New SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK thread - are we still here?

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Another thread. My didn't we get full quickly! night sleeping good. Naps...not even 5 mins so far today...

thanks ratfly, its been a long while coming, but makes it all the more sweeter keep expecting my bubble to burst tho....
cruise, mean to say, i had a night like that not so long ago, ended up getting v cross cos dd wouldnt settle and i was trying to help ds with revision. ended up bringing her downstairs and plonking her rather roughly on dps lap growling 'you take over' it is frustrating, but is is just a blip

wanted to ask everyones opinion. when dd fell asleep last night, she was on her tummy. uhmmed and ahhed over what to do, i know what the recommendation is. i didnt want to disturb her, but she does have a cold as well and just didnt want to risk it. asked dp too and he said 'roll her over' so i did. would everyone else have done the same? or do you think theyre ok on tummys if they can roll over themselves?

hi booby, poor lo

Tibsy: fantastic night! Well done you and your LO!

cj sleeps on her side all the time and we find her face up and face down all the time at least when they can do it themselves i dont think it matters too much but it is how comfy you feel

well she is 9 mo next week and has only slept 10 hrs solid once but she now sleeps from abput 8 30 til 3 ish then quick feed and back off and her routine is solid now

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh just posted long thread commenting on everyone's night and the bloody computer froze and lost it.
tibsy
cruise stay positive it'll just have been a litle blip i'm sure tonight will be back to normal.
welcome mij
ds had good night. up once at 3 for milk.
can't remember anymore.
Morning ginger, swizz, amber, mae, booby, hannah and ratfly. hope i haven't missed anyone out x

morning tam and for your good night
thanks swizz
booby, thanks and that sounds like a good routine to me. i've been after one like that for months.

sorry forgot tibs in my original(lost)post i'd said ds from 4 or 5 months slept on his front or side. (before that he slept mostly on me )so i wouldn't worry too much but maybe just check on her more often. the older ds gets the more weird positions i find him asleep in!

Morning ladies!

Cruisemum - hope your day gets better

Ratfly - sounds like a good night, lucky you!

Tibsy - am very jealous! Great success for you. My dd always sleeps on her side now but as she can roll I don't worry too much. I put her down on her back and she just makes herself comfortable. Short of supergluing her the right way up in her cot there's not a lot more we can do is there?

Booby - we had a very similar night last night so you get my complete sympathies. Hope you have a much better one tonight.

Bad night here - bed at 7pm up at 7:45pm for a few screamy teethy hours of torture. Finally went down again at midnight but woke every hour or so. Dragged her out of bed at 7am this morning for baby sign but didn't make it there in the end anyway. Am now frustrated and v tired!

Have just sat down to try to catch up. After one good night on Tuesday ds2 has been even worse than usual. Up for 2 - 3 hours from around 1 to 4 two nights in a row. I'm totally exhausted but am going to try to read all posts and write something more relevant soon

Cruise, if we get nights like that I just get her back up and start again later. Saves my sanity. It's only happened three times so far, once last night (more later) Hope you're feeling better. My DH can be so irritating because he's no idea what sleep deprivation is like and gets really cross when I shout. I shouted at him last night that I should get his support not criticism. What if I'd got PND? he can be a W@nker sometimes (although lovely most)

Tibsy that is absolutely bloody fantastic, she's getting there isn't she? I'd probably have ummed and arhed about the tummy sleeping but I think it's fine if they can get there on there own. DD has slept on her side for ages and on the sheepskin which is probably a real no no.

booby you find yourself back, if it makes you feel any better I haven't gone anywhere!!

Right our night....Well, DD settled at 7ish, no hands, but was a bit unsettled. I was just getting in the bath at 10 when she started screaming and screaming. Anyway, to cut a long story short we had another poo incident. Wouldn't settle so DH got her up and sat watching telly with her while I bathed. She had another poo! Then went to put her to bed at 11 and she pooed again!!finally settling at about 11.45 ish but didn't wake until 5. I fed her because she was ravenous after all that pooing and she slept until 7.15. I'm not sure what all the pooing is about she did swallow some water at the pool on MOnday but she'd also reacted to the formula then again she may have eaten something that disagreed with her. Anyway, I'm hoping for a good night.

Must dash, she's hardly slept today due to my shleping her around London. How hard is it to take a baby on the sodding trains/tubes? We're both knackered so speak later.

thanks ginger and others . your night sounds hectic ginge, hope tonight is better. ds didn't sleep much today eitehr. actually, he had 1.75hr nap this morning, 30mins around 1 and that was it until he conked out at the boob at 6:45pm. i really hope he sleeps well. i hate it when he cries and I feel like the biggest bitch on the planet when i get peed off about it. what sort of a mother am i if i cannot tolerate my beautiful baby boy crying? he doesn't mean it ffs! got really angry with myself today. i pray he does not wake in the night as i torture myself with what to do about it. shh/pat or cuddle or bf or what?! hoping for a quiet night for all us ladies.

Cruise, you'll do what feels right at the time. Don't beat yourself up about it. You'll get there in the end. He can do it and he will again, there was obviously something unsettling him. I got really pissed off with DD this morning and told her to shut up and felt terrible afterwards. Luckily she thought it was funny but whenever I'm trying to get out in a hurry she whines and moans and it drives my blood pressure through the roof. We also had 'words' last night. DH thought I was the most evil witch on the planet but the frustration with lack of sleep (or potential lack of sleep) is nothing anyone else can understand. Even other mums don't have a clue if they're lucky enough to have sleepers.

