitely changed so after she settled herself to sleep she was very restless and i brought her downstairs for cuddles til i went to bed. dp took over cuddling when he joined us
morning tam, amber and all you other sleepless mums out there

gradual retreat

gradual withdrawal millpond method

i feel like a a dealer, pushing the gradual withdrawal on you
jabberwocky, this is what gr/gw is all about

evening all.have started on the white wine already as ds is in a particularly whiney mood tonight arrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh
anyhoo.....pmsl ginger. dh also sleeps in just a t-shirt and can never take hime seriously with k**b hanging out!
hoping good nights for us all x

Just got dd down so getting my MN fix!

Tibsy we are at the holding hands stage so far, but tonight I managed just putting my hand on her tummy and shshing. The only thing is she was v sleepy after bf so I never know how 'awake' she is, even though her eyes are open and she looks around for me. We'll see what the rest of the night brings....

Tamdin: LOL at forgetting to big me up

I see there's lots of progress here - well done! DS still a bit up and down (2nd tooth through). Also we had a bad night las night, entirely our fault, we went to see some friends and didn't get back (public transport nightmares) till about 10pm by which time DS was far too tired to settle properly. Hopefully he'll get a good night in tonight.

Best sleepy vibes to all non-sleeping babies. I'm watching the West Wing with DH so better go!

things awful. feel desperate. cant cope. shattered. fuck this

btw - he has 'unlearned' settling himself. end of tether. need a break.

cruise i'm sure it's just a phase. maybe he's having the usual growth spurt/teeth saga which seems to always disrupt things no matter what routine you've been in. Have read on cc threads that all sorts of things holiday/travelling/visitors/illness can put you back to starting again which is one of the reasons i couldn't do it. if i thought it was a once only fix it technique i might be able to make myself try it but the idea of having to do it at numerous times/stages is too much for a wuss like me. so sorry you're fed up today but i'm sure he'll do it again when he's feeling better. big hug X

Cruise, so sorry . I guess I jinxed you by saying he couldn't unlearn it . I'm sure he hasn't though. Isn't it the case that sometimes the 'behaviour' recurrs to test the rules? I really hope you get it sorted v soon. Can dh give you a night off?

BTW my night mixed. 4.5 hour stretch 7.30-12, which is excellent, but I only slept for a bit of it, then up crying at 3, settled for an hour and finally I gave in and bf at 4.30 and again at 6.30. DH scooped her up aty 7.30 and gave me an extra hour in bed . She genuinely seems to be hungry at 3-4ish every night - part of the problem is that she doesn't take much when I feed her at 10ish (midnight last night). Not sure whether to risk waking her up more for this feed....hmmm....

hello
can a lurker join your thread?
I have DS1 - 5 years - who has always been dreadful sleeper (is OK now but gets up around 5.45)

DS2 - 14 weeks is proving to be equally horrendous, he catnaps in the day and is up every 2 hours at night, not hungry every time, just awake. Last night was every hour and then from 2am it took me until 4.30 to get him to sleep and he still woke at 5.30. Am knackered.

oh and yesterday some irritating woman in the park told me her 2 kids sleep really well and she said she thought it was because she'd "always been quite strict with them". God I had to bite my tongue and not shout - IT'S got bugger all to do with that love, you're just lucky!

welcome katie rocket. for your night you must be knackered. your ds2 sounds exactly like my ds. at that age he also woke every 2 hours and cat napped during the day. he's 15 months now and most nights wakes once or twice for milk. Remember so clearly those 2 hourly wakings so you have my sympathies. i'm sure some of teh rest of SIFTW isiters will be around shorlty to welcome you and offer support/advice. have you read tibsy's gradual retreat info on here? It might work for you? BBL x

Meh - jinxed myself, could be teeth I spose, red cheeks and snotty nose. Welcome Katie but sorry you find yourself here.

Katie: DS (6 months) still has periods of waking every 2 hours when there's a problem (teething at the moment) but has gradually been getting better. Sorting naps out has made a difference for us. When and how does your LO nap?

for your bad night Cruise - cd it be teeth? Have also noticed that DS regularly has a few unsettled nights before my period begins (sorry if TMI). Might this be a factor?

Haven't got time to read all the posts but Cruise my DD has been pretty bad the last couple of nights but i think she's got another tooth, could your DS be teething? Makes them a nightmare. It will get better again. Don't give up hope

morning all and welcome katierocket. you feel the need tho and at the woman in the park. very helpful i dont think.
swizzler, thats interesting you say that, i generally get cranky before a period, so am going to look out for that when i feel one coming on. forewarned is forearmed!
cruise - i 2nd everything tam says. just hang in there, we're all here for you to vent your spleen, and this time next week, you'll be feeling completely different i'm sure.
lilysma, for your longer stretch.
to tam and all you other lovely ladies and hoping for a restful day for you all x

but if it is teeth (he hasnt got any yet btw), do i give in and bf to sleep? do i do shh/pat? so stressed. He rolls onto tummy, wedges himself against cot bars and screamds

Katie, sorry you're so knackered. Some random woman in the street once told me that I shouldn't feed DD in the night but just offer water.(She had asked me if she slept) She also said I should put her on 'proper' milk rather than bf! Does irritate me that people feel its their right to give you advice without being asked for it.

No settling DD again last night so into bed with me and she slept until 6 with a shushing and nappy at 5. She played until 7 and then slept until 8. The no feeding at night has been so much easier than I thought. We haven't had a single tear in the night. If she'd wanted it I would have given but she's obviously not bothered so I do feel like that's progress even if she hasn't settled for a couple of nights.

Cruise, if I think it's teeth, as I did last night I'd offer a compromise that you're happy with. I don't think it will lead you into bad habits. I took DD into bed and we all got some sleep. I think if they're happy they'll sleep and you won't need to intervene a great deal (if they know how to do it which he does now.)

how do you not offer boob in the night ginger? ds was not botherig to wake before which is why it was not a problem. now that he wakes again i don't know what to do. everyone keeps telling em that their lo settled better once they stopped bf. (not as a result of higher calories in ff but the comfort aspect of it). just so confused and worried

Ah thanks for making me feel so welcome, it's so great to have people who understand. i haven't had chance to properly read the whole thread but I will this evening (if not asleep!). I'll definitely have a look at tibsy's gradual retreat info and Swizzler - I agree that good naps make all the difference, in fact I think that's a large part of the problem. In teh day he'll only sleep in pram or my arms and he wakes up after 20-30mins. I've tried putting him down different ways indifferent place but he always wakes up - very frustrating.

HOw did you sort your LO's naps out?