Hello ladies. Well y'all do generate a lot of mails and haven't managed to read them all, but thought I'd give you an update from here. Have been doing GW and it seems to be helping . Am worried that I'll jinx it by saying this, but there we go! Last night she went back to sleep with minimal soothing between 10 and 2, which is much longer than usual (in my bed, but you can't expect miracles!) Then it took an hour to soothe her back to sleep (holding hands) from 2-3 but NO FEEDING! I finally gave in and fed her at 5 because I know if she doesn't settle quickly then she's up for the day and then I feel like shit all day (as happened yesterday). Not sure what to do about that one...Anyway, this is an improvement on waking every 2 hours and being fed back to sleep so I'm hoping for further improvements as we go along. Not really sure when or how to move on to the next step tho.

Cruise, hope your ds settles down again. I was v pleased to hear about your success with cc.

Hannah, so sorry things are so rough - I do know how it feels and hope that soon I'll be able to encourage you that it does get better!

Tibsy, glad it is going so well. You have been my inspiration to keep going with GW!

hi ginger/lilysma - well ds went to sleep at 6:45 but wok again screaming 7:45. after an attempt at cc i gave up. it wasn't gonna work and as i put him back in his cot after acuddle to sooth him he clung to me for dear life! i felt so bad. have i made him lose faith in me . love him so much i don't want to damage our trust. gotta go, dd wants to play scrabble!
in short, i bf him, put him in cot awake and he went of like a dream. bless his beautiful heart

cruise

cruise i think you did what felt right and that can only ever be a good thing. he obviously needed bf tonight and it still worked for you so there is no loser. enjoy your scrabble and big hug for you all x

cruisemum, I am in the same place as you right now. I got really frustrated last night and dh now thinks I'm some sort of psychomummy for muttering various curse words as I was trying to get ds2 back down again. It seemed especially hard these last two nights as I got that sweet taste of normalcy on Tuesday night and felt sooooo good on Wednesday.

Sorry to be a thick newbie but what is GW? And can someone briefly walk me thru controlled comforting? Is it the NCSS style? I wish I still had my book. After ds1 we honestly had thought we would not have another - as dh was reminding me last night...

jabber i think GW is gradual retreat or withdrwal which is a technique that tibsy and a few others are trying. don't know enough about cc.amijee and cruise have tried it
HTH

Blimey, there have been some extreme nights going on ladies.

Cruise, not being able to tolerate crying sometimes when you're knackered makes you human! But that guilty feeling is a killer, isn't it? I swotted DDs hands away really quite hard because I was sleep deprived and she's exceptionally annoying when trying to do nappy changes these days (twists, screams and crawls off... repeatedly) and I felt dreadful.

Ginger, didn't you just have a 'technically speaking' sleeping through there?! Hooray!

For those getting to the end of their tether, I don't know if this will help or not but when we were having truly awful nights (instead of just regularly awful ones , I stopped looking at the clock at wake-ups, and also gave myself a week off trying to do any kind of programme or training. Obviously it didn't help the sleep but it took the pressure off, and if I didn't know how many wake-ups there were I couldn't get depressed about it!

Last night average - one wake-up in the evening then four during the night. Just cutting straight to bfing back to sleep (we co-sleep) until DP finishes reading NCSS, when we can make a new plan. Napped with DD today and felt much better by lunchtime.

Sweet dreams everyone

morning all. good night here. ds went to bed at 7.30 up at 2 for bottle (came in with us about 3.30? because he was roaming around his cot)then up at 7 for day.
must be feeling ok because i'm contemplating the gym at 10 o'clock!
pavlov if you're out there i gave you a mention on the 'which mumsnetters are on your wavelength' thread so that'll teach you for being lazy! though to be fair i was one of the first posters so you prob skipped over it. I did wake up in the middle of the night thinking OH I FORGOT TO BIG UP SWIZZLER!!! was very tempted to get up and rectify the mistake but then caught myself on so sorry swizz you know i love you

Morning all!

Mij, there certainly are some light at the end of the tunnel nights going on out there!

Cruise, I'm sure going with your instincts is right - you have taught him how to sleep on his own and he won't unlearn it now.

Another night, another dilema here! Managed not to feed her again until 5.15, which involved an hour between 3.30 and 4.30 of shing but not much crying and several much easier soothing bouts in between. She's still waking up tho so I guess will have to go to the 'next stage'. Scary stuff. But at 5.40 after her feed she was wide awake although grouchy and didn't finally go back to sleep (for half an hour) until 7ish. This has happened before and not sure what to do about it but i find i always feel particularly shit on days when I'm up before 6

Still, i guess it's all progress

chin up lilysma it does sound like progress even though it may not feel like it. before 6 is always a killer. x

Well, we have had 5 good nights on the trot (one early morning wake for bf then back to sleep) so I may have to temporarily resign my membership of SIFTW. Only temporarily mind, as we know these babies like to keep us on our toes. Had a huge amount of napping going on yesterday. Morning nap 90 mins and then 2 hrs after lunch - WOW!

Love, support and sleepy vibes to all of you.

for maewest. ds also had 3 hour nap yesteday and a good night so maybe sleep=sleep is true after all.

Glad things are going well for you too Tamdin . I feel so much more rational about things, so hard to see your way out of the fog of sleep deprivation when you're in it.